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Post by snowman on Jul 21, 2019 11:56:04 GMT
What's the plan for the 406? Obviously it didn't get it's intended SPs from the 65 during it's retention and probably never will. So I'm guessing ADEs from the 81 will eventually end up on the route by the timeframe you suggested? I don’t think that will happen as the 266 is to use the 81’s ADE’s for its new contract. I’m not sure what the 406 will end up with but if I was to guess, some SP’s eventually become spare and are moved to the 406. My thoughts were that the 81s ADEs might be short term on 266 Subsequently replaced by ADHs from 94 in March Possibly those 15 ADEs will be split 10-12 to Epsom, remainder join others on Harrow area routes
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Post by gazza76 on Jul 21, 2019 12:06:28 GMT
Maybe ADE could go to bt for the 79
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Post by busdryver on Jul 21, 2019 22:00:58 GMT
I don’t think that will happen as the 266 is to use the 81’s ADE’s for its new contract. I’m not sure what the 406 will end up with but if I was to guess, some SP’s eventually become spare and are moved to the 406. My thoughts were that the 81s ADEs might be short term on 266 Subsequently replaced by ADHs from 94 in March Possibly those 15 ADEs will be split 10-12 to Epsom, remainder join others on Harrow area routes All the ADEs are going to the 266, will be refurbished - they won’t swap again.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 21, 2019 22:12:43 GMT
I don’t think that will happen as the 266 is to use the 81’s ADE’s for its new contract. I’m not sure what the 406 will end up with but if I was to guess, some SP’s eventually become spare and are moved to the 406. My thoughts were that the 81s ADEs might be short term on 266 Subsequently replaced by ADHs from 94 in March Possibly those 15 ADEs will be split 10-12 to Epsom, remainder join others on Harrow area routes Wasn't the rest of the 266s allocation meant to be ADHs from the 94, a few from the E3 and 3 buses from the 285? Not to mention it doesn't look like the route will be cut to Acton in December so it may need a few more buses than it was awarded with. Does anyone know what's been ordered for the 395? I might have missed it but it was awarded with new buses and I don't think anything has been mentioned on here.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 21, 2019 22:15:41 GMT
Maybe ADE could go to bt for the 79 Good to see someone else thinks the 79 should get newer buses. I'd like the 79 to get the 94's ADHs when the electrics arrive at S
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Post by LT 20181 on Jul 21, 2019 23:33:13 GMT
Maybe ADE could go to bt for the 79 Good to see someone else thinks the 79 should get newer buses. I'd like the 79 to get the 94's ADHs when the electrics arrive at S I’d like to see an ADE commonfleet with the 79/142/258
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Post by busdryver on Jul 21, 2019 23:35:42 GMT
Maybe ADE could go to bt for the 79 Good to see someone else thinks the 79 should get newer buses. I'd like the 79 to get the 94's ADHs when the electrics arrive at S The 79 will get its VHs back at the end of the H91 contract - all that has happened is that contractually they have been swapped.
