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Post by portman227 on Apr 26, 2019 21:04:20 GMT
VH45313 and 45316 have made their first appearance today on the 65 Can confirm the use of the speed restriction. Don't see this working very well. I think makes more sense fully converting the 65 to speed intelligent buses. All that happened this afternoon was VH45316 was caught up by the SP behind it. Once overtook, it regained no ground at all and was running perpetually late. Terrible idea by TFL, literally taking away almost all control of the driver, controlling the speed, what’s next, controlling the steering wheel. It’s like TFL do not trust the drivers to drive the bus at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 21:28:59 GMT
Can confirm the use of the speed restriction. Don't see this working very well. I think makes more sense fully converting the 65 to speed intelligent buses. All that happened this afternoon was VH45316 was caught up by the SP behind it. Once overtook, it regained no ground at all and was running perpetually late. Terrible idea by TFL, literally taking away almost all control of the driver, controlling the speed, what’s next, controlling the steering wheel. It’s like TFL do not trust the drivers to drive the bus at all. It took a minute or two for it to change from 20mph in Ealing to 30mph in Brentford and Kew. I’m immediately unliking these new buses.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 22:07:46 GMT
VH45313 and 45316 have made their first appearance today on the 65 Can confirm the use of the speed restriction. Don't see this working very well. I think makes more sense fully converting the 65 to speed intelligent buses. All that happened this afternoon was VH45316 was caught up by the SP behind it. Once overtook, it regained no ground at all and was running perpetually late. Is the long term plan to replace the SPs on Route 65? Curious as to why more VHs were ordered.
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Post by george on Apr 26, 2019 22:11:52 GMT
Can confirm the use of the speed restriction. Don't see this working very well. I think makes more sense fully converting the 65 to speed intelligent buses. All that happened this afternoon was VH45316 was caught up by the SP behind it. Once overtook, it regained no ground at all and was running perpetually late. Is the long term plan to replace the SPs on Route 65? Curious as to why more VHs were ordered. The VHs where ordered for the 418 but it was probaly decided that there's no need for hybrids on there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 22:13:18 GMT
Is the long term plan to replace the SPs on Route 65? Curious as to why more VHs were ordered. The VHs where ordered for the 418 but it was probaly decided that there's no need for hybrids on there. Makes sense, great to see more VHs on the 65.
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Post by george on Apr 26, 2019 22:20:19 GMT
The VHs where ordered for the 418 but it was probaly decided that there's no need for hybrids on there. Makes sense, great to see more VHs on the 65. Would have prefered ADH I'm yet to travel on the one's on the 139.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 22:21:51 GMT
ADE40436 May be off the road for a couple of days. Car drove into the back of it in Watford today, bus was stationary at the time. More damage to the bus than the car !!?
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Post by redbus on Apr 26, 2019 22:53:46 GMT
Of course, an easy way for route 139 to gain new buses would be of it is reawarded to Metroline. As I've said before, I think Metroline will try hard to get the 139 back. Metroline got a raw deal from the Finchley Road changes and if I were Metroline I would want to avenge the losses. W is probably better placed to operate the 139 in its new form than it was in the route's old form, it remain to be seen but I think there's a good chance of electric buses for the route if Sadiq Khan really is serious about cleaning up the air on Oxford Street Remember that the 139 is really the 13 contract which has been with RATP and its predecessors for many years. The Finchley Road changes were not great for Metroline, but not terrible. Remember they lost the 13 (82) fair and square to TT and that would have happened even if there were no Finchley Road changes. If the 139 had been retendered there was no guarantee Metroline would have won it.
In respect of Metroline winning the upcoming 139 tender, who knows, and even if they did no guarantee of new buses as we have seen with other routes. If Metroline did win and had new buses it would mean yet more VMHs, we have enough of them in the area, 13, 30, 113, 274, so I would not be too keen on that. If it is Metrolne who win I hope it will be with electric buses, VMH problem solved!
