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Post by guybowden on Mar 21, 2013 20:48:36 GMT
daveb0789, your spot on I have got it wrong and do apologize. I didn't know you have to spend a year route learning and have to have an understanding of the train you are driving.
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Post by daveb0789 on Mar 21, 2013 20:57:47 GMT
That's okay guybowden. I enjoyed my 6 years bus driving in London and in some ways I do miss it. Given the abuse from passengers and stress of driving in London, bus drivers should be paid well. I suggest a minimum of £15 an hour. But it's the constant erosion of conditions that bothers me. Unpaid breaks, ridiculously low rates for new starters and spread over shifts. Something needs to be done.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2013 22:29:12 GMT
Fair enough Dave but an erosion of conditions isn't only in the bus industry its in just about every job these days I'm afraid, there aren't many jobs around paying £15ph
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Post by rambo on Mar 23, 2013 23:51:37 GMT
What annoys me is the fixed rate.
When I left school, it was normal money, monday to friday, during the day, more for nights and weekends and more for overtime.
I'm sure we all think we deserve more pay than we get.
I don't think train drivers are overpaid, they get the right money, IMO.
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Post by rambo on Mar 23, 2013 23:55:33 GMT
Do new starters not get any enhancements for working weekends and evenings then ?? Is the basic rate fixed what ever time they work ?? And what does this TUPE change effect just the bus industry or everything ? What exactly does it mean drivers will have to take a lower rate to be TUPE'd or lose there jobs ?? TUPE protects your current contract, so wages are protected. New starters get fixed rates, normally for 2 years. Very little extra for weekends, about 40 pence per hour more, no extra for lates. When i left school, night printers got about 50% more than day printers. Do people really think that there should be a flat hourly rate for all hours?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2013 10:31:00 GMT
What annoys me is the fixed rate. When I left school, it was normal money, monday to friday, during the day, more for nights and weekends and more for overtime. I'm sure we all think we deserve more pay than we get. I don't think train drivers are overpaid, they get the right money, IMO. Extra pay for nights and weekends applied in many jobs but it has gradually been taken away over the years, just a fact of life I'm afraid. As you say we probably all think we deserve more money than we actually get. As for train drivers, whether they are overpaid or not is a matter of opinion but they do get paid a lot more than most for basically sitting in a cab pulling a few levers and with no contact with the general public. Yes I know there is a lot to learn etc etc but that is their job in a nutshell.
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Post by daveb0789 on Mar 25, 2013 15:04:10 GMT
Airline pilots and air traffic controllers also sit around with little or no contact with the public. In fact airliners spend most of their time on automatic pilot. In general if it takes a long time to learn your particular trade and its in demand the pay will be better.
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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 25, 2013 23:23:10 GMT
What annoys me is the fixed rate. When I left school, it was normal money, monday to friday, during the day, more for nights and weekends and more for overtime. I'm sure we all think we deserve more pay than we get. I don't think train drivers are overpaid, they get the right money, IMO. Extra pay for nights and weekends applied in many jobs but it has gradually been taken away over the years, just a fact of life I'm afraid. As you say we probably all think we deserve more money than we actually get. Abellio still pay extra for unsociable hours, evenings and weekends - not only did I find the weekend N3s the most fun buses to drive, but the shifts also paid the most.
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Post by daveb0789 on Mar 26, 2013 0:35:54 GMT
When I worked at Arriva unsocial hours paid time and 1/3. Saturdays were time and 1/3 and any Sundays or rest days worked were time and 2/3. I understand the overtime rates/unsocial enhancements have gone down somewhat.
My current job doesn't pay enhanced rates for unsocial hours. What has happened over the years since privatisation are steady salary increases and a reduction in the working week. The maximum day length has also been capped.
Certain companies such as Lothian and the Oxford Tube pay industry leading rates of pay with excellent terms and conditions.
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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 26, 2013 12:04:21 GMT
That's because they need to retain their labour force. Oxford famously has had labour competition between the buses and the BMW factory, which has pushed up pay rates. In London, there are lengthy waiting lists for a number of garages.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 9:28:18 GMT
That's because they need to retain their labour force. Oxford famously has had labour competition between the buses and the BMW factory, which has pushed up pay rates. In London, there are lengthy waiting lists for a number of garages. It seems that generally speaking garages on the outer edges have waiting lists but there are far more likely to be immeadiate vacancies at many inner London garages. Does this suggest many drivers from outside the London area travelling in for better rates of pay than they would get at provincial garages?
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Post by daveb0789 on Mar 27, 2013 11:28:48 GMT
I think you are possibly right there and perhaps drivers from inner city depots are looking to get into the outer London ones with nicer routes (and passenger)
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Post by greeny253 on Mar 27, 2013 11:50:47 GMT
I think you are possibly right there and perhaps drivers from inner city depots are looking to get into the outer London ones with nicer routes (and passenger) You're both more or less spot on. I have a colleague at Bow who lives in Chelmsford but comes in for the money - though he is now in the process of moving work up there. I'd go back to driving buses outside of London in a flash personally. Having experience of both I wouldn't come in to London if I had the choice.
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Post by Steve80 on Mar 28, 2013 3:24:12 GMT
I think you are possibly right there and perhaps drivers from inner city depots are looking to get into the outer London ones with nicer routes (and passenger) You're both more or less spot on. I have a colleague at Bow who lives in Chelmsford but comes in for the money - though he is now in the process of moving work up there. I'd go back to driving buses outside of London in a flash personally. Having experience of both I wouldn't come in to London if I had the choice. I thought you liked the city routes? I much pefer the city routes but obviously I live in outer london so its better for me. I must admit that the routes (apart form the 157) are much more relaxing, if a little boring.
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Post by greeny253 on Mar 29, 2013 11:55:55 GMT
You're both more or less spot on. I have a colleague at Bow who lives in Chelmsford but comes in for the money - though he is now in the process of moving work up there. I'd go back to driving buses outside of London in a flash personally. Having experience of both I wouldn't come in to London if I had the choice. I thought you liked the city routes? I much pefer the city routes but obviously I live in outer london so its better for me. I must admit that the routes (apart form the 157) are much more relaxing, if a little boring. Oh I do. I much prefer filling my bus with people on their way to work ;D It wasn't really the routes as such but the people. Total different way of life and people's expectations of the bus service are different to passengers in London.
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