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Post by Paul on Aug 14, 2019 7:46:05 GMT
Are you a parent? I’m guessing not because that’s such a silly thing to say. Whenever I took my daughter on a bus or train she never cried or screamed and if she started to make a fuss I was there to calm her down. Infants that are crying or screaming simply want attention from mum or dad and as has been mentioned often mum or dad are too engrossed in something else to care about their child So yeah, my child wasn’t like that (she’s five now and quite happily just chats away) and I don’t take kindly to being called a liar for saying so No, however I quite often have a screaming child to look after on a bus and I don't take kindly to him being called a brat. Parents in many cases genuinely try their best and its not their fault that their child is crying, you need to remember that they cannot talk and not everyone is psychic enough to know what will stop them crying immediately. A crying child is just part of human nature and we all have to deal with them whether we like it or not. In the vast majority of cases all the child wants is contact. Young infants in prams or ‘travel systems’ have constant eye contact with Mum or Dad until they get put in the wheelchair space and all they can see is the side panel of the bus. Scarily (for them) they start moving but can’t see where they are going. It’s a natural reaction to scream and cry because it’s out of the ordinary for them. If Mum or Dad pick them up or turn the pram/travel system around the crying often stops. They simply want reassurance Mum or Dad are still there Trying to lecture me on parenting (‘You need to remember they cannot talk’) is laughable when you are not one yourself. Yes, a crying child is part of life but it does appear you come from an angle of ‘it’s ok to leave a crying child’ when patently it is not I do agree that the term ‘brat’ isn’t pleasant but often it’s used as a catch all term when describing children that are crying or screaming - I would rather use the phrase ‘screaming children’ but I don’t take offence at the term ‘brat’ because I know my child isn’t one
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Post by rugbyref on Aug 14, 2019 8:32:23 GMT
It is very heartening on the rare occasions that you see a parent interact with the child on board, rather than spend the journey with their face glued to their mobile phone!
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 14, 2019 12:59:57 GMT
No, however I quite often have a screaming child to look after on a bus and I don't take kindly to him being called a brat. Parents in many cases genuinely try their best and its not their fault that their child is crying, you need to remember that they cannot talk and not everyone is psychic enough to know what will stop them crying immediately. A crying child is just part of human nature and we all have to deal with them whether we like it or not. In the vast majority of cases all the child wants is contact. Young infants in prams or ‘travel systems’ have constant eye contact with Mum or Dad until they get put in the wheelchair space and all they can see is the side panel of the bus. Scarily (for them) they start moving but can’t see where they are going. It’s a natural reaction to scream and cry because it’s out of the ordinary for them. If Mum or Dad pick them up or turn the pram/travel system around the crying often stops. They simply want reassurance Mum or Dad are still there Trying to lecture me on parenting (‘You need to remember they cannot talk’) is laughable when you are not one yourself. Yes, a crying child is part of life but it does appear you come from an angle of ‘it’s ok to leave a crying child’ when patently it is not I do agree that the term ‘brat’ isn’t pleasant but often it’s used as a catch all term when describing children that are crying or screaming - I would rather use the phrase ‘screaming children’ but I don’t take offence at the term ‘brat’ because I know my child isn’t one At no point did I say it was alright to leave a crying child, all I said is sometimes you can't do anything about it. The other day the child I was with was on the tube and didn't take too well to the noise, can't do much about that no matter how hard you try. If you have a child that's easy to calm down then good for you but all infants have different personalities and all parents are different.
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Post by londonboy71 on Aug 14, 2019 15:59:49 GMT
What's all this to do with Buses?
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Post by LT 20181 on Aug 14, 2019 16:03:31 GMT
What's all this to do with Buses? Looks like something that spiralled from one of those Wheelchairs vs Pushchairs debates
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Post by george on Aug 15, 2019 12:16:26 GMT
Is new route 306 still going ahead?
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Post by Londonbuses54 on Aug 15, 2019 17:09:10 GMT
Why do voith buses have very squealy retarders? I can’t think why having the flywheel spin in oil would make that sort of noise!?
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Post by rif153 on Aug 15, 2019 18:31:20 GMT
Is new route 306 still going ahead? I hope so. The 218 can't cope alone on Askew Road
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Post by Nathan on Aug 19, 2019 8:31:12 GMT
I have some things to rant about here regarding my recent experience on my bus travels.
