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Post by rj131 on Apr 28, 2024 12:21:18 GMT
Some pictures of 8004 SK24XRE, one of the first batch of the brand new E400EV. These look INCREDIBLE. God I hope we get some of these in London and Manchester Not a fan of the design of the rear lights, but otherwise it looks good! The MCV Evora has the same as these on the upper rear sections, so clearly an imported part, I quite like them I agree the ‘donut’ ones found on newer MMCs and Cities would look better
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Post by bn12cny on Apr 29, 2024 10:38:40 GMT
What's the point of Superloop buses if they have to regulate the journeys, yesterday I flew into Heathrow and I deliberately let a 285 go and caught the SL7 to Kingston 4 minutes behind, anyway the driver regulated at Hatton Cross for 4 minutes overtook the 285 just before Teddington then regulated again at Teddington High Street so the 285 which I let go overtook the SL7 and beat it to Kingston - why oh why?
Furthermore am amazed at all off the different operations within Heathrow so many different operators and routes, has anyone got a list off all of the different routes and operators within the airport including the car parks etc because the operations is larger.
Lastly I saw the bus route H30 from T5 to T4 vi the cargo center which seems to be the same routes as the 490 and 482, whats the point of this route apart from being free?
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Post by bmck on Apr 29, 2024 12:25:25 GMT
Sorry to learn that the SL7 is subjected to that. I drive the SL1 and to begin with, iBus tried the same thing. When we put it to the management that Superloop services were different & should be treated as such, we're fine now. Express should be 'Express.'
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Post by mondraker275 on Apr 29, 2024 14:57:19 GMT
Sorry to learn that the SL7 is subjected to that. I drive the SL1 and to begin with, iBus tried the same thing. When we put it to the management that Superloop services were different & should be treated as such, we're fine now. Express should be 'Express.' To this day I still dont get why headway cannot be maintained with everybody driving quickly as opposed to everyone driving slowly. Performance stats are not out for SL1 as it is being delayed until this TfL paper (nonsense, even the renumbered routes seem to be offline), however, I do hope they are good as it is a good experience using SL1. SL3 has been quite good too. SL7 can be forgiven slightly as it is an 'on-time' assessed route I believe and it is a case of timetables being updated more regularly because multiple holds for 3 plus minutes is unacceptable. I have said it before but if you want to treat SuperLoop as its own mode of transport then they can and should be assessed differently. I hope that the TfL paper covers complaints and issues as well.
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Post by TB123 on Apr 29, 2024 15:09:13 GMT
Sorry to learn that the SL7 is subjected to that. I drive the SL1 and to begin with, iBus tried the same thing. When we put it to the management that Superloop services were different & should be treated as such, we're fine now. Express should be 'Express.' To this day I still dont get why headway cannot be maintained with everybody driving quickly as opposed to everyone driving slowly. Performance stats are not out for SL1 as it is being delayed until this TfL paper (nonsense, even the renumbered routes seem to be offline), however, I do hope they are good as it is a good experience using SL1. SL3 has been quite good too. SL7 can be forgiven slightly as it is an 'on-time' assessed route I believe and it is a case of timetables being updated more regularly because multiple holds for 3 plus minutes is unacceptable. I have said it before but if you want to treat SuperLoop as its own mode of transport then they can and should be assessed differently. I hope that the TfL paper covers complaints and issues as well. The reliability stats of the SL3 thus far are said to have been pretty ropey thanks to vehicle issues (dodgy LTs) and roadworks galore.
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Post by mondraker275 on Apr 29, 2024 15:19:07 GMT
To this day I still dont get why headway cannot be maintained with everybody driving quickly as opposed to everyone driving slowly. Performance stats are not out for SL1 as it is being delayed until this TfL paper (nonsense, even the renumbered routes seem to be offline), however, I do hope they are good as it is a good experience using SL1. SL3 has been quite good too. SL7 can be forgiven slightly as it is an 'on-time' assessed route I believe and it is a case of timetables being updated more regularly because multiple holds for 3 plus minutes is unacceptable. I have said it before but if you want to treat SuperLoop as its own mode of transport then they can and should be assessed differently. I hope that the TfL paper covers complaints and issues as well. The reliability stats of the SL3 thus far are said to have been pretty ropey thanks to vehicle issues (dodgy LTs) and roadworks galore. It was more about the speed and lack of holding particularly on journeys since the roadworks. I used it a couple of times a week or so ago and they were all going as quick as possible and there was no traffic/roadworks. It was quite pleasant. Even with roadworks in the south side of the route, the north side from Bexleyheath to Thamesmead were not being driven slowly. The assessment here for success in my opinion is if there is no traffic, are the routes express or feel express? Of the new routes, I have not been regulated on SL1, SL3 or SL5 so far. It is a different story for SL2 and SL10, where I have been held many times including multiple times on the same journey.
