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Post by greenboy on Jan 26, 2020 17:47:08 GMT
Idk if you guys are up for story but, here is my idea and please feel free to have constructive feedback on it lol. Basically I am pretty sure you know routes which get stuck in traffic and I mean gridlock traffic in rush/peak time and the bus is full and 80% of the passengers wanna get off at the next stop because THAT'S the stop everyone gets off to get train or whatever. The passengers start knocking on the cab asking for driver to 'let them off' because that's only 2 min walk to the stop, or 10-15 sometime even 20 min drive to that stop. Letting passengers off outside of the stop is illegal as far as I know, therefore 70% (probably) of drivers won't open the doors...so my idea is maybe for TFL to start painting some sort of 'Oh no Traffic Line' along the places which get gridlock so drivers can legally open the doors but only if the bus hasn't moved in awhile and obviously if it's safe to do so, therefore giving drivers a bit of room to breathe instead of arguing with passengers that they'll have to wait 15 minutes to drive 5 metres.
Again I am not saying they should start painting them everywhere, but probably do research on few routes which need it. Because where I am, passengers are letting off themselves by pressing button and it's becoming 'just another day in the office' routine every single morning.
If passengers push the emergency button and let themselves off it's down to them if they have a mishap.
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Post by Pilot on Jan 26, 2020 18:05:52 GMT
Idk if you guys are up for story but, here is my idea and please feel free to have constructive feedback on it lol. Basically I am pretty sure you know routes which get stuck in traffic and I mean gridlock traffic in rush/peak time and the bus is full and 80% of the passengers wanna get off at the next stop because THAT'S the stop everyone gets off to get train or whatever. The passengers start knocking on the cab asking for driver to 'let them off' because that's only 2 min walk to the stop, or 10-15 sometime even 20 min drive to that stop. Letting passengers off outside of the stop is illegal as far as I know, therefore 70% (probably) of drivers won't open the doors...so my idea is maybe for TFL to start painting some sort of 'Oh no Traffic Line' along the places which get gridlock so drivers can legally open the doors but only if the bus hasn't moved in awhile and obviously if it's safe to do so, therefore giving drivers a bit of room to breathe instead of arguing with passengers that they'll have to wait 15 minutes to drive 5 metres.
Again I am not saying they should start painting them everywhere, but probably do research on few routes which need it. Because where I am, passengers are letting off themselves by pressing button and it's becoming 'just another day in the office' routine every single morning.
If passengers push the emergency button and let themselves off it's down to them if they have a mishap. I know but I am just saying this is becoming the new normal, like 'oh i'll just get off here because no patience to wait 1 more minute' I am not even talking about scenarios where you get stuck for 10 min, people do it for 1-2 minutes now with no consequences. Let's not forget at least the ADL buses will auto-brake when door button is pressed at speeds less than 3mph and while it sounds like 1-2 mph is not much, trust me everyone will get nice G-force when bus goes from 3mph to 0 in less than a second.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 26, 2020 18:11:03 GMT
If passengers push the emergency button and let themselves off it's down to them if they have a mishap. I know but I am just saying this is becoming the new normal, like 'oh i'll just get off here because no patience to wait 1 more minute' I am not even talking about scenarios where you get stuck for 10 min, people do it for 1-2 minutes now with no consequences. Let's not forget at least the ADL buses will auto-brake when door button is pressed at speeds less than 3mph and while it sounds like 1-2 mph is not much, trust me everyone will get nice G-force when bus goes from 3mph to 0 in less than a second. I've seen numerous instances when the bus is stationary but not whilst in motion which is dangerous.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 18:11:56 GMT
Idk if you guys are up for story but, here is my idea and please feel free to have constructive feedback on it lol. Basically I am pretty sure you know routes which get stuck in traffic and I mean gridlock traffic in rush/peak time and the bus is full and 80% of the passengers wanna get off at the next stop because THAT'S the stop everyone gets off to get train or whatever. The passengers start knocking on the cab asking for driver to 'let them off' because that's only 2 min walk to the stop, or 10-15 sometime even 20 min drive to that stop. Letting passengers off outside of the stop is illegal as far as I know, therefore 70% (probably) of drivers won't open the doors...so my idea is maybe for TFL to start painting some sort of 'Oh no Traffic Line' along the places which get gridlock so drivers can legally open the doors but only if the bus hasn't moved in awhile and obviously if it's safe to do so, therefore giving drivers a bit of room to breathe instead of arguing with passengers that they'll have to wait 15 minutes to drive 5 metres.
