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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 10:52:56 GMT
So even with the spare ADHs from the E3 PVR cut and the 94 (which may see new buses) that's still alot of new ones needed is no SPs will get upgraded. I can imagine the ADEs going to the 79. Yes, around 120-130 buses SPs (depending on PVR changes by October 2020) could still be around. Route 139 is up for tender, and both the 285 and 116 might be tendered (if no 2 year extension). Also another route may convert to LTs. But realistically probably looking at early replacement of 60-100 SPs if none get upgraded. RATP could also acquire some surplus lease buses (not that it has done this in past). My thoughts are ~25 electric double decks (end 2019 for 94) and another ~25 (for either 139 or 220 summer 2020) with remainder as new mini hybrid deckers (for routes like 71, 111 etc). this is a wild guess. And a bit of wild speculation, but if the 139 is retained, with electrics, and RATP want S to be 100% electric, perhaps the route will run from there instead of BT. 72 could easily run from RP or even TV to make space,
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Post by COBO on Jan 18, 2019 11:53:41 GMT
Yes, around 120-130 buses SPs (depending on PVR changes by October 2020) could still be around. Route 139 is up for tender, and both the 285 and 116 might be tendered (if no 2 year extension). Also another route may convert to LTs. But realistically probably looking at early replacement of 60-100 SPs if none get upgraded. RATP could also acquire some surplus lease buses (not that it has done this in past). My thoughts are ~25 electric double decks (end 2019 for 94) and another ~25 (for either 139 or 220 summer 2020) with remainder as new mini hybrid deckers (for routes like 71, 111 etc). this is a wild guess. And a bit of wild speculation, but if the 139 is retained, with electrics, and RATP want S to be 100% electric, perhaps the route will run from there instead of BT. 72 could easily run from RP or even TV to make space, And what about the 148? Because those LTs aren't electric.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 12:27:27 GMT
And a bit of wild speculation, but if the 139 is retained, with electrics, and RATP want S to be 100% electric, perhaps the route will run from there instead of BT. 72 could easily run from RP or even TV to make space, And what about the 148? Because those LTs aren't electric. Good point.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 18, 2019 12:38:35 GMT
Competition will be high for the 139 with Metroline I would imagine so either an existing (13reg) bus bid or newer buses possibly from SP replacements used to keep costs down.
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Post by i3lu on Jan 18, 2019 13:10:18 GMT
ADH45006 is currently undergoing a refurb at Hants and Dorset Trim for the 293's contract. Suprisingly DE20068 is also being refurbished there, wonder what that's all about unless RATP are converting it to a trainer? Can't imagine it's staying in service any more, that bus was awful when I had it on the 371 once. Is DE20068 being refurbished for RATP, or for a new owner ? It has been repainted with the same livery. Probably for the 224.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 18, 2019 14:17:02 GMT
Is DE20068 being refurbished for RATP, or for a new owner ? It has been repainted with the same livery. Probably for the 224. The 224 already has its buses - the new batch of DLE’s plus DLE30049. I believe DE20068 is earmarked for the training fleet which would explain why it was at Hants & Dorset.
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Post by i3lu on Jan 18, 2019 14:52:21 GMT
It has been repainted with the same livery. Probably for the 224. The 224 already has its buses - the new batch of DLE’s plus DLE30049. I believe DE20068 is earmarked for the training fleet which would explain why it was at Hants & Dorset. The allocated batch of 224 shouldn't be moving to 440 as LU retained with MMCs from May 2019? I lost tracking the news about 224/440 fleet swapping.
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Post by Mokujin on Jan 18, 2019 15:57:57 GMT
The 224 already has its buses - the new batch of DLE’s plus DLE30049. I believe DE20068 is earmarked for the training fleet which would explain why it was at Hants & Dorset. The allocated batch of 224 shouldn't be moving to 440 as LU retained with MMCs from May 2019? I lost tracking the news about 224/440 fleet swapping. 224 already has it’s DLEs, DLE30049 & DLE30308 - DLE30315. 440 is getting it’s own batch in May.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 18, 2019 16:25:18 GMT
The 224 already has its buses - the new batch of DLE’s plus DLE30049. I believe DE20068 is earmarked for the training fleet which would explain why it was at Hants & Dorset. The allocated batch of 224 shouldn't be moving to 440 as LU retained with MMCs from May 2019? I lost tracking the news about 224/440 fleet swapping. The fleet swap was only to happen if the 224 restriction wasn't lifted - it subsequently was and the 224 got it's batch of DLE's. DLE30049 moved over as a spare as only 8 were ordered in preparation for the PVR cut sometime in the future.
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Post by jordzjohn123 on Jan 18, 2019 19:11:21 GMT
The allocated batch of 224 shouldn't be moving to 440 as LU retained with MMCs from May 2019? I lost tracking the news about 224/440 fleet swapping. 224 already has it’s DLEs, DLE30049 & DLE30308 - DLE30315. 440 is getting it’s own batch in May. The 272 and 440s batch may even arrive before May
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Post by 725DYE on Jan 18, 2019 21:35:58 GMT
Looks like the only Versa still in use are : At EB 30071, 72, 74, 77, 78, 83 At FW 30101-105, 107-112, 114-116, 119, 150 At RP 30161, 165 There is a new batch of 16 DLEs being delivered 30332-30347 which go to V for 391 These should release the loaned DEs (from 33) back to FW to replace 16 at FW The pair at RP are covering DEs that are VOR, DLE30049 is also covering Not sure what latest Versa replacement plan is at Epsom, but DLE 30050-52 still seem to be at S, possibly got to wait until proposed 110+419 merger as 30049-52 are only 4 buses, not 6. Interestingly some longer DXE have worked 465 at times, so maybe more of the longer version would be useful as they have flexibility to also do 293 Seems Epsom fixed a few of the Versas as when I checked the other day, a few of the long term ones had returned to service. Apologies for the late reply but I would hope that these long term VOR Versas have had some mechanical attention (and hopefully some bodywork works as well). When I was last in Dorking, some of the OVs (especially the 60-reg) were in a simply a horrendous state. This is something you don't often see from Epsom...
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Post by thebusguy on Jan 19, 2019 7:20:09 GMT
Anyone know what the 406 is getting, or has it not been announced? As far as I know the new DD Hybrids are to replace all but 2 07 plate ADEs. Will it be my prediction of Evocetis, or are we getting bog standard MMCs?
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Post by paulo on Jan 19, 2019 9:11:27 GMT
Anyone know what the 406 is getting, or has it not been announced? As far as I know the new DD Hybrids are to replace all but 2 07 plate ADEs. Will it be my prediction of Evocetis, or are we getting bog standard MMCs? Hopefully not Evocetis. Not a fan.
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Post by dennistas on Jan 19, 2019 9:19:38 GMT
Sorry if I've missed but what happens to the N9s Scanias from next Friday Night?
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Post by busoccultation on Jan 19, 2019 9:24:46 GMT
Sorry if I've missed but what happens to the N9s Scanias from next Friday Night? Nothing really, as the AV SP's are allocated to the 111 & H32 so they should still at AV and its just that there will be fewer SP's will be out on the road during the night.
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