So I was able to go home early from work but still had to call into a meeting from home later. I figured I'd have enough time to get the bus back home as I had an hour and a half spare time. It normally takes me just over an hour to and from the office.
Anyway, I boarded a 172 from Aldwych just in the nick of time. We later arrived at New Cross Bus Garage where the driver was changing over. The driver got out the cab and off the bus but there was no driver to take over. Normally drivers here take a while to get to the bus stop to take over the bus, so I figured this was one of these cases. Thankfully a controller was at the bus stop and called in (to the control room I assume) to check what was going on. This was not good enough for me as I had to make my meeting so I got off the bus and went to the bus stop further ahead (for buses going towards Lewisham).
There was already a 21 ready and waiting at the stop, but it was simply just doing that. Waiting for the driver to come and change over. I saw this and saw a 436 coming behind and thought 'okay, I'll jump on this'. I did just that, only to hear the 'The driver has been instructed...' announcement. It was just getting silly at this point. I had to constantly look behind to see if there was any other bus I could take. I saw a 171 arrive but looked like that was also about to change over too, so I didn't take my chances.
I asked the 436 driver how long she'd be waiting for and I was told 4 mins. I saw the 21 driver had finally arrived and quickly jumped on to that bus and we left shortly after. Bare in mind that this 21 arrived at the stop a minute or two before my 172 did!
The things that really annoyed me were:
a) Why do the NX route drivers take so long to even get to their bus to change over? This is quite a regular thing here. I mean no disrespect to the people who work at the garage (they do a fantastic job), but this is pretty silly now.
b) Why do drivers not announce how long they are waiting for? Ideally there should be a mandatory option for drivers to enter in the number of minutes they're waiting for so the time can be announced automatically. It's quite annoying having to sit there without knowing if it's worth jumping on another bus.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 8:37:09 GMT
I have some things to rant about here regarding my recent experience on my bus travels. So I was able to go home early from work but still had to call into a meeting from home later. I figured I'd have enough time to get the bus back home as I had an hour and a half spare time. It normally takes me just over an hour to and from the office. Anyway, I boarded a 172 from Aldwych just in the nick of time. We later arrived at New Cross Bus Garage where the driver was changing over. The driver got out the cab and off the bus but there was no driver to take over. Normally drivers here take a while to get to the bus stop to take over the bus, so I figured this was one of these cases. Thankfully a controller was at the bus stop and called in (to the control room I assume) to check what was going on. This was not good enough for me as I had to make my meeting so I got off the bus and went to the bus stop further ahead (for buses going towards Lewisham). There was already a 21 ready and waiting at the stop, but it was simply just doing that. Waiting for the driver to come and change over. I saw this and saw a 436 coming behind and thought 'okay, I'll jump on this'. I did just that, only to hear the 'The driver has been instructed...' announcement. It was just getting silly at this point. I had to constantly look behind to see if there was any other bus I could take. I saw a 171 arrive but looked like that was also about to change over too, so I didn't take my chances. I asked the 436 driver how long she'd be waiting for and I was told 4 mins. I saw the 21 driver had finally arrived and quickly jumped on to that bus and we left shortly after. Bare in mind that this 21 arrived at the stop a minute or two before my 172 did! The things that really annoyed me were: a) Why do the NX route drivers take so long to even get to their bus to change over? This is quite a regular thing here. I mean no disrespect to the people who work at the garage (they do a fantastic job), but this is pretty silly now. b) Why do drivers not announce how long they are waiting for? Ideally there should be a mandatory option for drivers to enter in the number of minutes they're waiting for so the time can be announced automatically. It's quite annoying having to sit there without knowing if it's worth jumping on another bus. Not too sure about your first question, but I'd hazard a guess the buses were running early? With your second question, there is no option on the system to enter in the number of minutes. Just the bog standard service regulation announcement. I think you should be able to press the service regulation button, then it should come up with a menu asking you how long for (2, 3, 5 minutes etc.), so that can be announced as well. It should announce something like 'The driver has been instructed to wait at this bus stop for approximately # minutes to help even out the service'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 11:55:20 GMT
