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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 17:22:12 GMT
Not really sure what this is about but no disrespect but you must be really out of touch if you think teenagers want to "hang out" in community centers ;D Come to my area, or "hood" as they call it (White City) and you'll find a small group of teenagers hanging round the local community centre. And no, i'm not defending him, it's just an observation that I agree with... |
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Post by wh541 on Apr 15, 2013 17:26:44 GMT
Not really sure what this is about but no disrespect but you must be really out of touch if you think teenagers want to "hang out" in community centers ;D Come to my area, or "hood" as they call it (White City) and you'll find a small group of teenagers hanging round the local community centre. And no, i'm not defending him, it's just an observation that I agree with... Well come to my "manor" blood and all you will find is stench of weed and trust me a community center is the last thing on the mind of the teens in E16 ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 17:58:46 GMT
well if i had my way i would put them into the army camp, they will be stripped to their pants and be given an army uniform, anything they have which causes them to commit criminal offense is to be destroyed. Then most of the problems would be solved as they would be busy training and being commanded by the drill instructor. But the Army offices is only down a road and it's where Mile End is...
It works in Finland, Russia, Belarus and Norway. But its best to reinstate it in Britain.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 18:08:43 GMT
well if i had my way i would put them into the army camp, they will be stripped to their pants and be given an army uniform, anything they have which causes them to commit criminal offense is to be destroyed. Then most of the problems would be solved as they would be busy training and being commanded by the drill instructor. But the Army offices is only down a road and it's where Mile End is... It works in Finland, Russia, Belarus and Norway. But its best to reinstate it in Britain. Russia and Belarus are hardly what you'd call free, lovely and happy societies. I have friends there, they are good people, but some people are silly like all others in the World. If i ever had the money i would move there as an expat. But i need to learn Russian.  I got connection all over the world you know all thanks to the wonderful invention called the Internet.  I dont tend to watch the BBC, i tend to get the news myself. |
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Post by TA1 on Apr 15, 2013 18:19:45 GMT
Russia and Belarus are hardly what you'd call free, lovely and happy societies. I have friends there, they are good people, but some people are silly like all others in the World. If i ever had the money i would move there as an expat. But i need to learn Russian. I got connection all over the world you know all thanks to the wonderful invention called the Internet. I dont tend to watch the BBC, i tend to get the news myself. It's obvious you gather your own news, Like corporate News stations. Their is usually a form of bias in certain aspects to over dramatize or speak under false pretense when regarding to a story. See, What bothers me is that you randomly pick different areas of London and base them as being bad as a result of statistic, A few weeks ago you regarded 'Hackney' as bad, Following the announcement of the Olympics coming to East London. LB of Hackney has seen a lot of investment put into regenerating the Area, newer apartments, improvements to facilities in Parks and Estates which gives residents a sense of pride in the area. I also previously aforementioned Dalston for example has seen a change in demographic with a young, trendy feel moving into the area which could be in conjunction with the vibrance of Shoreditch and Brick Lane and the improved transport links. LB Hackney has had over the last few years. Hackney is now on the tube map thanks to the overground which has given it a more elaborate status. The point i'm making again, How many crimes go unsolved and unreported. I think Police statistics are a ploy to induce 'fear' and or provide whoever with an understanding that they have things under control. They didn't a few summers ago, in certain cases they don't know. But that's my take on it. & You're telling me because of a statistic you're weary of going to an area because it's dangerous. You need to get out and live life man. The media induces fear and influences minds and beliefs. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 18:47:52 GMT
I have friends there, they are good people, but some people are silly like all others in the World. If i ever had the money i would move there as an expat. But i need to learn Russian. I got connection all over the world you know all thanks to the wonderful invention called the Internet. I dont tend to watch the BBC, i tend to get the news myself. It's obvious you gather your own news, Like corporate News stations. Their is usually a form of bias in certain aspects to over dramatize or speak under false pretense when regarding to a story. See, What bothers me is that you randomly pick different areas of London and base them as being bad as a result of statistic, A few weeks ago you regarded 'Hackney' as bad, Following the announcement of the Olympics coming to East London. LB of Hackney has seen a lot of investment put into regenerating the Area, newer apartments, improvements to facilities in Parks and Estates which gives residents a sense of pride in the area. I also previously aforementioned Dalston for example has seen a change in demographic with a young, trendy feel moving into the area which could be in conjunction with the vibrance of Shoreditch and Brick Lane and the improved transport links. LB Hackney has had over the last few years. Hackney is now on the tube map thanks to the overground which has given it a more elaborate status. The point i'm making again, How many crimes go unsolved and unreported. I think Police statistics are a ploy to induce 'fear' and or provide whoever with an understanding that they have things under control. They didn't a few summers ago, in certain cases they don't know. But that's my take on it. & You're telling me because of a statistic you're weary of going to an area because it's dangerous. You need to get out and live life man. The media induces fear and influences minds and beliefs. Well i know people that live in rough areas they had relatives who got mugged. And then during the night they keep on hearing gun fire on the daily basis. So how will the problem be overcome since the police funds and officers are being cut? |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 15, 2013 20:23:10 GMT
