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Post by 725DYE on Dec 17, 2018 19:48:38 GMT
Every sumpathy for the person involved. Thats the problem with SWR. Once something goes wrong it takes them a day to recover. It’s a shocking service, absolutely no upside from South West Trains tenure. In fairness with all four lines through Berrylands closed for hours they were never going to be able to recover today. Sadly there is very little that can be done to prevent such incidents. Totally agree. Alongside this, even after the police investigations have completed there will be numerous trains all in the wrong place and trains which are still very late, meaning that their return journeys will be late too. Considering that SWR has such a vast network and hundreds of trains, I don't think they do such a bad job at recovering after such a major disruption
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Post by paulo on Dec 17, 2018 20:07:45 GMT
In fairness with all four lines through Berrylands closed for hours they were never going to be able to recover today. Sadly there is very little that can be done to prevent such incidents. Totally agree. Alongside this, even after the police investigations have completed there will be numerous trains all in the wrong place and trains which are still very late, meaning that their return journeys will be late too. Considering that SWR has such a vast network and hundreds of trains, I don't think they do such a bad job at recovering after such a major disruption Have to disagree. Today’s events shouldn’t affect the Windsor and reading lines but it well and truly did
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Post by MoEnviro on Dec 17, 2018 20:33:07 GMT
Totally agree. Alongside this, even after the police investigations have completed there will be numerous trains all in the wrong place and trains which are still very late, meaning that their return journeys will be late too. Considering that SWR has such a vast network and hundreds of trains, I don't think they do such a bad job at recovering after such a major disruption Have to disagree. Today’s events shouldn’t affect the Windsor and reading lines but it well and truly did SWR service recovery has never been great, this could be down to complex interworking of trains/drivers/guards
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Post by thewintersoldier on Dec 18, 2018 7:17:39 GMT
No decent recovery plan. Crews not signing diversionary routes . Full crew working detriment to the service. No initiative taken by those with control to make a decision as scared of the backlash if it goes wrong.
I can continue but would get myself into trouble
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 19, 2018 13:34:52 GMT
Considering that SWR has such a vast network and hundreds of trains, I don't think they do such a bad job at recovering after such a major disruption SWR are very poor at any sort of service recovery. As it stands at the moment, I cannot ever trust them if I left a normal amount of time, so I leave for work every day way earlier than is needed.
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Post by YY13VKP on Dec 19, 2018 15:20:38 GMT
Considering that SWR has such a vast network and hundreds of trains, I don't think they do such a bad job at recovering after such a major disruption SWR are very poor at any sort of service recovery. As it stands at the moment, I cannot ever trust them if I left a normal amount of time, so I leave for work every day way earlier than is needed. Think SWR are poor? You should try TransPennine Express and Northern, they're the worst I've travelled with by far! I've only been on one TransPennine Express train that has been on time. When heading back from London once we left Leeds on time, but arrived into Huddersfield 13 minutes late and we barely stopped, think we were following a stopper into Dewsbury though. Northern aren't much better, my train from Manchester Oxford Road to Piccadilly the other day had been delayed by 30 minutes. Its a shame that TransPennine Express have really good rolling stock in the Class 185's (since their refurbishment they are absolutely immaculate onboard) but have terrible punctuality, I believe their general punctuality is worse than that of SWR's.
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Post by TA1 on Dec 19, 2018 15:57:07 GMT
SWR are very poor at any sort of service recovery. As it stands at the moment, I cannot ever trust them if I left a normal amount of time, so I leave for work every day way earlier than is needed. Think SWR are poor? You should try TransPennine Express and Northern, they're the worst I've travelled with by far! I've only been on one TransPennine Express train that has been on time. When heading back from London once we left Leeds on time, but arrived into Huddersfield 13 minutes late and we barely stopped, think we were following a stopper into Dewsbury though. Northern aren't much better, my train from Manchester Oxford Road to Piccadilly the other day had been delayed by 30 minutes. Its a shame that TransPennine Express have really good rolling stock in the Class 185's (since their refurbishment they are absolutely immaculate onboard) but have terrible punctuality, I believe their general punctuality is worse than that of SWR's. Your service following the stopper wont be down to TPE, but the signallers who are employed by NR. Also if your train has failed PPM at not fault of the TOC & lets say NR are footing the delay minutes, i hardly see much attempts for better regulation. Although skip stopping is a frequent occurence to get crews and stock back in the correct position.
