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Post by Hassaan on Jan 2, 2014 3:30:35 GMT
Route D7 extended from All Saints to Canning Town via East India Dock Road, giving a missing bus link from Canary Wharf and Cubitt Town to Canning Town. Although to avoid the banned right turn from Bazely Street to East India Dock Road it may need to be diverted via Cotton Street.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 2, 2014 9:50:16 GMT
Route D7 extended from All Saints to Canning Town via East India Dock Road, giving a missing bus link from Canary Wharf and Cubitt Town to Canning Town. Although to avoid the banned right turn from Bazely Street to East India Dock Road it may need to be diverted via Cotton Street. Another alternative would be to extend the 277 on from Leamouth to Canning Town.
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Post by Connor on Jan 2, 2014 12:31:07 GMT
215 to Waltham Cross
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 12:34:47 GMT
Another one from me Extend the 197 to South Croydon Garage via High Street, South Croydon & Brighton Road. This would allow the 312/412 merger to go ahead without the loss of a east to west route across Croydon from South Norwood, Woodside & Lower Addiscombe. It would also release some stand space on Katherine Street. This would add around 10 minutes to journey times. NB: I'm not advocating to extend the route just to release some stand space, it's just a consequence of extending the 197 As it is a lot of 197's run out of service back to the garage so it wouldn't cost very much
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Post by Mokujin on Jan 2, 2014 13:43:13 GMT
Route D7 extended from All Saints to Canning Town via East India Dock Road, giving a missing bus link from Canary Wharf and Cubitt Town to Canning Town. Although to avoid the banned right turn from Bazely Street to East India Dock Road it may need to be diverted via Cotton Street. Then maybe the 330 could be extended to Poplar, All Saints (replacing D7 there) via East India Dock Road aswell.
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Post by 6HP502C on Jan 2, 2014 20:32:23 GMT
As we've had a couple of proposals for very long and probably unmanagable extensions on the forum, I propose a thread to post short or "round-the-corner" extensions. These would be extensions which probably wouldn't account for more than about 10 minutes running time maximum, and therefore wouldn't have huge costs or impacts upon reliability. I'll start off by proposing a couple - - 205 Bow Church - Stratford City, via Stratford High Street, Warton Road, Montfitchet Road, Stratford City Bus Station. Based on D8 timetable, would take approximately 8 minutes.
Unlikely to happen due to the length of the route.
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Post by moz on Jan 3, 2014 0:06:00 GMT
Bit cheaty as the ten minutes continues on from a current light run but the 17 could do Elephant & Castle nicely. The stand loop around Borough must be at least 10+ minutes.
Moz
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Post by jrussa on Jan 3, 2014 6:17:20 GMT
A couple of ideas. The W14 from Leyton ASDA to Stratford City. Probably achieveable with 1 extra bus. Extend the 274 from Angel to Old Street to give a cross Islington link, remove some interchange traffic from the Angel area and link to "Silicon City" at Old Street. Two buses should be enough. I agree with both suggestions.. I have advocated for Route W14 to be extended to Stratford for at least ten years! My proposal:Route W14 should be diverted between Melon Road (the first left turn on Cathall Road towards Leyton) and the roundabout, near the Leisure Centre via Melon Road, Corn Way, Anglian Road and Hollydown Way, rejoining its current line of route to Leyton. (5 Mins extra] In regards to the extension to Stratford: Double run in Leyton Superstores back onto the A106 (Eastway), turn left onto Sherrin Road, Straight down Temple Mills Lane via the Velopark. Turn left at the junction of Honour Lea Ave and Temple Mills Lane, serving the latter. Turn right onto Major Road and then left onto Chobham Road, right onto Leytonstone and follow Route 257 to Stratford Station Bus Station. [8-12 minutes] Proposal reasons:1. I have observed frequently passengers coming off at the roundabout on Cathall Road and walking down Hollydown Way 2. It would provide the Hollydown Way catchment area with a local bus to Asda's and the train station 3. The extension to Stratford via Chobham Road and Major Road would reduce loads on Route 69 and 257. Passengers who are travelling on Chobham Road and High Road Leytonstone (Harrow Green) may be tempted to use Route W14 instead.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 3, 2014 9:17:00 GMT
