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Post by ServerKing on Aug 18, 2019 18:17:08 GMT
The first See from the 214's batch on the 153. It is SEe 81. I guess they will intermix in time
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Post by george on Aug 18, 2019 18:26:48 GMT
The first See from the 214's batch on the 153. It is SEe 81. I guess they will intermix in time but the 153 batch can't go on the 214?
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Post by rj131 on Aug 18, 2019 19:11:02 GMT
I guess they will intermix in time but the 153 batch can't go on the 214? Nope, the 10.9 SEe’s are too long for the 214.
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Post by george on Aug 18, 2019 19:14:09 GMT
but the 153 batch can't go on the 214? Nope, the 10.9 SEe’s are too long for the 214. thought that was the case but thanks for confirming.
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Post by rj131 on Aug 18, 2019 19:47:35 GMT
Nope, the 10.9 SEe’s are too long for the 214. thought that was the case but thanks for confirming. Hopefully someone can confirm this properly or clear up the finer details. I believe the original plan was to order 10.9s like the 360 and 153, provided that some work at Highgate was done to accommodate these longer vehicles (work on a roundabout I think?). Because of TfL’s famously limited funds, this was cancelled so it meant longer buses could no longer be used. A great shame as I’m sure the capacity boost would have come very very helpful on this very overcrowded route. The drop of 4 seats compared to Metroline’s old vehicles is probably also very unwelcome. I can imagine this particular batch of SEes becoming more like ‘cattle transporters’ in the rush hour with the increased standing space, as the 507/521 vehicles have been previously addressed as. Also does the fact that these buses are electric take away interior space that you would otherwise have in a conventional diesel? That would make it even worse on a route which constantly has loads packed to the windows.
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Post by george on Aug 18, 2019 20:09:29 GMT
thought that was the case but thanks for confirming. Hopefully someone can confirm this properly or clear up the finer details. I believe the original plan was to order 10.9s like the 360 and 153, provided that some work at Highgate was done to accommodate these longer vehicles (work on a roundabout I think?). Because of TfL’s famously limited funds, this was cancelled so it meant longer buses could no longer be used. A great shame as I’m sure the capacity boost would have come very very helpful on this very overcrowded route. The drop of 4 seats compared to Metroline’s old vehicles is probably also very unwelcome. I can imagine this particular batch of SEes becoming more like ‘cattle transporters’ in the rush hour with the increased standing space, as the 507/521 vehicles have been previously addressed as. Also does the fact that these buses are electric take away interior space that you would otherwise have in a conventional diesel? That would make it even worse on a route which constantly has loads packed to the windows. Thankfully the right buses have got ordered unlike what we have seen recently with the 170 and 393.
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 18, 2019 21:22:27 GMT
Nope, the 10.9 SEe’s are too long for the 214. thought that was the case but thanks for confirming. Oh, I SEe
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Post by rif153 on Aug 18, 2019 21:52:31 GMT
Does the 214 use 10.5m examples then?
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Post by redexpress on Aug 18, 2019 21:57:52 GMT
thought that was the case but thanks for confirming. Hopefully someone can confirm this properly or clear up the finer details. I believe the original plan was to order 10.9s like the 360 and 153, provided that some work at Highgate was done to accommodate these longer vehicles (work on a roundabout I think?). Because of TfL’s famously limited funds, this was cancelled so it meant longer buses could no longer be used. A great shame as I’m sure the capacity boost would have come very very helpful on this very overcrowded route. The drop of 4 seats compared to Metroline’s old vehicles is probably also very unwelcome. I can imagine this particular batch of SEes becoming more like ‘cattle transporters’ in the rush hour with the increased standing space, as the 507/521 vehicles have been previously addressed as. Also does the fact that these buses are electric take away interior space that you would otherwise have in a conventional diesel? That would make it even worse on a route which constantly has loads packed to the windows. That's right, there was a plan to alter the road layout at Highgate, including work on the roundabout to enable longer buses to turn. This would also have included a bigger stand which would have accommodated both 214 and 271, allowing the cramped South Grove stand to be taken out of use. Predictably this ran into opposition from locals (in Highgate they will object against absolutely any proposed change, no matter what it is). TfL took ages to decide what to do, then eventually announced that they would ignore the protests and go ahead with the work... only to then realise that they had no money left, so the plan was cancelled.