Again I am not saying they should start painting them everywhere, but probably do research on few routes which need it. Because where I am, passengers are letting off themselves by pressing button and it's becoming 'just another day in the office' routine every single morning.
Probably too risky especially with all the Uber Eats mopeds flying about delivering take aways. Been let off a few times when when delays have been really bad or a roads been closed but drivers are generally cautions and check the mirrors several times.
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Post by galwhv69 on Jan 26, 2020 18:53:36 GMT
If passengers push the emergency button and let themselves off it's down to them if they have a mishap. I know but I am just saying this is becoming the new normal, like 'oh i'll just get off here because no patience to wait 1 more minute' I am not even talking about scenarios where you get stuck for 10 min, people do it for 1-2 minutes now with no consequences. Let's not forget at least the ADL buses will auto-brake when door button is pressed at speeds less than 3mph and while it sounds like 1-2 mph is not much, trust me everyone will get nice G-force when bus goes from 3mph to 0 in less than a second. Yes, saw it happen at Wandsworth on the 37 in moving traffic as some youths wanted to go to Southside Shopping Centre but couldn't be bothered to walk back from the next stop (Only 39 and 156 stop directly outside the shopping centre)
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Post by busaholic on Jan 26, 2020 19:13:27 GMT
Idk if you guys are up for story but, here is my idea and please feel free to have constructive feedback on it lol. Basically I am pretty sure you know routes which get stuck in traffic and I mean gridlock traffic in rush/peak time and the bus is full and 80% of the passengers wanna get off at the next stop because THAT'S the stop everyone gets off to get train or whatever. The passengers start knocking on the cab asking for driver to 'let them off' because that's only 2 min walk to the stop, or 10-15 sometime even 20 min drive to that stop. Letting passengers off outside of the stop is illegal as far as I know, therefore 70% (probably) of drivers won't open the doors...so my idea is maybe for TFL to start painting some sort of 'Oh no Traffic Line' along the places which get gridlock so drivers can legally open the doors but only if the bus hasn't moved in awhile and obviously if it's safe to do so, therefore giving drivers a bit of room to breathe instead of arguing with passengers that they'll have to wait 15 minutes to drive 5 metres.
Again I am not saying they should start painting them everywhere, but probably do research on few routes which need it. Because where I am, passengers are letting off themselves by pressing button and it's becoming 'just another day in the office' routine every single morning.
I know it seems a lifetime ago, when if you mentioned the word 'Brexit' you'd have been stared at perplexedly, but TfL did introduce a fleet of 1,000 (count them!) buses which were meant to specifically address this problem: indeed, without this feature it could be said !and was said) they were a complete waste of time and money. Boris Johnson (to his credit) did recognise the problem you outline and tried to do something about it, before losing interest and, in effect, putting the mockers on it. If bus travel is not just to be for the desperate and/or destitute there has to be common sense applied.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 26, 2020 19:25:59 GMT
Idk if you guys are up for story but, here is my idea and please feel free to have constructive feedback on it lol. Basically I am pretty sure you know routes which get stuck in traffic and I mean gridlock traffic in rush/peak time and the bus is full and 80% of the passengers wanna get off at the next stop because THAT'S the stop everyone gets off to get train or whatever. The passengers start knocking on the cab asking for driver to 'let them off' because that's only 2 min walk to the stop, or 10-15 sometime even 20 min drive to that stop. Letting passengers off outside of the stop is illegal as far as I know, therefore 70% (probably) of drivers won't open the doors...so my idea is maybe for TFL to start painting some sort of 'Oh no Traffic Line' along the places which get gridlock so drivers can legally open the doors but only if the bus hasn't moved in awhile and obviously if it's safe to do so, therefore giving drivers a bit of room to breathe instead of arguing with passengers that they'll have to wait 15 minutes to drive 5 metres.