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Post by busdryver on Jul 21, 2019 23:37:09 GMT
My thoughts were that the 81s ADEs might be short term on 266 Subsequently replaced by ADHs from 94 in March Possibly those 15 ADEs will be split 10-12 to Epsom, remainder join others on Harrow area routes Wasn't the rest of the 266s allocation meant to be ADHs from the 94, a few from the E3 and 3 buses from the 285? Not to mention it doesn't look like the route will be cut to Acton in December so it may need a few more buses than it was awarded with. Does anyone know what's been ordered for the 395? I might have missed it but it was awarded with new buses and I don't think anything has been mentioned on here. It was awarded on the basis of the cut back - it is due ADHs from E3/27/94 - plus a couple of VHs from the 285. I understand that the VHs might not actually come now, being replaced with something else.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 21, 2019 23:43:34 GMT
Good to see someone else thinks the 79 should get newer buses. I'd like the 79 to get the 94's ADHs when the electrics arrive at S The 79 will get its VHs back at the end of the H91 contract - all that has happened is that contractually they have been swapped. If the H91 is retained by RATP, I could see the it instead keeping the VHs, with the 79 instead receiving the remaining ADHs from the 94.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 21, 2019 23:46:09 GMT
Wasn't the rest of the 266s allocation meant to be ADHs from the 94, a few from the E3 and 3 buses from the 285? Not to mention it doesn't look like the route will be cut to Acton in December so it may need a few more buses than it was awarded with. Does anyone know what's been ordered for the 395? I might have missed it but it was awarded with new buses and I don't think anything has been mentioned on here. It was awarded on the basis of the cut back - it is due ADHs from E3/27/94 - plus a couple of VHs from the 285. I understand that the VHs might not actually come now, being replaced with something else. The 266 is also due to be allocated the ADEs from the 81. My prediction is that the 3 spare VHs from HH (LC67*** examples) will move to S temporarily instead, releasing a further 3 ADHs to route 266 - with the 266 reduced to just ADEs and ADHs. Then once the 94's electrics enter service, these 3 VHs plus the 94's existing 16reg VHs would all move to FW for the 65, fully converting the route to hybrid.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 21, 2019 23:48:25 GMT
Good to see someone else thinks the 79 should get newer buses. I'd like the 79 to get the 94's ADHs when the electrics arrive at S I’d like to see an ADE commonfleet with the 79/142/258 I think ADHs would be more likely. The 81's ADEs are due for the 266, while some ADHs from the 94 will be unallocated once released, and a suitable number for the 79's TVR. The 258 already has a part allocation of ADHs anyway. If the 79 gets ADHs, BT would simply have a common pool of ADEs/ADHs for all DD routes except the 139. Of course the 139 is up for tender soon, so could be lost to W or X, or if retained the 139 could get new vehicles, maybe more BYD/ADLs like the 94 due to the route serving Oxford Street and other busy or polluted corridors in central London.
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Post by Londonbuses54 on Jul 22, 2019 6:34:28 GMT
On the contrary to that I’ve never had a G3 where the air cooling doesn’t work. As much as I think the G3 is a rubbish bus (mainly in terms of quality etc) the air cooling is without doubt one of few brilliant thing about it. I like RATP interior on these buses. The grey panels and seat coverings, and yes, on all of them I’ve been on the cooling system is very good. I think RATP definitely has one of the best interiors. The moquette and colours look amazing on the ADH MMC’s
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 22, 2019 8:43:22 GMT
Wasn't the rest of the 266s allocation meant to be ADHs from the 94, a few from the E3 and 3 buses from the 285? Not to mention it doesn't look like the route will be cut to Acton in December so it may need a few more buses than it was awarded with. Does anyone know what's been ordered for the 395? I might have missed it but it was awarded with new buses and I don't think anything has been mentioned on here. It was awarded on the basis of the cut back - it is due ADHs from E3/27/94 - plus a couple of VHs from the 285. I understand that the VHs might not actually come now, being replaced with something else. That doesn't mean it will be cut back. The 104 should have been split into two, the 330 should have been extended, the 75 should be cut to West Croydon if everything was done strictly on renewal date.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 22, 2019 9:47:50 GMT
The 79 will get its VHs back at the end of the H91 contract - all that has happened is that contractually they have been swapped. If the H91 is retained by RATP, I could see the it instead keeping the VHs, with the 79 instead receiving the remaining ADHs from the 94. The poster has information from a good source as we've seen on several occasions now so if they say the 79 is to get its HV's back like the 262 & 473 with the WH's, then I'm inclined to go with that.
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Post by LT 20181 on Jul 22, 2019 10:06:55 GMT
If the H91 is retained by RATP, I could see the it instead keeping the VHs, with the 79 instead receiving the remaining ADHs from the 94. The poster has information from a good source as we've seen on several occasions now so if they say the 79 is to get its HV's back like the 262 & 473 with the WH's, then I'm inclined to go with that. VHs*, not HVs
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