So the 214 is stuck with 10.2m buses. I suspect a 10.9m bus could be used if they really needed to; it would probably have to run to the North Hill / Archway Road junction to turn.
I'm pretty sure the E200EVs have the same amount of interior space as the equivalent diesels. The batteries are all up on the roof. Electric DDs are another matter as you can't put the batteries on the roof.
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Post by redexpress on Aug 18, 2019 22:00:40 GMT
Is the 405 allocated 2 WHVs or were they given to the 127 and 2x 06 reg E400s given to the 405 instead? I remember the 405 being awarded with 2 new WHVs but seem to recall they were taken off it. Weren't WHV42-44 transferred out? Having said the the 119 (14) and 202 (15) have a combined pvr of 29, TVR 33 ... so with 36 WHVs allocated to C, yes seems 2/3 are allocated to other routes at C At least two of the WHVs that transferred out were released by a PVR reduction on the 119. PVR was originally 16. Not sure if the third bus to be transferred out was pinched from the 405?
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Post by rj131 on Aug 18, 2019 22:11:50 GMT
Does the 214 use 10.5m examples then? No 10.2, 10.5’s aren’t available with a BYD electric chassis
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Post by richard on Aug 19, 2019 0:35:27 GMT
thought that was the case but thanks for confirming. Oh, I SEe In the words of Basil Brush BOOM BOOM!
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 19, 2019 6:07:32 GMT
Oh, I SEe In the words of Basil Brush BOOM BOOM! Hopefully no BOOM BOOM unless there's an underlying issue with the batteries no one is aware of
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Post by TP1 on Aug 19, 2019 9:48:36 GMT
Hopefully someone can confirm this properly or clear up the finer details. I believe the original plan was to order 10.9s like the 360 and 153, provided that some work at Highgate was done to accommodate these longer vehicles (work on a roundabout I think?). Because of TfL’s famously limited funds, this was cancelled so it meant longer buses could no longer be used. A great shame as I’m sure the capacity boost would have come very very helpful on this very overcrowded route. The drop of 4 seats compared to Metroline’s old vehicles is probably also very unwelcome. I can imagine this particular batch of SEes becoming more like ‘cattle transporters’ in the rush hour with the increased standing space, as the 507/521 vehicles have been previously addressed as. Also does the fact that these buses are electric take away interior space that you would otherwise have in a conventional diesel? That would make it even worse on a route which constantly has loads packed to the windows. That's right, there was a plan to alter the road layout at Highgate, including work on the roundabout to enable longer buses to turn. This would also have included a bigger stand which would have accommodated both 214 and 271, allowing the cramped South Grove stand to be taken out of use. Predictably this ran into opposition from locals (in Highgate they will object against absolutely any proposed change, no matter what it is). TfL took ages to decide what to do, then eventually announced that they would ignore the protests and go ahead with the work... only to then realise that they had no money left, so the plan was cancelled.
So the 214 is stuck with 10.2m buses. I suspect a 10.9m bus could be used if they really needed to; it would probably have to run to the North Hill / Archway Road junction to turn.
I'm pretty sure the E200EVs have the same amount of interior space as the equivalent diesels. The batteries are all up on the roof. Electric DDs are another matter as you can't put the batteries on the roof.
Whilst route learning, 10.9m SEe's were used until the new ones were ready. One driver managed to do the turn in one. But the rest of us had to reverse about 30cm
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Post by rif153 on Aug 19, 2019 10:09:24 GMT
SE303 entered service today
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