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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 19:49:35 GMT
Are the 11 reg SEs on the 100 allowed in ULEZ? Saw SE91 running empty across London Bridge yesterday evening and thought it odd. But if so, why? I assumed that the 14 regs were somewhat exempt. Then again, the 214 uses 11 reg DEs. Out of service Euro 6 TfL buses are fine in the ULEZ and yes the 100 is exempt.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 26, 2019 20:08:15 GMT
Are the 11 reg SEs on the 100 allowed in ULEZ? Saw SE91 running empty across London Bridge yesterday evening and thought it odd. But if so, why? I assumed that the 14 regs were somewhat exempt. Then again, the 214 uses 11 reg DEs. Maybe the whole 100 route is exempt as it is getting electrics very soon The 100, 214, C10, and P5 are all exempt for the ULEZ until they get electric buses in the near future
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Post by londonbusboy on Jun 26, 2019 20:52:11 GMT
Rode MBK1 on the 227 instead of the streetlites, as much as i loved the 227 citaros, MBK1 is on another level of devastating acceleration. Much quicker than any bus on road or i've ever been on. Have they been suped up or? More power than stated under the bonnet? It is a rocket, pretty sure it has the same engine as the 12m version
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 5:46:36 GMT
Rode MBK1 on the 227 instead of the streetlites, as much as i loved the 227 citaros, MBK1 is on another level of devastating acceleration. Much quicker than any bus on road or i've ever been on. Have they been suped up or? More power than stated under the bonnet? It is a rocket, pretty sure it has the same engine as the 12m version I know it isnt 12m but how long is it?
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Post by snowman on Jun 27, 2019 6:04:09 GMT
It is a rocket, pretty sure it has the same engine as the 12m version I know it isnt 12m but how long is it? 10.633m Has same OM936 engine as 12.135m version max power is 220KW or 295bhp
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Post by M1104 on Jun 27, 2019 9:11:42 GMT
Rode MBK1 on the 227 instead of the streetlites, as much as i loved the 227 citaros, MBK1 is on another level of devastating acceleration. Much quicker than any bus on road or i've ever been on. Have they been suped up or? More power than stated under the bonnet? Same power but as the bus is shorter (and hence less overall weight) it's acceleration's more effective.
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Post by portman227 on Jun 27, 2019 10:16:13 GMT
Rode MBK1 on the 227 instead of the streetlites, as much as i loved the 227 citaros, MBK1 is on another level of devastating acceleration. Much quicker than any bus on road or i've ever been on. Have they been suped up or? More power than stated under the bonnet? It is a rocket, pretty sure it has the same engine as the 12m version It flies everywhere, extremely fast and quicker than its big brother, the weight must have something to do with it. maybe this is one of the reasons TFL banned citaros in london other than emmision
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Post by portman227 on Jun 27, 2019 10:18:27 GMT
Rode MBK1 on the 227 instead of the streetlites, as much as i loved the 227 citaros, MBK1 is on another level of devastating acceleration. Much quicker than any bus on road or i've ever been on. Have they been suped up or? More power than stated under the bonnet? Same power but as the bus is shorter (and hence less overall weight) it's acceleration's more effective. Can't think of any bus that can outpace that vehicle in a straight. Wonderful bus and its weight definitely plays a role. Weighs just under 10500kg i believe
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 10:50:59 GMT
It is a rocket, pretty sure it has the same engine as the 12m version It flies everywhere, extremely fast and quicker than its big brother, the weight must have something to do with it. maybe this is one of the reasons TFL banned citaros in london other than emmision TfL haven't banned Citaros, they just insist on the stop/start feature and Mercedes don't currently offer that.