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Post by TB123 on Apr 29, 2024 15:24:36 GMT
The reliability stats of the SL3 thus far are said to have been pretty ropey thanks to vehicle issues (dodgy LTs) and roadworks galore. It was more about the speed and lack of holding particularly on journeys since the roadworks. I used it a couple of times a week or so ago and they were all going as quick as possible and there was no traffic/roadworks. It was quite pleasant. Even with roadworks in the south side of the route, the north side from Bexleyheath to Thamesmead were not being driven slowly. The assessment here for success in my opinion is if there is no traffic, are the routes express or feel express? Of the new routes, I have not been regulated on SL1, SL3 or SL5 so far. It is a different story for SL2 and SL10, where I have been held many times including multiple times on the same journey. One thing that helps the SL3, SL5 and SL10 vs the SL1 or SL2 is the fact there is no mid-route changeover point so you haven't got to run services to the timecard changeover time, so as long as the 5 bars headway is maintained early running is very possible and indeed something I've observed too. That said, I've had a SL1 leave the AD changeover point on time and arrive as much as 10 mins early at Walthamstow, all whilst maintaining 5 bars. End changeovers on the SL1 and SL2 would be ideal but no doubt make the service less efficient to operate.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 29, 2024 16:40:45 GMT
What's the point of Superloop buses if they have to regulate the journeys, yesterday I flew into Heathrow and I deliberately let a 285 go and caught the SL7 to Kingston 4 minutes behind, anyway the driver regulated at Hatton Cross for 4 minutes overtook the 285 just before Teddington then regulated again at Teddington High Street so the 285 which I let go overtook the SL7 and beat it to Kingston - why oh why? Furthermore am amazed at all off the different operations within Heathrow so many different operators and routes, has anyone got a list off all of the different routes and operators within the airport including the car parks etc because the operations is larger. Lastly I saw the bus route H30 from T5 to T4 vi the cargo center which seems to be the same routes as the 490 and 482, whats the point of this route apart from being free? I've had similar experiences and the 607/SL8 is the same with buses crawling along and slow driver changeovers mean it's barely any faster than the 207 and 427.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Apr 29, 2024 18:15:13 GMT
Sorry to learn that the SL7 is subjected to that. I drive the SL1 and to begin with, iBus tried the same thing. When we put it to the management that Superloop services were different & should be treated as such, we're fine now. Express should be 'Express.' To this day I still dont get why headway cannot be maintained with everybody driving quickly as opposed to everyone driving slowly. Performance stats are not out for SL1 as it is being delayed until this TfL paper (nonsense, even the renumbered routes seem to be offline), however, I do hope they are good as it is a good experience using SL1. SL3 has been quite good too. SL7 can be forgiven slightly as it is an 'on-time' assessed route I believe and it is a case of timetables being updated more regularly because multiple holds for 3 plus minutes is unacceptable. I have said it before but if you want to treat SuperLoop as its own mode of transport then they can and should be assessed differently. I hope that the TfL paper covers complaints and issues as well. There's just no incentive if the metric is still the EWT as opposed to 'journey time' or something like that (which should really factor in on an express route). That in itself is challenging. What happens if it's something outside the operators' doing? At what point should an even service be more important than speed? (no point being fast if all the buses are bunched) Hopefully someone up there is thinking about all this.
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Post by redexpress on Apr 29, 2024 23:46:32 GMT
Furthermore am amazed at all off the different operations within Heathrow so many different operators and routes, has anyone got a list off all of the different routes and operators within the airport including the car parks etc because the operations is larger. Lastly I saw the bus route H30 from T5 to T4 vi the cargo center which seems to be the same routes as the 490 and 482, whats the point of this route apart from being free? I'd be interested in a list of all the Heathrow operations too. It isn't easy to keep track of what's going on there, especially the various staff services which are (understandably) not advertised to the public.
As for the H30, I think Heathrow felt that the 482/490 needed support within the airport. The 490 gets swamped at shift change times and the 482 is not very frequent. Also, while Heathrow used to pay for both buses and trains to be free within the airport, they now only pay for free travel on trains (including the tube). This left the T4-T5 link without a direct free service (travelling between these two by rail requires a change) so the H30 plugs that gap.
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Post by billa on Apr 30, 2024 10:09:13 GMT
Sorry to learn that the SL7 is subjected to that. I drive the SL1 and to begin with, iBus tried the same thing. When we put it to the management that Superloop services were different & should be treated as such, we're fine now. Express should be 'Express.' I don't know what the other controllers do but I always say as long as you're on time at Palmers I'm not bothered by the early running provided everyone's on headway. You guys pick up so much time between AD and the Billet trying to keep you on time is fruitless.
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Post by TB123 on Apr 30, 2024 10:13:26 GMT
Sorry to learn that the SL7 is subjected to that. I drive the SL1 and to begin with, iBus tried the same thing. When we put it to the management that Superloop services were different & should be treated as such, we're fine now. Express should be 'Express.' I don't know what the other controllers do but I always say as long as you're on time at Palmers I'm not bothered by the early running provided everyone's on headway. You guys pick up so much time between AD and the Billet trying to keep you on time is fruitless. That's surely a common sense approach....
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 1, 2024 17:15:37 GMT
I don't know what the other controllers do but I always say as long as you're on time at Palmers I'm not bothered by the early running provided everyone's on headway. You guys pick up so much time between AD and the Billet trying to keep you on time is fruitless. That's surely a common sense approach.... The issue is that as long as it's not formally set in stone by TfL as speed being an objective, it's reliant on the goodwill of individual controllers sadly.
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Post by greenboy on May 3, 2024 14:58:24 GMT
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on May 3, 2024 15:05:36 GMT
Oh dear, not again. My best wishes to the woman involved. The bus involved was LT709.
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