Again I am not saying they should start painting them everywhere, but probably do research on few routes which need it. Because where I am, passengers are letting off themselves by pressing button and it's becoming 'just another day in the office' routine every single morning.
Wasn't aware it was illegal, always presumed that drivers were deterred from doing it rather than outright illegal and that only at a safe point such as if you right by the pavement? I've asked drivers on numerous occasions if they can let me know usually to beat some traffic to catch another bus or because I'm pretty much at my destination - some have let me off and others haven't but never have opened the doors myself. Some of the ones who have refused did puzzle me given we were right by the kerb so no cyclist or moped could knock me over whilst others were understandable as to why they said no but they want to cover their own backs which is fair enough.
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 27, 2020 0:25:44 GMT
Idk if you guys are up for story but, here is my idea and please feel free to have constructive feedback on it lol. Basically I am pretty sure you know routes which get stuck in traffic and I mean gridlock traffic in rush/peak time and the bus is full and 80% of the passengers wanna get off at the next stop because THAT'S the stop everyone gets off to get train or whatever. The passengers start knocking on the cab asking for driver to 'let them off' because that's only 2 min walk to the stop, or 10-15 sometime even 20 min drive to that stop. Letting passengers off outside of the stop is illegal as far as I know, therefore 70% (probably) of drivers won't open the doors...so my idea is maybe for TFL to start painting some sort of 'Oh no Traffic Line' along the places which get gridlock so drivers can legally open the doors but only if the bus hasn't moved in awhile and obviously if it's safe to do so, therefore giving drivers a bit of room to breathe instead of arguing with passengers that they'll have to wait 15 minutes to drive 5 metres.
Again I am not saying they should start painting them everywhere, but probably do research on few routes which need it. Because where I am, passengers are letting off themselves by pressing button and it's becoming 'just another day in the office' routine every single morning.
Wasn't aware it was illegal, always presumed that drivers were deterred from doing it rather than outright illegal and that only at a safe point such as if you right by the pavement? I've asked drivers on numerous occasions if they can let me know usually to beat some traffic to catch another bus or because I'm pretty much at my destination - some have let me off and others haven't but never have opened the doors myself. Some of the ones who have refused did puzzle me given we were right by the kerb so no cyclist or moped could knock me over whilst others were understandable as to why they said no but they want to cover their own backs which is fair enough. Buses as far as I am aware can only alight passengers at recognised bus stops .. but sure bus drivers can confirm
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Post by Frenzie on Jan 27, 2020 1:36:57 GMT
Idk if you guys are up for story but, here is my idea and please feel free to have constructive feedback on it lol. Basically I am pretty sure you know routes which get stuck in traffic and I mean gridlock traffic in rush/peak time and the bus is full and 80% of the passengers wanna get off at the next stop because THAT'S the stop everyone gets off to get train or whatever. The passengers start knocking on the cab asking for driver to 'let them off' because that's only 2 min walk to the stop, or 10-15 sometime even 20 min drive to that stop. Letting passengers off outside of the stop is illegal as far as I know, therefore 70% (probably) of drivers won't open the doors...so my idea is maybe for TFL to start painting some sort of 'Oh no Traffic Line' along the places which get gridlock so drivers can legally open the doors but only if the bus hasn't moved in awhile and obviously if it's safe to do so, therefore giving drivers a bit of room to breathe instead of arguing with passengers that they'll have to wait 15 minutes to drive 5 metres.
Again I am not saying they should start painting them everywhere, but probably do research on few routes which need it. Because where I am, passengers are letting off themselves by pressing button and it's becoming 'just another day in the office' routine every single morning.
Page 23 of the big red book says it’s fine to open the doors between stops provided it’s safe and the passengers alight through the front door.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 27, 2020 11:46:03 GMT
Page 23 of the big red book says it’s fine to open the doors between stops provided it’s safe and the passengers alight through the front door. Indeed as there's even an automated message i've seen displayed for that situation, "THE DRIVER WILL OPEN THE DOORS WHEN IT IS SAFE TO TO SO"
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Post by bottomless on Jan 27, 2020 14:25:30 GMT
This was an issue addressed at Hello London, drivers were informed that it was not illegal and that in traffic they should manoeuvre close to the kerb so people could be allowed to exit the bus safely if there was a need to do so. However some people then get upset that driver won’t let them off in the middle of the road whilst waiting to turn right at a junction.
