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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 27, 2018 21:45:01 GMT
It would require a lot of compensation for RATP should that happen though, they're not even a year into the 10s new contract. In comparison the 23 is not too far from the end of its contract. If the 139 were to be considered for LT-conversion is connection with the 10/23 changes, it may affect which operators are compensated as the 139's contract hasn't got long left either (the continuation of the original route 13's contract). Maybe it could be put out to tender at the end of contract on the basis that LTs have to be used, with the 10's LTs transferring elsewhere if the 139 is lost. If there is a swap such that the route 10/23 replacement gains VHs from route 139, and route 139 LTs from route 10, then these LTs would surely stay with route 139 even if it changes operator, such as back to Metroline.
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Post by rhys on Jan 27, 2018 21:57:45 GMT
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 27, 2018 21:58:57 GMT
I am considering visiting Kingston on June 30th when the tender renewals take place. I specifically hope that route K4 already has its new buses by then but that route K2 retains ex-NCL E200s at that stage. Route K3 would surely need new buses first as it is a tender gain (from Abellio).
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Post by snowman on Jan 27, 2018 22:09:01 GMT
LOTs TLB November mentions an experimental bus WH45252
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 22:10:19 GMT
LOTs TLB November mentions an experimental bus WH45252 The micro hybrid right? Also it seems as if AV or FW is due more VHs.
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Post by snowman on Jan 27, 2018 22:20:14 GMT
LOTs TLB November mentions an experimental bus WH45252 The micro hybrid right? Also it seems as if AV or FW is due more VHs. Looking through Alistair Liddle pics from today, there is VH45255 blinded for 203 and VH45257 blinded for 216 (both normally single deck routes) AV and HH share a blindset and HH does operate one bus on 216 (main fleet is FW), I’m guessing probably part of TA replacement on H32
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Post by vjaska on Jan 27, 2018 22:27:43 GMT
The micro hybrid right? Also it seems as if AV or FW is due more VHs. Looking through Alistair Liddle pics from today, there is VH45255 blinded for 203 and VH45257 blinded for 216 (both normally single deck routes) AV and HH share a blindset and HH does operate one bus on 216 (main fleet is FW), I’m guessing probably part of TA replacement on H32 Wouldn’t the H32 get it’s SP’s back instead?
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Post by Jack on Jan 27, 2018 22:30:56 GMT
The micro hybrid right? Also it seems as if AV or FW is due more VHs. Looking through Alistair Liddle pics from today, there is VH45255 blinded for 203 and VH45257 blinded for 216 (both normally single deck routes) AV and HH share a blindset and HH does operate one bus on 216 (main fleet is FW), I’m guessing probably part of TA replacement on H32 635 buses?
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Post by paulo on Jan 27, 2018 23:43:12 GMT
Looking through Alistair Liddle pics from today, there is VH45255 blinded for 203 and VH45257 blinded for 216 (both normally single deck routes) AV and HH share a blindset and HH does operate one bus on 216 (main fleet is FW), I’m guessing probably part of TA replacement on H32 635 buses? Yes, these are the ones for the 635. If they do indeed go to HH for which they were ordered, it could lead to 3 SPs from the 40191-206 H91 batch moving elsewhere, possibly to AV for TA replacement. I can’t see then going straight to AV unless they are now to form part of the 105 win.
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Post by snowman on Jan 28, 2018 8:07:45 GMT
Yes, these are the ones for the 635. If they do indeed go to HH for which they were ordered, it could lead to 3 SPs from the 40191-206 H91 batch moving elsewhere, possibly to AV for TA replacement. I can’t see then going straight to AV unless they are now to form part of the 105 win. There has been PVR reductions recently 281 and 285 which should have released some buses and allow moves Adding these 3 new VHs should indirectly allow 3 TAs to leave (the direct replacements 3 TLAs have already stopped)
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 28, 2018 8:26:20 GMT
If the 139 were to be considered for LT-conversion is connection with the 10/23 changes, it may affect which operators are compensated as the 139's contract hasn't got long left either (the continuation of the original route 13's contract). Maybe it could be put out to tender at the end of contract on the basis that LTs have to be used, with the 10's LTs transferring elsewhere if the 139 is lost. If there is a swap such that the route 10/23 replacement gains VHs from route 139, and route 139 LTs from route 10, then these LTs would surely stay with route 139 even if it changes operator, such as back to Metroline. If the 139 were to convert to LTs using vehicles from the 10, as the 139 is nearing the end of its contract, the 139 could take over the existing 10 contract with RATP. The new 10/23 route would then be put out to tender.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 28, 2018 8:39:44 GMT
To clarify above posts, the 635 is likely to use the 3 15-reg VHs released by the 285's PVR reduction. They are already at HH, and this keeps the batch in one place. The new VHs (originally ordered for the 635) could form part of the 105's allocation (unless an alternative use is found). If this is the case, depending on the outcome of the 94's tender, the 16-reg VHs at S could form the remainder of the 105's allocation, with no need to order any new buses. A temporary allocation would be needed until the vehicles are available however.
Regarding the H32, the route is allocated SPs, however I am not sure which ones as a number of batches have ended up at multiple garages including AV. As far as I'm aware, no RATP route is allocated any TAs or TLAs, with most school routes being retained recently with existing SPs (the remaining TAs are probably now for refurb cover or logistical spares). Currently, the H32's allocation is partly being used on the 81, and partly as refurb cover on the 111 and routes at other garages.
When existing vehicles have been refurbished, and the new ADHs enter service, the 81 should regain a full ADE allocation and the H32 a full SP allocation. This is because more ADEs moved from AV to BT than required/intended (taking the ex-120/222 vehicles plus 4 from the 81), presumably as cover until the new ADHs enter service. Even if the MMCs were not to end up at BT, an indirect fleet movement would have the same result.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 10:34:36 GMT
MMC into BT ADE into AV back on 81 SP from 81 back onto H32 New VH into HH onto H91 ex 285 VH onto H91/635* allowing spare SP from HH into AV onto H32 ?
This would allow partial Hybrid conversion of H91 for Chiswick High Rd , H32 Trident replacement.
Any spare SP at FW should really just oust any TA still at FW and TV
*635 allocation is joint with H91 MFSch
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 30, 2018 18:51:35 GMT
The new ADHs will be registered YY67UUO/P/R/S, and are coded ADH45258-61.
Is there a reason why they have not been coded ADH45052-5 to follow on from the 27's batch, similar to how the 15-reg G3 VHs follow on from the 13-reg G2 VHs?
Any updates on where/when these will enter service (the 258's original contract start date is 3rd Feb).
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Post by paulo on Jan 30, 2018 19:43:05 GMT
The new ADHs will be registered YY67UUO/P/R/S, and are coded ADH45258-61. Is there a reason why they have not been coded ADH45052-5 to follow on from the 27's batch, similar to how the 15-reg G3 VHs follow on from the 13-reg G2 VHs? Any updates on where/when these will enter service (the 258's original contract start date is 3rd Feb). I think you will find that RATP will now do the continuous numbering approach for all DDs and SDs which is pretty dull.
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