TA1 - Hackney is bad though so 'freebbc' is correct in identifying it as a bad place. As I mentioned before, no amount of investment or flooding in of yuppies will change that - a change of behaviour & morals would be more effective but I'm too doubtful that I'll see that happen. Brixton has had some investment across all areas but I'd still wouldn't venture through certain parts of it - day or night! The problem is investment in dodgy areas tends to mask over problems rather than solve them. People seem to think that a bunch of new houses or a nice overpriced Olympic Stadium will make crime go away. Changing people's behaviour, I'm sure, is a better solution.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 15, 2013 21:31:12 GMT
There's a pretty simple explanation for rising crime, it boils down to three things - a) Increasing population - generally more people in London. b) Increasing population density - increasing population in a fixed area has meant people are more packed together. c) People generally have less money, and the natural correlation is that the more poor the man on the street is, the higher crime rates tend to be. If you looked at the poorest areas in the UK, they'd probably line up with the areas with the highest crime - deprivation brings crime, and London has a lot of deprivation. How will all of that going to be overturned? I dont want to end up like China. With the people that have less money, why haven't the council and megacorporations give them jobs? I would have conscription back as well. Plus would i be robbed for having a smart phone and a camera? I would think non medication drugs should be banned. If they want to take drugs, they can go to Holland and do it there. Its their rules not mine. Plus the communities need rebuilding and the propaganda from the media which promotes violence in their culture needs banning because it causes them to encourage. Plus the teenagers need community clubs to hang out instead of hanging out and causing trouble to innocent people to the streets. There should be a living wage for all people because they should have savings instead of it all go to tax so the politicians can waste it which are against our interests Also having £1 million on their pay check. Its all common sense what people need. For me money is nothing because i believe its all made out of thin air. There are ways to cut crime without making laws and having armed forces and armed response team on every corner of the street. But we are not living in a 3rd world country we are living in a civilised society and the people need to have common sense. Regeneration needs to start I am sorry but you really, really need to stop reading conspiracy theories and speculation. It is quite a time since I have read such a load of confused thinking. To suggest that having conscription is some sort of panacea for society's ills is simply ridiculous. You'll be telling me next that there is no crime in Russia or Belarus. They have as much dissent, vandalism, drugs and far, far more drunkenness (all that vodka) than we have. Your demands about jobs and spending are not founded in the reality of life. The economy is shot to bits and may be in a dire state for a long while. Jobs don't just fall out of the sky and people need to show they're the best person for a job. No such thing as being "entitled" to a job these days. Believe me when I say that London is in a far, far better economic state than other parts of the UK. If you think Hackney is bad then don't visit the arse end of Liverpool or Stoke on Trent or Manchester. I was in Liverpool a few weeks ago for the first time in 25 years and while the centre had seen some regeneration I also saw some really, really badly run down suburbs. I was shocked and I'm a Northerner by birth so not unfamiliar with economic decline and deprivation. Oh and MPs don't get paid £1m a year [1]. Given the job they do they are very badly paid compared to senior people in private industry. Plenty of people get paid multiples of what David Cameron earns as Prime Minister. [1] some MPs are very well off but that is because of either inherited wealth in their families, marrying into wealth or having made their fortunes before entering parliament. I do hope you will put in some time and effort to get yourself familiar with facts rather than mad media coverage and conspiracy nonsense.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 23:27:34 GMT
Well i am always anxious when I go out and about. but regardless of what area, i still get anxious. But I worry which individual is good or bad in this planet? :s But as I read the media it causes me to lose my confidence to leave my door step. So I dont know anyone but I do hope there is something to keep all of us safe. I even been told by people that lived in so called "rough areas" that they told me they end up in a fight by random people. :S so thats how i lost my confidence.
But there's the internet where i can see information like Live feeds of the buses. Thanks to the Internet and the experienced and innovative people that done that.
But I am truely brainwashed by Conspiracy theories and mad media coverage on the web and it is hard to get it out of my head in order to see the reality.
But the economy collapse is all a myth in my opinion, i been told that people predicting about it in the 70's that the economy will collapse in 20 years... But now nothing is collapse, Buses and trains are still running and people moan about rises on fares and food prices.
everyone has problems...