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Post by ronnie on Jan 27, 2020 14:33:42 GMT
No one had been on the bus except the driver, it had come straight from the garage. The stench of cannabis really does hang around (Can't stand the smell and living in east London where its a real issue I smell it daily) so could have been from a previous trip the bus was used on, or someone had been smoking upstairs. I have also been driving my car and its come through the air vents from passing cars (Scary thought people driving whilst high).
It’s ridiculous, the constant stench everywhere. On the tube, in the dlr, bus in the middle of rush hour. One can’t walk around with kids nowadays given the constant nuisance all the time
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Post by Pilot on Jan 27, 2020 17:31:43 GMT
Page 23 of the big red book says it’s fine to open the doors between stops provided it’s safe and the passengers alight through the front door. Indeed as there's even an automated message i've seen displayed for that situation, "THE DRIVER WILL OPEN THE DOORS WHEN IT IS SAFE TO TO SO" Yeah but it may also imply that you may be in the bus stop, but it may not be safe to open it just yet. On the red book it says in case of roadworks or a collision or 'such'...not in case of every day traffic which people should know exists every single morning to begin with. So the rule is not exactly black and white, but then again I was not lucky enough to be in the hello london which if I am right doesn't exist anymore because of cpc. But a lot of drivers told me they still refuse to open because you will still get in trouble if something goes wrong and to me the red book rule kinda worries me because it doesn't mention that you should be able to open doors if stuck in traffic for long periods of time.
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Post by busaholic on Jan 27, 2020 18:58:02 GMT
Indeed as there's even an automated message i've seen displayed for that situation, "THE DRIVER WILL OPEN THE DOORS WHEN IT IS SAFE TO TO SO" Yeah but it may also imply that you may be in the bus stop, but it may not be safe to open it just yet. On the red book it says in case of roadworks or a collision or 'such'...not in case of every day traffic which people should know exists every single morning to begin with. So the rule is not exactly black and white, but then again I was not lucky enough to be in the hello london which if I am right doesn't exist anymore because of cpc. But a lot of drivers told me they still refuse to open because you will still get in trouble if something goes wrong and to me the red book rule kinda worries me because it doesn't mention that you should be able to open doors if stuck in traffic for long periods of time. There are rule books, red books and god-knows-what-else books but, all in all, disobeying them or ignoring them does not in itself mean the driver's actions are illegal. So much guff is talked on here and other forums about the supposed illegality of such things as reversing a bus in public service without a 'banksman' or it being a crime to stop for a passenger at anything other than a bus stop, either to let them on or off. Only the police could decide whether an offence might have occurred, and it'll be based on various Road Traffic Acts. That doesn't mean a driver won't have contravened their employer's rules, but that's entirely another matter.
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Post by TP1 on Jan 27, 2020 19:31:22 GMT
Yeah but it may also imply that you may be in the bus stop, but it may not be safe to open it just yet. On the red book it says in case of roadworks or a collision or 'such'...not in case of every day traffic which people should know exists every single morning to begin with. So the rule is not exactly black and white, but then again I was not lucky enough to be in the hello london which if I am right doesn't exist anymore because of cpc. But a lot of drivers told me they still refuse to open because you will still get in trouble if something goes wrong and to me the red book rule kinda worries me because it doesn't mention that you should be able to open doors if stuck in traffic for long periods of time. There are rule books, red books and god-knows-what-else books but, all in all, disobeying them or ignoring them does not in itself mean the driver's actions are illegal. So much guff is talked on here and other forums about the supposed illegality of such things as reversing a bus in public service without a 'banksman' or it being a crime to stop for a passenger at anything other than a bus stop, either to let them on or off. Only the police could decide whether an offence might have occurred, and it'll be based on various Road Traffic Acts. That doesn't mean a driver won't have contravened their employer's rules, but that's entirely another matter. At Go-ahead the rule of thumb was to open the door when safe to do so. Pull up to the kerb of if you're still worried, alight passengers through the front doors with you (the driver) stood in a high-vy between the bus and pavement. Common sense init.
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