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Post by eggmiester on Sept 10, 2014 20:03:29 GMT
What would possibly solve the P13's problems would be to curtail it at Peckham and make it high frequency.
PM to NX is easily covered by existing routes or alternatively if it proves a problem extend either the 345 or 37 to NX (pvr increase of about 2 buses with some timing re-distribution)
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Post by vjaska on Sept 10, 2014 21:12:09 GMT
What would possibly solve the P13's problems would be to curtail it at Peckham and make it high frequency. PM to NX is easily covered by existing routes or alternatively if it proves a problem extend either the 345 or 37 to NX (pvr increase of about 2 buses with some timing re-distribution) Like the idea of the 37 or 345 being extended with the P13 cut back. My preference would be the 345 as it's far more reliable than the 37.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Sept 10, 2014 22:52:14 GMT
Considering the frequency of the 345 in comparison to the P13, wouldn't this make the section between Peckham and New Cross with too much capacity?
However, there should be a route from Peckham which serves the retail park and Sainsburys inside rather than from the main road.
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Post by M1104 on Sept 11, 2014 3:55:34 GMT
What would possibly solve the P13's problems would be to curtail it at Peckham and make it high frequency. PM to NX is easily covered by existing routes or alternatively if it proves a problem extend either the 345 or 37 to NX (pvr increase of about 2 buses with some timing re-distribution) Like the idea of the 37 or 345 being extended with the P13 cut back. My preference would be the 345 as it's far more reliable than the 37. I actually prefer the 37 on the basis that it maintains that unique 'round the corner' link between Peckham Rye Lane/East Dulwich and Queens Road/New Cross Gate. Also the 37 (like the 345) would still create a direct bus link from New Cross to Brixton, Clapham Common and Clapham Junction.
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Post by Steve80 on Sept 11, 2014 4:46:05 GMT
The P13 was diverted away from Chadwick Road due to "inconsiderate parking" Time to re-route again? Yes, I experienced such problems on this road as well. Whenever I go along this road, I just position myself to get past the first set of parked cards and then put my foot down to the end of the road. I thought it was quite cool that I could just speed past all these cars despite being so close to them. But, one day I was doing just that and then saw in the distance a car with its wheels facing outwards into my path. Tbh, I thought I was going to crash with the bus swerving quite a bit as I was braking fairly hard. Thankfully, I managed to brake just in time. Looking back at it, I know I could of got through that gap but since that day I always take my time through there and have had few moments where I come across bad parking and ended up blowing my horn for a few minutes until finally the driver comes out. I never had to call Centrecomm about it though. Anyway, what do you mean about re-route again? What was the route before?
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Post by Steve80 on Sept 11, 2014 5:03:41 GMT
Like the idea of the 37 or 345 being extended with the P13 cut back. My preference would be the 345 as it's far more reliable than the 37. I actually prefer the 37 on the basis that it maintains that unique 'round the corner' link between Peckham Rye Lane/East Dulwich and Queens Road/New Cross Gate. Also the 37 (like the 345) would still create a direct bus link from New Cross to Brixton, Clapham Common and Clapham Junction. The 37 would be better as it serves the shops along Peckham Rye. My only worry is the reliability of the 37 might be affected. Personally, I would leave the P13 how it is between Peckham and New Cross. Whenever I had problems with the route its usually the traffic in Streatham and the South Circular in Dulwich. However, I led to believe that the P13 is not running very well since the frequency increase. Im doing the route tomorrow so will see for myself but I understand there are road closures in Streatham Hill due to bridge works, which is mentioned in the bus diversions thread
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Sept 11, 2014 7:47:44 GMT
The P13 was diverted away from Chadwick Road due to "inconsiderate parking" Time to re-route again? Anyway, what do you mean about re-route again? What was the route before? The route used to run from Avondale Rise along Malfort Road and Grove Hill Road, then DKH (the top end) and then into Sainsburys to line of route. It was re-routed along Pytchley Road after similar parking issues raised by local residents.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Sept 13, 2014 1:30:07 GMT
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Post by Steve80 on Sept 13, 2014 5:37:01 GMT
