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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jul 2, 2013 22:20:56 GMT
I live on the P13 route and it's the 'last choice' route. If I shop at Dog Kennel Hill Sainsburys, I'd rather wait for a 176 or 185 than travel round the back of East Dulwich on a cramped single decker which seems to get it's fair share of Dulwich tractors (buggies), long gaps in service, the long winded trip to Peckham and the pointless section between Peckham and New Cross Sainsburys (served by plenty of other routes) where it runs along Queens Road instead of serving Asylum Road as it did previously.
However, the section between Lordship Lane - The Grove and Streatham is useful as a near main service to connect those who live in that part of Dulwich with Tulse Hill and Streatham.
The route like the P12 is long winded and really should only be used as a feeder service for those passengers who need to connect to main bus routes or the rail stations on the route otherwise.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 3, 2013 10:14:11 GMT
The P13 does help the P12 with that round the corner link from Queens Road into Peckham Rye, which plenty of punters use to get between their homes and the retails. No other bus route in the area does this, though the 37 use to do garage journeys along Queens Road to NX during its Routemaster incarnation.
I often travel nearly the whole routing of the P13 as part of my trek from Mitcham to Deptford, where my girlfriend now lives.
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Post by Steve80 on Jul 3, 2013 15:35:02 GMT
Yes, those punters get on my nerves. They board at Peckham rye and get off any of those stops on queens road. Im thinking why don't they just go to Peckham bus station and get many of the higher frequency routes there. Same with new cross sainsburys bus stop. Several passengers board there and most get off at the next stop at new cross bus garage where I then pick up even more and some stay on the bus beyond Peckham. Despite my dislike of picking up passengers, I do realise that the P13 provides a useful service to passengers between new cross and Peckham. Why get rid of a service that's doing such a job. Also, have you tried walking from new cross gate to new cross saisnburys? As for asylum road. Im glad the P13 no longer serves that section as the route was too busy then. I was surprised that they got rid of that section though. I believe it had something to do with reliability issues? I remember one time I was trapped as two P12s and one other P13 couldn't get past each other. Waited there for about 10 minutes lol
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Post by sw11simon on Jul 7, 2013 7:37:57 GMT
Yes, those punters get on my nerves. They board at Peckham rye and get off any of those stops on queens road. Im thinking why don't they just go to Peckham bus station and get many of the higher frequency routes there. Same with new cross sainsburys bus stop. Several passengers board there and most get off at the next stop at new cross bus garage where I then pick up even more and some stay on the bus beyond Peckham. Despite my dislike of picking up passengers, I do realise that the P13 provides a useful service to passengers between new cross and Peckham. Why get rid of a service that's doing such a job. Also, have you tried walking from new cross gate to new cross saisnburys? As for asylum road. Im glad the P13 no longer serves that section as the route was too busy then. I was surprised that they got rid of that section though. I believe it had something to do with reliability issues? I remember one time I was trapped as two P12s and one other P13 couldn't get past each other. Waited there for about 10 minutes lol I think the P12 frequency was increased when the P13 was removed from Asylum Road but I may be wrong. There certainly are issues with buses being trapped by bad parking along Asylum Road - I have experienced it myself whilst travelling (I never drove the P12 - could never be bothered to learn it properly and never completely got to grips with the route between Peckham and Brockley. The only route I drove from Peckham was the 37 although I knew the 63/363)
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Post by M1104 on Jul 7, 2013 13:28:34 GMT
Yes, those punters get on my nerves. They board at Peckham rye and get off any of those stops on queens road. Im thinking why don't they just go to Peckham bus station and get many of the higher frequency routes there. Same with new cross sainsburys bus stop. Several passengers board there and most get off at the next stop at new cross bus garage where I then pick up even more and some stay on the bus beyond Peckham. Despite my dislike of picking up passengers, I do realise that the P13 provides a useful service to passengers between new cross and Peckham. Why get rid of a service that's doing such a job. Also, have you tried walking from new cross gate to new cross saisnburys? As for asylum road. Im glad the P13 no longer serves that section as the route was too busy then. I was surprised that they got rid of that section though. I believe it had something to do with reliability issues? I remember one time I was trapped as two P12s and one other P13 couldn't get past each other. Waited there for about 10 minutes lol I think the P12 frequency was increased when the P13 was removed from Asylum Road but I may be wrong. There certainly are issues with buses being trapped by bad parking along Asylum Road - I have experienced it myself whilst travelling (I never drove the P12 - could never be bothered to learn it properly and never completely got to grips with the route between Peckham and Brockley. The only route I drove from Peckham was the 37 although I knew the 63/363) I was told years ago (after PM lost the P13 and 381) that the 37 and P12 used to be on the same duty card, is that still the same nowadays? Perhaps then the P13 was mixed with the 381.