I have advocated for Route W14 to be extended to Stratford for at least ten years! My proposal:Route W14 should be diverted between Melon Road (the first left turn on Cathall Road towards Leyton) and the roundabout, near the Leisure Centre via Melon Road, Corn Way, Anglian Road and Hollydown Way, rejoining its current line of route to Leyton. (5 Mins extra] In regards to the extension to Stratford: Double run in Leyton Superstores back onto the A106 (Eastway), turn left onto Sherrin Road, Straight down Temple Mills Lane via the Velopark. Turn left at the junction of Honour Lea Ave and Temple Mills Lane, serving the latter. Turn right onto Major Road and then left onto Chobham Road, right onto Leytonstone and follow Route 257 to Stratford Station Bus Station. [8-12 minutes] Proposal reasons:1. I have observed frequently passengers coming off at the roundabout on Cathall Road and walking down Hollydown Way 2. It would provide the Hollydown Way catchment area with a local bus to Asda's and the train station 3. The extension to Stratford via Chobham Road and Major Road would reduce loads on Route 69 and 257. Passengers who are travelling on Chobham Road and High Road Leytonstone (Harrow Green) may be tempted to use Route W14 instead. Interesting ideas. My main comments are whether there is sufficient space round the back of Cathall Road. I've looked on Street View and the roads, although fairly new, look narrow and twisty with lots of off street parking bays. This would make stop locations very difficult due to lack of straight kerb space. There's obviously plenty of housing there but I'd have thought the 339 was the better candidate to sneak down those side streets as it uses smaller buses. I wonder if TfL even considered sending it over those roads when planning the recent extension? I guess Chobham Road is also a sensible road to use but I think the extent of parked cars would pose a big problem as would finding stop locations. Squeezing 10.2m Darts down there would be a big squeeze.
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Post by TA1 on Jan 3, 2014 11:02:28 GMT
I have advocated for Route W14 to be extended to Stratford for at least ten years! My proposal:Route W14 should be diverted between Melon Road (the first left turn on Cathall Road towards Leyton) and the roundabout, near the Leisure Centre via Melon Road, Corn Way, Anglian Road and Hollydown Way, rejoining its current line of route to Leyton. (5 Mins extra] In regards to the extension to Stratford: Double run in Leyton Superstores back onto the A106 (Eastway), turn left onto Sherrin Road, Straight down Temple Mills Lane via the Velopark. Turn left at the junction of Honour Lea Ave and Temple Mills Lane, serving the latter. Turn right onto Major Road and then left onto Chobham Road, right onto Leytonstone and follow Route 257 to Stratford Station Bus Station. [8-12 minutes] Proposal reasons:1. I have observed frequently passengers coming off at the roundabout on Cathall Road and walking down Hollydown Way 2. It would provide the Hollydown Way catchment area with a local bus to Asda's and the train station 3. The extension to Stratford via Chobham Road and Major Road would reduce loads on Route 69 and 257. Passengers who are travelling on Chobham Road and High Road Leytonstone (Harrow Green) may be tempted to use Route W14 instead. Interesting ideas. My main comments are whether there is sufficient space round the back of Cathall Road. I've looked on Street View and the roads, although fairly new, look narrow and twisty with lots of off street parking bays. This would make stop locations very difficult due to lack of straight kerb space. There's obviously plenty of housing there but I'd have thought the 339 was the better candidate to sneak down those side streets as it uses smaller buses. I wonder if TfL even considered sending it over those roads when planning the recent extension? I guess Chobham Road is also a sensible road to use but I think the extent of parked cars would pose a big problem as would finding stop locations. Squeezing 10.2m Darts down there would be a big squeeze. snoggle and All, To be pedantic, the W14 is officially allocated 9.3m E20D's but as you probably know Tower Transit did not have not spare buses to facilitate the 339's PVR increase due to its extension, which in place the DMC's make up the remainder of the allocation. I wonder what would of happened if the newly arrived WSH's which have fulfilled the remainder of the allocation on the RV1 hadn't arrived when they did, effectively displacing the DMC's to the W14. See if the intention is to serve the large catchment area of Hollydown Way, why not divert the 339 from Crownfield Road left into Hall Lane, Ahead Langthorne Roax, Right North Birbeck Road, Ahead Hollydown Way. - that diversion could potentially provide more patronage to the route east of Stratford city, as well as providing links to Downsell Primary School, Langthorne Health Centre and the large housing catchment areas as the Langthorne and Cathall estates respectively, albeit the area is within close walking distance to Leyton station, new direct links to Leytonstone and/or Stratford. You could argue and say their are relevant and more direct bus routes within a small radius of those aforementioned areas and I agree, but I'm all for suggesting new links. jrussa, for as long as I've been on forums I seem to recall your championing for your beloved W14 to receive an extension to Stratford City/ Stratford. - I personally feel in my opinion, that your proposal would be unfesable as: 1) the route would be twisty, when their are direct routes which can get you to the destination quicker 2) increase in running time, would surely see the PVR Increase - which will be to expensive. If no major supermarket change opens within the Olympic Park once more residents move in, a direct link to Leyton Asda could be very vital despite it being within close proximity. - I would double run Leyton Asda, exit asda turn right onto Ruckholt Road, left onto Temple Mills Lane, international Way, terminate within SC bus station. To reduce any additional cost, I would move the driver changeovers to where the new 308 stops on Temple Mills Lane are outside the garage.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jan 3, 2014 14:53:49 GMT