I read some of the comments. One driver seems to be appreciated. I know who that driver is. And I think they are right in that he's one of the few that really takes pride in his job. So, Thursday I was on the P13. I beginning to hate this route as its four rounds of constant driving I departed 15 minutes late at Streatham as my bus was late on arrival. The bus I took over was 8065 and it was really slow Strangely, I was told to run after my follower (the bus behind) has left. So, my follower left and picked up all the passengers at the first few stops in Streatham and I picked up the rest but only upto West Dulwich where he overtook me again. I overtook him at East Dulwich and he overtook me back at Peckham. I was told that my leader had terminated at Peckham so they wanted me to run all the way to New Cross even though I was running around 15 minutes late. Anyway, I went straight in and out of New Cross leaving 5 minutes late. I managed to bring the bus to time and managed to get to Streatham two minutes early. My second trip from Streatham to New Cross, I was surprised that I didn't pick up many passengers but it shouldn't be as I caught up with my leader at West Dulwich That bus then terminated at East Dulwich Sainsburys so had to pick up the rest of the passengers. Thankfully, I saw my leader again at Queens Road heading towards Streatham, when I was still making my way towards New Cross. Heading back towards Streatham, I was never going to make up my time as the running times are inadequate in the evenings. I arrived there 8 minutes late and as I only had a scheduled 45 minute break this would mean I would leave 3 minutes late as Im required to take my 40 minutes break. I left Streatham around 2108 but was already running over 10 minutes late by the time I got to Streatham Hill due to the sheer amount of traffic. Maybe the bridge works on Drewstead Road was a factor. I got to New Cross and went straight in and out leaving bang on time. Unfortunately, there was an accident on Old Kent Road and the police were forcing all northbound traffic into Queens Road. It took me over 5 minutes to get from the Sainsburys to the bus garage so was running late all the way but no more than 3 minutes or so. My duty also involved doing the last bus form Streatham and New Cross but thankfully, my last rounder was uneventful.
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Post by Nathan on Sept 13, 2014 10:44:50 GMT
I read some of the comments. One driver seems to be appreciated. I know who that driver is. And I think they are right in that he's one of the few that really takes pride in his job. So, Thursday I was on the P13. I beginning to hate this route as its four rounds of constant driving I departed 15 minutes late at Streatham as my bus was late on arrival. The bus I took over was 8065 and it was really slow Strangely, I was told to run after my follower (the bus behind) has left. So, my follower left and picked up all the passengers at the first few stops in Streatham and I picked up the rest but only upto West Dulwich where he overtook me again. I overtook him at East Dulwich and he overtook me back at Peckham. I was told that my leader had terminated at Peckham so they wanted me to run all the way to New Cross even though I was running around 15 minutes late. Anyway, I went straight in and out of New Cross leaving 5 minutes late. I managed to bring the bus to time and managed to get to Streatham two minutes early. My second trip from Streatham to New Cross, I was surprised that I didn't pick up many passengers but it shouldn't be as I caught up with my leader at West Dulwich That bus then terminated at East Dulwich Sainsburys so had to pick up the rest of the passengers. Thankfully, I saw my leader again at Queens Road heading towards Streatham, when I was still making my way towards New Cross. Heading back towards Streatham, I was never going to make up my time as the running times are inadequate in the evenings. I arrived there 8 minutes late and as I only had a scheduled 45 minute break this would mean I would leave 3 minutes late as Im required to take my 40 minutes break. I left Streatham around 2108 but was already running over 10 minutes late by the time I got to Streatham Hill due to the sheer amount of traffic. Maybe the bridge works on Drewstead Road was a factor. I got to New Cross and went straight in and out leaving bang on time. Unfortunately, there was an accident on Old Kent Road and the police were forcing all northbound traffic into Queens Road. It took me over 5 minutes to get from the Sainsburys to the bus garage so was running late all the way but no more than 3 minutes or so. My duty also involved doing the last bus form Streatham and New Cross but thankfully, my last rounder was uneventful. This route sounds pretty bad. Tell me Steve80, what do you think the chances of Abellio retaining the route is whenever the next tender comes up?