I think RATP have a really good chance to retain the 139. They run the route well and seem quite competitive in NW London. Whilst Metroline will no doubt bid for the route, I do not think they just want it to fill garage space, they would want it to make money, that means a sensible tender price. This will be an interesting one to watch.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 26, 2019 23:17:57 GMT
Is the long term plan to replace the SPs on Route 65? Curious as to why more VHs were ordered. The VHs where ordered for the 418 but it was probaly decided that there's no need for hybrids on there. The VH's were ordered in conjunction with the 406 & 681 tender retains - the 418 did not receive any order of VH's.
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Post by george on Apr 26, 2019 23:20:58 GMT
The VHs where ordered for the 418 but it was probaly decided that there's no need for hybrids on there. The VH's were ordered in conjunction with the 406 & 681 tender retains - the 418 did not receive any order of VH's. Whoops couldn't remember whether it was 418 or 406.
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Post by snowman on Apr 27, 2019 5:25:30 GMT
The VHs where ordered for the 418 but it was probaly decided that there's no need for hybrids on there. The VH's were ordered in conjunction with the 406 & 681 tender retains - the 418 did not receive any order of VH's. Is it just the 8 for the 406 that have been delivered so far Or are the extra pair for 681 also now at FW ? Buses regularly swap between 406 and 418 at Kingston end, so regardless of the allocation on paper, transferred SPs likely to appear on any Epsom double deck route
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Post by snowman on Apr 27, 2019 5:58:06 GMT
Can confirm the use of the speed restriction. Don't see this working very well. I think makes more sense fully converting the 65 to speed intelligent buses. All that happened this afternoon was VH45316 was caught up by the SP behind it. Once overtook, it regained no ground at all and was running perpetually late. Is the long term plan to replace the SPs on Route 65? Curious as to why more VHs were ordered. 10 new buses had to be ordered for the 406 and 681 contract renewals in June-July, but these are diverted to 65 There had been rumours for months that more VHs for 65 will transfer from 94 if that gets new buses or is shortened (94 contract renews in December), but since gain of 266 all gone quiet as that route will obviously have first claim on any buses from 94 Depending on who you listen to (and there is nothing official yet, so feel free to take with pinch of salt), the 94 gets about 25 new electric buses, the 266 gets mix of ADHs from 94 and ADEs from lost 81, and a few VHs move to 65. Then there is a later phase depending on 139 tender result which may see current 139 fleet dispersed (139 contract ends summer 2020, couple of months before ULEZ expansion for buses)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 6:27:52 GMT
The 139’s existing vehicles are able to be used for another term aren’t they ? Arriva have similar age buses on the 29 which has also been retained with existing.
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Post by snowman on Apr 27, 2019 6:50:54 GMT
The 139’s existing vehicles are able to be used for another term aren’t they ? Arriva have similar age buses on the 29 which has also been retained with existing. Yes, can be used again, and are already upgraded to euroVI But there is the possibility of losing the route, or new contract getting new buses (possibly zero emission) Could also retain the fleet. Depending on tender result, indirectly affects about 26 SPs that could leave, or need upgrades for ULEZ
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Post by rif153 on Apr 27, 2019 7:26:29 GMT
Is the long term plan to replace the SPs on Route 65? Curious as to why more VHs were ordered. 10 new buses had to be ordered for the 406 and 681 contract renewals in June-July, but these are diverted to 65 There had been rumours for months that more VHs for 65 will transfer from 94 if that gets new buses or is shortened (94 contract renews in December), but since gain of 266 all gone quiet as that route will obviously have first claim on any buses from 94 Depending on who you listen to (and there is nothing official yet, so feel free to take with pinch of salt), the 94 gets about 25 new electric buses, the 266 gets mix of ADHs from 94 and ADEs from lost 81, and a few VHs move to 65. Then there is a later phase depending on 139 tender result which may see current 139 fleet dispersed (139 contract ends summer 2020, couple of months before ULEZ expansion for buses) I presume EB's ADEs going to withdrawn?
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