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Post by joefrombow on Oct 4, 2012 0:23:27 GMT
It can't be cost effective using those double decker tridents on a new route with low patronage , I wonder if those ex ensign darts are still knocking about maybe they could use them until more people start to use the service driving those tridents flat out can't be a very good return for your money when your bus is running near empty .
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Post by romfordbuses on Oct 4, 2012 0:24:11 GMT
I doubt TWH make that much of a profit (if any!) to get newer buses, Anyway if they did they'd be better off fixing up the ones they have already and getting a proper garage!
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Post by vjaska on Oct 4, 2012 0:53:58 GMT
It can't be cost effective using those double decker tridents on a new route with low patronage , I wonder if those ex ensign darts are still knocking about maybe they could use them until more people start to use the service driving those tridents flat out can't be a very good return for your money when your bus is running near empty . The thing is, you won't know it's a low patronage route until a few months time. No way I'm I saying your wrong as you could be easily right but it's early days yet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 13:41:17 GMT
It can't be cost effective using those double decker tridents on a new route with low patronage , I wonder if those ex ensign darts are still knocking about maybe they could use them until more people start to use the service driving those tridents flat out can't be a very good return for your money when your bus is running near empty . They already have plenty of single decks, with one of their MPDs already having operated the route: www.flickr.com/photos/britishbuses/8050036606/in/photostreamAnd also, operating the double-decks in the early days of the service must be a better advertisement and incentive to use the route.
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Post by romfordbuses on Oct 4, 2012 13:58:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 15:35:51 GMT
very incorrectly dressed bus. it needs a livery badly. the livery will make the route recognisable.
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Post by romfordbuses on Oct 4, 2012 15:48:45 GMT
Well, It's mainly in TWH livery just needs the gold lining to set it off imo. It's the blinds that ruins the look, You only have to look at the TP's to see how good a bus can be made to look by having decent blinds. It looks like they've just stuffed any blind frame they could find into it as it's off centre, The Stratford blind in the window looks like it would fit perfectly into the frame
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 16:59:10 GMT
That so poorly dressed it's impressive!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 17:54:39 GMT
That so poorly dressed it's impressive! The blue is nice though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 18:00:05 GMT
I do wished other companies would help out TWH on decorating their buses because they cant keep on putting numbers on the front of the window. So i think they need to have a blindset sorted out properly. and even have a proper livery so the commuters would recognise the bus and the route. So it can be red for when they serve the London areas and blue for their own area. I would like to see them doing at least 1 tender on the London Bus market. A low frequency one for starters.
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Post by romfordbuses on Oct 4, 2012 18:07:09 GMT
I do wished other companies would help out TWH on decorating their buses because they cant keep on putting numbers on the front of the window. Can I have some of what you take? ;D
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Post by vjaska on Oct 5, 2012 2:43:48 GMT
I do wished other companies would help out TWH on decorating their buses because they cant keep on putting numbers on the front of the window. So i think they need to have a blindset sorted out properly. and even have a proper livery so the commuters would recognise the bus and the route. So it can be red for when they serve the London areas and blue for their own area. I would like to see them doing at least 1 tender on the London Bus market. A low frequency one for starters. It's entirely up to TWH what colour they paint their bus, and remember, they are a small company and it's not uncommon for small companies to wait a while before painting a vehicle. It's not as simple as you think. Why should they paint vehicles that serve the London area red? They are not part of the TfL operations so do not need to abide by the 100% red rule and thank god they don't either. It's extremely unlikely that TWH will ever tender for a TfL route as they simply don't have the finance, premises or vehicles to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2012 3:42:30 GMT
I do wished other companies would help out TWH on decorating their buses because they cant keep on putting numbers on the front of the window. So i think they need to have a blindset sorted out properly. and even have a proper livery so the commuters would recognise the bus and the route. So it can be red for when they serve the London areas and blue for their own area. I would like to see them doing at least 1 tender on the London Bus market. A low frequency one for starters. It's entirely up to TWH what colour they paint their bus, and remember, they are a small company and it's not uncommon for small companies to wait a while before painting a vehicle. It's not as simple as you think. Why should they paint vehicles that serve the London area red? They are not part of the TfL operations so do not need to abide by the 100% red rule and thank god they don't either. It's extremely unlikely that TWH will ever tender for a TfL route as they simply don't have the finance, premises or vehicles to do so. For a company to run well in London you got to have several facilities which were mentioned previously on this thread which TWH dont have nor the fiance for it. Take a look at EnsignBus, they were a small company in Essex and started Off the same pace as TWH. Ensign previously operated in London around the 90s way before TFL was around and they seemed to made good money from it. Now if TWH learn a few things from EnsignBus then nothing should go wrong from there. I mean Engisn atm have/had ordered several Volvo B5Ls if im not mistaken.