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Post by sid on Dec 20, 2018 5:29:40 GMT
SWR are very poor at any sort of service recovery. As it stands at the moment, I cannot ever trust them if I left a normal amount of time, so I leave for work every day way earlier than is needed. Think SWR are poor? You should try TransPennine Express and Northern, they're the worst I've travelled with by far! I've only been on one TransPennine Express train that has been on time. When heading back from London once we left Leeds on time, but arrived into Huddersfield 13 minutes late and we barely stopped, think we were following a stopper into Dewsbury though. Northern aren't much better, my train from Manchester Oxford Road to Piccadilly the other day had been delayed by 30 minutes. Its a shame that TransPennine Express have really good rolling stock in the Class 185's (since their refurbishment they are absolutely immaculate onboard) but have terrible punctuality, I believe their general punctuality is worse than that of SWR's. I agree about TPE, as you say the rolling stock is fine and some new stock is coming next year but the service itself leaves a lot to be desired. I spoke to a guard about it last time I used the service and he said some delays are out of their control, conflicting movements across flat junctions etc, but most of it is down to the mismanagement of 'Worst Group' and a lot of people have stopped using the service particularly air travellers who can't rely on the service to Manchester Airport.
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Post by YY13VKP on Dec 20, 2018 8:58:51 GMT
Think SWR are poor? You should try TransPennine Express and Northern, they're the worst I've travelled with by far! I've only been on one TransPennine Express train that has been on time. When heading back from London once we left Leeds on time, but arrived into Huddersfield 13 minutes late and we barely stopped, think we were following a stopper into Dewsbury though. Northern aren't much better, my train from Manchester Oxford Road to Piccadilly the other day had been delayed by 30 minutes. Its a shame that TransPennine Express have really good rolling stock in the Class 185's (since their refurbishment they are absolutely immaculate onboard) but have terrible punctuality, I believe their general punctuality is worse than that of SWR's. I agree about TPE, as you say the rolling stock is fine and some new stock is coming next year but the service itself leaves a lot to be desired. I spoke to a guard about it last time I used the service and he said some delays are out of their control, conflicting movements across flat junctions etc, but most of it is down to the mismanagement of 'Worst Group' and a lot of people have stopped using the service particularly air travellers who can't rely on the service to Manchester Airport. The Manchester Airport services are a complete nightmare. Every single train only has 3 carriages and it’s absolutely packed, I had to get one of those trains last week in order to get to Manchester Oxford Road (to change so I could get a 319 to Piccadilly). Hopefully these will be lengthened when the new stock arrives, however I think the 185’s are more suited than the new Nova fleet.
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 21, 2018 10:45:20 GMT
Hmm... SWR, TPE, GWR (who I spent 10 hours with trying to get to London from Truro the summer just gone because of a chronic lack of staff)...what do these three TOCs have in common?... 🤔
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Post by thewintersoldier on Dec 22, 2018 22:27:23 GMT
Hmm... SWR, TPE, GWR (who I spent 10 hours with trying to get to London from Truro the summer just gone because of a chronic lack of staff)...what do these three TOCs have in common?... 🤔 Do I get the first guess?
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 23, 2018 12:05:56 GMT
Hmm... SWR, TPE, GWR (who I spent 10 hours with trying to get to London from Truro the summer just gone because of a chronic lack of staff)...what do these three TOCs have in common?... 🤔 Do I get the first guess? Behave yourself 😛
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Post by T.R. on Feb 18, 2019 17:31:39 GMT
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Post by thewintersoldier on Mar 8, 2019 19:35:05 GMT
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 13, 2019 20:51:39 GMT
What train class forms the 07:43 from Putney to Clapham Junction?
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