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Post by Steve80 on Jul 8, 2013 2:02:56 GMT
Was on the P13 last night. Was running on time from new cross until I got to the south circular in Dulwich grove. By the time I got to west Dulwich station I was 10 minutes late due to the sheer traffic there. My leader also got caught up in the same area and arrived at Streatham 10 late, but my follower arrived at Streatham 2 minutes early. What a strange route!
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Sept 3, 2013 18:12:52 GMT
A small idea to try and relieve the congestion in the Dulwich area. How about re-routing the bus via Court Lane?
This would divert the route towards Streatham by turning right from Melford Road to Lordship Lane, Court Lane, then Dulwich Village, College Road, then back to line of route at Dulwich College. Towards New Cross it'd be the same, except that it'd serve the Grove Tavern (which is only served by Streatham buses currently) and Underhill Road bus stops.
Benefits:
Removes the bus from the traffic jam between Lordship Lane to Dulwich College which would improve reliability. Dulwich Village would have two bus routes with more connections towards Streatham and the residential streets of East Dulwich, alongside the existing P4 buses.
Negatives:
Court Lane is a residential street, however the P4 was re-routed to the South Circular Road after speed bumps were installed in the early 90s. However, this area has expensive housing and may come against local opposition. Dulwich Common would see a reduction in services leaving it with the P4, however those who are likely to use the P13 on that street live on the Lordship Lane Estate would still be able to pick up the bus from the Lordship Lane stops.
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Post by 6HP502C on Sept 4, 2013 18:33:44 GMT
Must be my imagination but Court Lane seems to have gotten very narrow over the years with all the parked cars, as the people seem to be driveway averse. This might cause issues with passing buses. Can't imagine the affected of that road would let it happen.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Sept 4, 2013 21:07:09 GMT
Must be my imagination but Court Lane seems to have gotten very narrow over the years with all the parked cars, as the people seem to be driveway averse. This might cause issues with passing buses. Can't imagine the affected of that road would let it happen. Whateley Road and Underhill Road are narrower than Court Lane and yet are served by 8.8m Darts which get stuck on a daily basis. Obviously the longer Darts used on the P4 would be unacceptable along Court Lane. The section of Underhill Road between Melford Road and Lordship Lane are also served by the likes of PVL's and Enviro 400's on the 363/N63!
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Feb 7, 2014 12:46:10 GMT
Just received a newsletter from my local Tory councillor who mentions that TfL are putting together a business plan to increase the frequency of the P13.
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Post by M1104 on Feb 7, 2014 12:56:27 GMT
Just received a newsletter from my local Tory councillor who mentions that TfL are putting together a business plan to increase the frequency of the P13. I wonder if this will be scheduled for when buses become spare from the 100 allocation, thus increasing capacity as well (bearing in mind the odd issues with parked vehicles, which never stopped WL using those 9.4m buses a good few years back).
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Post by vjaska on Feb 7, 2014 13:42:42 GMT
Just received a newsletter from my local Tory councillor who mentions that TfL are putting together a business plan to increase the frequency of the P13. I wonder if this will be scheduled for when buses become spare from the 100 allocation, thus increasing capacity as well (bearing in mind the odd issues with parked vehicles, which never stopped WL using those 9.4m buses a good few years back). Is there enough buses on the 100 for the 322, as well as the P13?
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Post by Nathan on Feb 7, 2014 14:34:54 GMT
Couldn't the P13 be moved to WL? Drivers could change at either Peckham Bus Station (where its usually empty going to New Cross) or even at East Dulwich. Surely it would make it more reliable. Plus, the E200s from the 100 wouldn't have to move anywhere. They'd just have to install the necessary blind set.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 7, 2014 14:45:10 GMT
Couldn't the P13 be moved to WL? Drivers could change at either Peckham Bus Station (where its usually empty going to New Cross) or even at East Dulwich. Surely it would make it more reliable. Plus, the E200s from the 100 wouldn't have to move anywhere. They'd just have to install the necessary blind set. Sounds good to me, probably might happen as well when the 100 goes to Go-Ahead London. I've a hunch that the P13 is on the 100's Enviro 200 blindsets - it definitely was on the 100's Pointer blindsets as I went on one on the P13 and there was a few sightings of them on the route.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Feb 7, 2014 19:54:25 GMT
With the 136 probably being extended to Elephant & Castle later in the year, I wonder as part of the increased frequency terminate at Peckham Bus Station using the spare capacity left?
However it would leave no direct link west of New Cross Gate Sainsburys direct into the superstore without a short walk from the 136 and 436 into the retail complex from Peckham.
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