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Post by VPL630 on Oct 5, 2012 15:41:22 GMT
It's entirely up to TWH what colour they paint their bus, and remember, they are a small company and it's not uncommon for small companies to wait a while before painting a vehicle. It's not as simple as you think. Why should they paint vehicles that serve the London area red? They are not part of the TfL operations so do not need to abide by the 100% red rule and thank god they don't either. It's extremely unlikely that TWH will ever tender for a TfL route as they simply don't have the finance, premises or vehicles to do so. For a company to run well in London you got to have several facilities which were mentioned previously on this thread which TWH dont have nor the fiance for it. Take a look at EnsignBus, they were a small company in Essex and started Off the same pace as TWH. Ensign previously operated in London around the 90s way before TFL was around and they seemed to made good money from it. Now if TWH learn a few things from EnsignBus then nothing should go wrong from there. I mean Engisn atm have/had ordered several Volvo B5Ls if im not mistaken. Ensignbus Volvo B5HL Hybrids should arrive at the end of October 501 502 503 504 505 506
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Post by snoggle on Oct 5, 2012 19:04:42 GMT
It's entirely up to TWH what colour they paint their bus, and remember, they are a small company and it's not uncommon for small companies to wait a while before painting a vehicle. It's not as simple as you think. Why should they paint vehicles that serve the London area red? They are not part of the TfL operations so do not need to abide by the 100% red rule and thank god they don't either. It's extremely unlikely that TWH will ever tender for a TfL route as they simply don't have the finance, premises or vehicles to do so. For a company to run well in London you got to have several facilities which were mentioned previously on this thread which TWH dont have nor the fiance for it. Take a look at EnsignBus, they were a small company in Essex and started Off the same pace as TWH. Ensign previously operated in London around the 90s way before TFL was around and they seemed to made good money from it. Now if TWH learn a few things from EnsignBus then nothing should go wrong from there. I mean Engisn atm have/had ordered several Volvo B5Ls if im not mistaken. Note - if people know the Ensign history better than I do then happy for corrections or comments to be postedI do not know the full history of Ensign but the Newman family are clearly very shrewd operators. They have had long term involvement in the sightseeing market and also bus sales. Their involvement in London grew steadily but they clearly took the view that London Regional Transport work was not their thing as LRT sought to tighten up the rules. Capital Citybus grew out of the remnants of the Ensign tendered work with Leon Daniels at the helm. This was after Stagecoach dumped the Frontrunner South East work that East Midland had won when they were an independent business. The scale of work in and around Romford grew overnight. CC obviously moved under First London in due course. I have had enough posting exchanges with the Newmans (on another group) to know they value their commercial freedom and would never operate under the TfL regime. To be honest they don't need to - their Thurrock network saw Arriva off and I can't believe First will take them on despite the recent X1 incursion to Basildon. They firmly believe in the deregulated way of running bus services and the people of Thurrock are lucky that Ensign believe in operating a good quality service. The bus sales unit seems to do decent trade but I'm no expert on how the second hand bus market works. I also believe Ensign own the City Sightseeing "brand" and accrue income from all of the CS franchises across the world. You don't manage that without having real business acumen and not a small share of luck. I would suggest that Ensign had a far better start in life in terms of running bus services because it was built on the foundations of a strong second hand bus sales business (flogging old LT buses!). I don't think you can really compare TWH and Ensign.
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