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 25, 2013 7:26:18 GMT
Well i am always anxious when I go out and about. but regardless of what area, i still get anxious. But I worry which individual is good or bad in this planet? :s But as I read the media it causes me to lose my confidence to leave my door step. So I dont know anyone but I do hope there is something to keep all of us safe. I even been told by people that lived in so called "rough areas" that they told me they end up in a fight by random people. :S so thats how i lost my confidence. But there's the internet where i can see information like Live feeds of the buses. Thanks to the Internet and the experienced and innovative people that done that. But I am truely brainwashed by Conspiracy theories and mad media coverage on the web and it is hard to get it out of my head in order to see the reality. But the economy collapse is all a myth in my opinion, i been told that people predicting about it in the 70's that the economy will collapse in 20 years... But now nothing is collapse, Buses and trains are still running and people moan about rises on fares and food prices. everyone has problems... Sorry to hear about your anxieties, don't worry about venturing outside Life can be a female dog but you just have to be a female dog back As you say everywhere has its problems. In rich areas there's still crime, just a different type  Just look what happened to that poor kid on the 393 yesterday in Islington, a supposed 'affluent' area. |
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Post by beaver14uk on Apr 25, 2013 7:35:15 GMT
Go to South Africa they live behind gates at their houses, what a way to live its not all bad here. quote author=kwasi3000 board=general thread=7236 post=200801 time=1366874778] Well i am always anxious when I go out and about. but regardless of what area, i still get anxious. But I worry which individual is good or bad in this planet? :s But as I read the media it causes me to lose my confidence to leave my door step. So I dont know anyone but I do hope there is something to keep all of us safe. I even been told by people that lived in so called "rough areas" that they told me they end up in a fight by random people. :S so thats how i lost my confidence. But there's the internet where i can see information like Live feeds of the buses. Thanks to the Internet and the experienced and innovative people that done that. But I am truely brainwashed by Conspiracy theories and mad media coverage on the web and it is hard to get it out of my head in order to see the reality. But the economy collapse is all a myth in my opinion, i been told that people predicting about it in the 70's that the economy will collapse in 20 years... But now nothing is collapse, Buses and trains are still running and people moan about rises on fares and food prices. everyone has problems... Sorry to hear about your anxieties, don't worry about venturing outside Life can be a female dog but you just have to be a female dog back As you say everywhere has its problems. In rich areas there's still crime, just a different type Just look what happened to that poor kid on the 393 yesterday in Islington, a supposed 'affluent' area.[/quote] |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 26, 2013 8:23:11 GMT
Well i am always anxious when I go out and about. but regardless of what area, i still get anxious. But I worry which individual is good or bad in this planet? :s But as I read the media it causes me to lose my confidence to leave my door step. So I dont know anyone but I do hope there is something to keep all of us safe. I even been told by people that lived in so called "rough areas" that they told me they end up in a fight by random people. :S so thats how i lost my confidence. But there's the internet where i can see information like Live feeds of the buses. Thanks to the Internet and the experienced and innovative people that done that. But I am truely brainwashed by Conspiracy theories and mad media coverage on the web and it is hard to get it out of my head in order to see the reality. But the economy collapse is all a myth in my opinion, i been told that people predicting about it in the 70's that the economy will collapse in 20 years... But now nothing is collapse, Buses and trains are still running and people moan about rises on fares and food prices. everyone has problems... I think you should just make some small steps to go places and take things slowly. The only way past anxiety is to gain some experiences that go OK and which start to give you some confidence. I won't lie and say it's easy - it sometimes isn't. There is actually nothing wrong with some sorts of anxiety - it keeps us on our toes when we genuinely face "danger" but we do not face danger every time we step out of our front doors. If we spend our time being worried then we will look worried when we go out and this can give off the wrong vibes. However the reality is that millions of people in London go about their business day in, day out without encountering any trouble whatsoever. The simple way not to become trapped by conspiracy theories is to stop reading them. We can all be cynical about the world around us and politicians but it is not worth the effort. There are better things to do with your time. No one has said the economy has collapsed. There is a depression which reflects the way various markets work. Those markets are not working as effectively as they usually do. Even in war zones you rarely get complete economic collapse because people need to buy and sell things to survive. To sell things people need to make them which requires labour, capital, machinery, raw materials. All an economy is is a collection of people trading in a range of activities. It is self evident that the UK has loads of people trading so we do not have "collapse". |
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Post by rambo on May 18, 2013 16:52:03 GMT
People make slums/bad areas, not the buildings.
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Post by l1group on Jul 15, 2013 6:49:15 GMT
People make slums/bad areas, not the buildings. In my opinion, that's kinda correct. I find quite a bit of East London as "fine", even if buildings suggest otherwise Some parts of West London (e.g. White City) may be regenerated, yet the people are still the same, so the area hasn't exactly changed pre-Westfield. So, indeed people make an area, not buildings. However, I don't have an example of a place with bad buildings, yet good people... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 23:19:42 GMT
People make slums/bad areas, not the buildings. In my opinion, that's kinda correct. I find quite a bit of East London as "fine", even if buildings suggest otherwise Some parts of West London (e.g. White City) may be regenerated, yet the people are still the same, so the area hasn't exactly changed pre-Westfield. So, indeed people make an area, not buildings. However, I don't have an example of a place with bad buildings, yet good people...I been in a area in Ireland where there are abandoned buildings...etc but there are good people there as i know of. Its because people know eachother. |
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I dont tend to watch the BBC, i tend to get the news myself. 
Just look what happened to that poor kid on the 393 yesterday in Islington, a supposed 'affluent' area.