I have some things to rant about here regarding my recent experience on my bus travels. So I was able to go home early from work but still had to call into a meeting from home later. I figured I'd have enough time to get the bus back home as I had an hour and a half spare time. It normally takes me just over an hour to and from the office. Anyway, I boarded a 172 from Aldwych just in the nick of time. We later arrived at New Cross Bus Garage where the driver was changing over. The driver got out the cab and off the bus but there was no driver to take over. Normally drivers here take a while to get to the bus stop to take over the bus, so I figured this was one of these cases. Thankfully a controller was at the bus stop and called in (to the control room I assume) to check what was going on. This was not good enough for me as I had to make my meeting so I got off the bus and went to the bus stop further ahead (for buses going towards Lewisham). There was already a 21 ready and waiting at the stop, but it was simply just doing that. Waiting for the driver to come and change over. I saw this and saw a 436 coming behind and thought 'okay, I'll jump on this'. I did just that, only to hear the 'The driver has been instructed...' announcement. It was just getting silly at this point. I had to constantly look behind to see if there was any other bus I could take. I saw a 171 arrive but looked like that was also about to change over too, so I didn't take my chances. I asked the 436 driver how long she'd be waiting for and I was told 4 mins. I saw the 21 driver had finally arrived and quickly jumped on to that bus and we left shortly after. Bare in mind that this 21 arrived at the stop a minute or two before my 172 did! The things that really annoyed me were: a) Why do the NX route drivers take so long to even get to their bus to change over? This is quite a regular thing here. I mean no disrespect to the people who work at the garage (they do a fantastic job), but this is pretty silly now. b) Why do drivers not announce how long they are waiting for? Ideally there should be a mandatory option for drivers to enter in the number of minutes they're waiting for so the time can be announced automatically. It's quite annoying having to sit there without knowing if it's worth jumping on another bus. I've had the same problems outside NX in both directions, getting across the road to the southbound stops can be tricky but not sure that excuses it.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 19, 2019 14:57:35 GMT
I have some things to rant about here regarding my recent experience on my bus travels. So I was able to go home early from work but still had to call into a meeting from home later. I figured I'd have enough time to get the bus back home as I had an hour and a half spare time. It normally takes me just over an hour to and from the office. Anyway, I boarded a 172 from Aldwych just in the nick of time. We later arrived at New Cross Bus Garage where the driver was changing over. The driver got out the cab and off the bus but there was no driver to take over. Normally drivers here take a while to get to the bus stop to take over the bus, so I figured this was one of these cases. Thankfully a controller was at the bus stop and called in (to the control room I assume) to check what was going on. This was not good enough for me as I had to make my meeting so I got off the bus and went to the bus stop further ahead (for buses going towards Lewisham). There was already a 21 ready and waiting at the stop, but it was simply just doing that. Waiting for the driver to come and change over. I saw this and saw a 436 coming behind and thought 'okay, I'll jump on this'. I did just that, only to hear the 'The driver has been instructed...' announcement. It was just getting silly at this point. I had to constantly look behind to see if there was any other bus I could take. I saw a 171 arrive but looked like that was also about to change over too, so I didn't take my chances. I asked the 436 driver how long she'd be waiting for and I was told 4 mins. I saw the 21 driver had finally arrived and quickly jumped on to that bus and we left shortly after. Bare in mind that this 21 arrived at the stop a minute or two before my 172 did! The things that really annoyed me were: a) Why do the NX route drivers take so long to even get to their bus to change over? This is quite a regular thing here. I mean no disrespect to the people who work at the garage (they do a fantastic job), but this is pretty silly now. b) Why do drivers not announce how long they are waiting for? Ideally there should be a mandatory option for drivers to enter in the number of minutes they're waiting for so the time can be announced automatically. It's quite annoying having to sit there without knowing if it's worth jumping on another bus. Possibly made worse because school is on holiday and standard timetables are in place. There would be plenty of cases where the driver coming off reaches early, i.e. 5 or so mins early, takeover driver doesn't want to be told to hold back etc. so comes to takeover on time.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 19, 2019 15:03:16 GMT
I have some things to rant about here regarding my recent experience on my bus travels. So I was able to go home early from work but still had to call into a meeting from home later. I figured I'd have enough time to get the bus back home as I had an hour and a half spare time. It normally takes me just over an hour to and from the office. Anyway, I boarded a 172 from Aldwych just in the nick of time. We later arrived at New Cross Bus Garage where the driver was changing over. The driver got out the cab and off the bus but there was no driver to take over. Normally drivers here take a while to get to the bus stop to take over the bus, so I figured this was one of these cases. Thankfully a controller was at the bus stop and called in (to the control room I assume) to check what was going on. This was not good enough for me as I had to make my meeting so I got off the bus and went