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Post by portman227 on Jun 27, 2019 10:56:42 GMT
It flies everywhere, extremely fast and quicker than its big brother, the weight must have something to do with it. maybe this is one of the reasons TFL banned citaros in london other than emmision TfL haven't banned Citaros, they just insist on the stop/start feature and Mercedes don't currently offer that. Even if they installed stop start system, i heard the problem also lies in emission, even with Euro 6 engines. Can't confirm the accuracy from there. If the problem was only stop start, this would have been rectified and the 227 would probably be operating with Mercs and not Streetlites. Same for 293
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Post by vjaska on Jun 27, 2019 11:59:06 GMT
TfL haven't banned Citaros, they just insist on the stop/start feature and Mercedes don't currently offer that. Even if they installed stop start system, i heard the problem also lies in emission, even with Euro 6 engines. Can't confirm the accuracy from there. If the problem was only stop start, this would have been rectified and the 227 would probably be operating with Mercs and not Streetlites. Same for 293 It wouldn't of been rectified because Mercedes don't fit stop start to their buses so you would still of ended up with Streetlites - TfL moved the goalposts with their draconian rules. You mention the 293 - I don't think RATP would of ordered Citaros in any event personally.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 12:49:19 GMT
Even if they installed stop start system, i heard the problem also lies in emission, even with Euro 6 engines. Can't confirm the accuracy from there. If the problem was only stop start, this would have been rectified and the 227 would probably be operating with Mercs and not Streetlites. Same for 293 It wouldn't of been rectified because Mercedes don't fit stop start to their buses so you would still of ended up with Streetlites - TfL moved the goalposts with their draconian rules. You mention the 293 - I don't think RATP would of ordered Citaros in any event personally. I don't see anything draconian about stop/start, other bus manufacturers have incorporated it and so have Mercedes-Benz in their cars. I'm doubtful whether Citaros would have been ordered anyway, they're pretty few and far between in the UK and their reliability is questionable.
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Post by snowman on Jun 27, 2019 12:55:37 GMT
Even if they installed stop start system, i heard the problem also lies in emission, even with Euro 6 engines. Can't confirm the accuracy from there. If the problem was only stop start, this would have been rectified and the 227 would probably be operating with Mercs and not Streetlites. Same for 293 It wouldn't of been rectified because Mercedes don't fit stop start to their buses so you would still of ended up with Streetlites - TfL moved the goalposts with their draconian rules. You mention the 293 - I don't think RATP would of ordered Citaros in any event personally. I think there are some urban myths going on The Citaro has Voith DIWA 6 gearboxes, these have the option of stop-start Voith DIWA start-stop linkThere is also optional ZF ecolife 6speed gearbox ZF Ecolife link and 6 AP 1600 BS variant has start-stop The Citaro, Citaro K and Citaro G specs are here, vast number of options, more than TfL have ever dreamt up, but old fashioned roller destination blinds are not an option Link to Citaro (right hand drive) specs
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Post by John tuthill on Jun 27, 2019 12:57:57 GMT
It flies everywhere, extremely fast and quicker than its big brother, the weight must have something to do with it. maybe this is one of the reasons TFL banned citaros in london other than emmision TfL haven't banned Citaros, they just insist on the stop/start feature and Mercedes don't currently offer that. Does anyone know what effect the 'stop/start' facility has on the battery? Are there 'heavy duty' types used sppecifically for this type of operation?
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Post by vjaska on Jun 27, 2019 13:22:16 GMT
It wouldn't of been rectified because Mercedes don't fit stop start to their buses so you would still of ended up with Streetlites - TfL moved the goalposts with their draconian rules. You mention the 293 - I don't think RATP would of ordered Citaros in any event personally. I don't see anything draconian about stop/start, other bus manufacturers have incorporated it and so have Mercedes-Benz in their cars. I'm doubtful whether Citaros would have been ordered anyway, they're pretty few and far between in the UK and their reliability is questionable. A few things: I didn't say stop start was draconian - I said TfL's rules and moving the goalposts was which is two completely different things There are plenty of Citaros in the UK - they're not as numerous as Enviros or Streetlites buts it's more than just 'few & far between' Their reliability isn't questionable just because the 227's batch had some issues.
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