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Post by 6HP502C on Sept 13, 2014 11:13:37 GMT
I read some of the comments. One driver seems to be appreciated. I know who that driver is. And I think they are right in that he's one of the few that really takes pride in his job. So, Thursday I was on the P13. I beginning to hate this route as its four rounds of constant driving I departed 15 minutes late at Streatham as my bus was late on arrival. The bus I took over was 8065 and it was really slow Strangely, I was told to run after my follower (the bus behind) has left. So, my follower left and picked up all the passengers at the first few stops in Streatham and I picked up the rest but only upto West Dulwich where he overtook me again. I overtook him at East Dulwich and he overtook me back at Peckham. I was told that my leader had terminated at Peckham so they wanted me to run all the way to New Cross even though I was running around 15 minutes late. Anyway, I went straight in and out of New Cross leaving 5 minutes late. I managed to bring the bus to time and managed to get to Streatham two minutes early. My second trip from Streatham to New Cross, I was surprised that I didn't pick up many passengers but it shouldn't be as I caught up with my leader at West Dulwich That bus then terminated at East Dulwich Sainsburys so had to pick up the rest of the passengers. Thankfully, I saw my leader again at Queens Road heading towards Streatham, when I was still making my way towards New Cross. Heading back towards Streatham, I was never going to make up my time as the running times are inadequate in the evenings. I arrived there 8 minutes late and as I only had a scheduled 45 minute break this would mean I would leave 3 minutes late as Im required to take my 40 minutes break. I left Streatham around 2108 but was already running over 10 minutes late by the time I got to Streatham Hill due to the sheer amount of traffic. Maybe the bridge works on Drewstead Road was a factor. I got to New Cross and went straight in and out leaving bang on time. Unfortunately, there was an accident on Old Kent Road and the police were forcing all northbound traffic into Queens Road. It took me over 5 minutes to get from the Sainsburys to the bus garage so was running late all the way but no more than 3 minutes or so. My duty also involved doing the last bus form Streatham and New Cross but thankfully, my last rounder was uneventful. I saw you with 8065 whilst I was in the jerk chicken shop by East Dulwich station - bet you enjoyed that, knowing how much you like Darts . Sounds like an eventful shift - resilience in the timetable seems to be rock bottom. If reliability proves to be too bad then an extra bus may well be put in.
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Post by Unorm on Sept 13, 2014 20:01:05 GMT
I have used the P13 a lot of times and I noticed a gap between the service along Dulwich whereabouts to West Dulwich station coming late when it had the 20 minute frequency. But now I guess it is a bit 'problem-solved' for now. I don't know exactly if the route is now actually problem-solved or not exactly, but if there is anything to do with then it could be possibly the following: 1) Keep it how it is and a frequency increase to 9-10 minutes 2) Reallocate to WL once 100 completely goes and 9.3m Darts can go back to WL with P13's reallocation, also allowing further space for S4, 109/N09 and 201 3) A new route: Which would be interlinked with P13 with a PVR of 1-3 and preferably to be numbered P11. This also includes some bits with a DD possible for back-ups, along East Dulwich Goose Green, it can be rerouted via 37 to Peckham instead. Thus allowing 100% DD possiblity if needed. Or some at once (e.g convert to 10 min and reallocate to WL). The roads it'll be using is: (Towards New Cross): A23, Downtown Avenue (if DDed, then via Barcombe Avenue), Palace Road, Norwood Road, Lancaster Avenue, A205, Lordship Lane, Grove Vale/Dog Kennel Hill, Sainsbury's, Copleston Road, Bellenden Road, Chadwick Road, Lyndhurst Way, Holly Grove, Bellenden Road, Blenheim Grove, Rye Lane, Hanover Park, Clayton Road, Queen's Road (A202), Asylum Road, Old Kent Road, New Cross Road (A202), Sainsbury's (Towards Streatham): Sainsbury's, New Cross Road, Old Kent Road, Asylum Road, Queen's Road (A202), Clayton Road, Hanover Park, Rye Lane, Blenheim Grove, Choumert Grove, Chadwick Road, Bellenden Road, Copleston Road, Grove Vale/Dog Kennel Hill, Sainsbury's, Grove Vale/Dog Kennel Hill, Lordship Lane, A205, Lancaster Avenue, Norwood Road, Palace Road, Downtown Avenue (or alternatively Cricklade Avenue), A23, Streatham Bus Station Roads with colour stands out for roads that would possibly not be suitable for DDs. As said, it could be rerouted via 37 by Goose Green instead of Bellenden Road.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 13, 2014 20:10:42 GMT