to the bus stop further ahead (for buses going towards Lewisham). There was already a 21 ready and waiting at the stop, but it was simply just doing that. Waiting for the driver to come and change over. I saw this and saw a 436 coming behind and thought 'okay, I'll jump on this'. I did just that, only to hear the 'The driver has been instructed...' announcement. It was just getting silly at this point. I had to constantly look behind to see if there was any other bus I could take. I saw a 171 arrive but looked like that was also about to change over too, so I didn't take my chances. I asked the 436 driver how long she'd be waiting for and I was told 4 mins. I saw the 21 driver had finally arrived and quickly jumped on to that bus and we left shortly after. Bare in mind that this 21 arrived at the stop a minute or two before my 172 did! The things that really annoyed me were: a) Why do the NX route drivers take so long to even get to their bus to change over? This is quite a regular thing here. I mean no disrespect to the people who work at the garage (they do a fantastic job), but this is pretty silly now. b) Why do drivers not announce how long they are waiting for? Ideally there should be a mandatory option for drivers to enter in the number of minutes they're waiting for so the time can be announced automatically. It's quite annoying having to sit there without knowing if it's worth jumping on another bus. Not too sure about your first question, but I'd hazard a guess the buses were running early? With your second question, there is no option on the system to enter in the number of minutes. Just the bog standard service regulation announcement. I think you should be able to press the service regulation button, then it should come up with a menu asking you how long for (2, 3, 5 minutes etc.), so that can be announced as well. It should announce something like 'The driver has been instructed to wait at this bus stop for approximately # minutes to help even out the service'. Yes but the driver can easily just do an announcement over the PA system to tell passengers how long they'll be waiting for
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Post by Nathan on Aug 19, 2019 16:34:34 GMT
Not too sure about your first question, but I'd hazard a guess the buses were running early? With your second question, there is no option on the system to enter in the number of minutes. Just the bog standard service regulation announcement. I think you should be able to press the service regulation button, then it should come up with a menu asking you how long for (2, 3, 5 minutes etc.), so that can be announced as well. It should announce something like 'The driver has been instructed to wait at this bus stop for approximately # minutes to help even out the service'. Yes! An implementation like the one you described is exactly what's needed. It's too easy for drivers to simply activate the current announcement message and do nothing else. It should be made mandatory to tell passenger how long they're waiting. Possibly made worse because school is on holiday and standard timetables are in place. There would be plenty of cases where the driver coming off reaches early, i.e. 5 or so mins early, takeover driver doesn't want to be told to hold back etc. so comes to takeover on time. That's understandable. But this is a regular occurrence even during term time. I've noticed it's only been in the last year or so since this started happening regularly. Also, isn't there a set window to arrive at bus stops? I've read in previous posts that 2 mins early and 5 mins late is the allowed time. Perhaps this has changed. But assuming it hasn't, what's the punishment for not reaching this target?
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Post by Trident on Aug 19, 2019 16:40:36 GMT
Not too sure about your first question, but I'd hazard a guess the buses were running early? With your second question, there is no option on the system to enter in the number of minutes. Just the bog standard service regulation announcement. I think you should be able to press the service regulation button, then it should come up with a menu asking you how long for (2, 3, 5 minutes etc.), so that can be announced as well. It should announce something like 'The driver has been instructed to wait at this bus stop for approximately # minutes to help even out the service'. Yes! An implementation like the one you described is exactly what's needed. It's too easy for drivers to simply activate the current announcement message and do nothing else. It should be made mandatory to tell passenger how long they're waiting. Possibly made worse because school is on holiday and standard timetables are in place. There would be plenty of cases where the driver coming off reaches early, i.e. 5 or so mins early, takeover driver doesn't want to be told to hold back etc. so comes to takeover on time. That's understandable. But this is a regular occurrence even during term time. I've noticed it's only been in the last year or so since this started happening regularly. Also, isn't there a set window to arrive at bus stops? I've read in previous posts that 2 mins early and 5 mins late is the allowed time. Perhaps this has changed. But assuming it hasn't, what's the punishment for not reaching this target? In your case, no because they are high frequency services. It doesn't matter how early or late your bus was at New Cross, as long as the buses were in their advertised headway at that point. 2 minutes early and 5 minutes late is how low frequency routes are measured from a QICs perspective.
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