I have used the P13 a lot of times and I noticed a gap between the service along Dulwich whereabouts to West Dulwich station coming late when it had the 20 minute frequency. But now I guess it is a bit 'problem-solved' for now. I don't know exactly if the route is now actually problem-solved or not exactly, but if there is anything to do with then it could be possibly the following: 1) Keep it how it is and a frequency increase to 9-10 minutes 2) Reallocate to WL once 100 completely goes and 9.3m Darts can go back to WL with P13's reallocation, also allowing further space for S4, 109/N09 and 201 3) A new route: Which would be interlinked with P13 with a PVR of 1-3 and preferably to be numbered P11. This also includes some bits with a DD possible for back-ups, along East Dulwich Goose Green, it can be rerouted via 37 to Peckham instead. Thus allowing 100% DD possiblity if needed. Or some at once (e.g convert to 10 min and reallocate to WL). If your P11 is following the P13 route, then deckers won't be able to go under the low bridge on Thurlow Park Road and I also think deckers might be a bit wide for Pytchley Road in East Dulwich & Downton Avenue in Streatham Hill.
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Post by Unorm on Sept 13, 2014 20:20:32 GMT
I have used the P13 a lot of times and I noticed a gap between the service along Dulwich whereabouts to West Dulwich station coming late when it had the 20 minute frequency. But now I guess it is a bit 'problem-solved' for now. I don't know exactly if the route is now actually problem-solved or not exactly, but if there is anything to do with then it could be possibly the following: 1) Keep it how it is and a frequency increase to 9-10 minutes 2) Reallocate to WL once 100 completely goes and 9.3m Darts can go back to WL with P13's reallocation, also allowing further space for S4, 109/N09 and 201 3) A new route: Which would be interlinked with P13 with a PVR of 1-3 and preferably to be numbered P11. This also includes some bits with a DD possible for back-ups, along East Dulwich Goose Green, it can be rerouted via 37 to Peckham instead. Thus allowing 100% DD possiblity if needed. Or some at once (e.g convert to 10 min and reallocate to WL). If your P11 is following the P13 route, then deckers won't be able to go under the low bridge on Thurlow Park Road and I also think deckers might be a bit wide for Pytchley Road in East Dulwich & Downton Avenue in Streatham Hill. This is the tricky bit, it doesn't go under the bridge, you see how the route dodges it? (It goes via Lancaster Avenue ). I should note the roads it goes via to make life easier. Lancaster Avenue can take DDs, as proved by the diversion back in 2006 when I enjoyed it on the 68 lol. (Diverted via Lancaster Avenue and via 3 to Herne Hill and back on route, 2/432 via that then back up Norwood Road to Tulse Hill and line of route, when an incident along Norwood Road happened (near Fire Station if I remember correctly).
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Sept 13, 2014 23:09:41 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Sept 13, 2014 23:09:41 GMT
If your P11 is following the P13 route, then deckers won't be able to go under the low bridge on Thurlow Park Road and I also think deckers might be a bit wide for Pytchley Road in East Dulwich & Downton Avenue in Streatham Hill. This is the tricky bit, it doesn't go under the bridge, you see how the route dodges it? (It goes via Lancaster Avenue ). I should note the roads it goes via to make life easier. Lancaster Avenue can take DDs, as proved by the diversion back in 2006 when I enjoyed it on the 68 lol. (Diverted via Lancaster Avenue and via 3 to Herne Hill and back on route, 2/432 via that then back up Norwood Road to Tulse Hill and line of route, when an incident along Norwood Road happened (near Fire Station if I remember correctly). Indeed, Lancaster Avenue can take deckers. I remember that diversion but a few years earlier than the 2006 incident as I got a L class Olympian on the 432 via Norwood Road, Croxted Road, Thurlow Park Road & Lancaster Avenue due to a burst water main.
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