A couple of ideas. The W14 from Leyton ASDA to Stratford City. Probably achieveable with 1 extra bus. Extend the 274 from Angel to Old Street to give a cross Islington link, remove some interchange traffic from the Angel area and link to "Silicon City" at Old Street. Two buses should be enough. Extend the 135 from Old Street to Farringdon / Clerkenwell Green to bolster capacity along Old St and serve the rail "megahub" when Crossrail and Thameslink fully open in a few years time. Two buses should be sufficient but traffic congestion can be a nightmare through Clerkenwell. And on the same theme there are two accidental "round the corner" links that have proved popular - both in Walthamstow. They are the W11 routed via the Bell Corner and the W15 via Blackhorse Road. I use the W11 a lot now as it is so convenient for my local trips and a decent number of people use the new links and also make same stop interchanges with the 123. The W15 also seems to pick up lots of people at Blackhorse Rd in both directions and gives people from Higham Hill a quick link to the tube and NR at St James St. It will be interesting to see what TfL do when Network Rail complete the bridge repairs on Palmerston Road - scheduled for some time in 2014. EXTRA idea - extend the 394 down Copenhagen St to York Way and into the Kings Cross Railway Lands when this area is more developed than at present. Helps improve access to this new employment and leisure area. Probably 2 extra buses. Couple of things about the W11 and W15 situation. It was crazy to divert them in the first place. I have not even seen any works being carried out on that bridge, and it seems someone just plucked out '2 years' from nowhere. All they need to do was close the bus stops above/near the bridge. Of the two, the W11, is quite useful and if a route had to stay that would be it. The W15 should 100% serve Palmerston Road. People in Higham Hill can catch a 158 to Blackhorse. W15 is quite a long zig zagging route and does not need the delays of going round Blachorse.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 3, 2014 17:31:12 GMT
A couple of ideas. And on the same theme there are two accidental "round the corner" links that have proved popular - both in Walthamstow. They are the W11 routed via the Bell Corner and the W15 via Blackhorse Road. I use the W11 a lot now as it is so convenient for my local trips and a decent number of people use the new links and also make same stop interchanges with the 123. The W15 also seems to pick up lots of people at Blackhorse Rd in both directions and gives people from Higham Hill a quick link to the tube and NR at St James St. It will be interesting to see what TfL do when Network Rail complete the bridge repairs on Palmerston Road - scheduled for some time in 2014. Couple of things about the W11 and W15 situation. It was crazy to divert them in the first place. I have not even seen any works being carried out on that bridge, and it seems someone just plucked out '2 years' from nowhere. All they need to do was close the bus stops above/near the bridge. Of the two, the W11, is quite useful and if a route had to stay that would be it. The W15 should 100% serve Palmerston Road. People in Higham Hill can catch a 158 to Blackhorse. W15 is quite a long zig zagging route and does not need the delays of going round Blachorse. I expect 2 years was the best guess that Network Rail could give at the time. The diversion was mandatory because the bridge failed an assessment. I suspect this was unexpected and planning / funding the work has not been easy given Network Rail are coming to the end of the current 5 year funding period. Can you imagine the furore if buses had continued to run and the bridge had part collapsed when a bus crossed it? Almost all the bridges on the GOBLIN route have been left to decay for a very long time and many of them have needed attention. Many of them on side roads have weight restrictions as a way of extending their life but even Network Rail has had to realise that some of them have to be replaced. There's the same issue near the reservoirs on Ferry Lane where three bridges there slow down the trains and are all earmarked for replacement but only in Control Period 5 which starts April 2014. Some bridges near Queens Rd were dealt with a couple of years ago and the one across Leyton High Rd was repaired and repainted last year. Moving on to the buses then selfishly I'd like the W11 to remain unchanged. I suspect you're right that the W15 will be the one that is restored to Palmerston Rd as the PVR has had to be increased to cope with the longer route and TfL will want to save that money. I can see the arguments both ways - I agree that some people in Higham Hill have the 158 as a valid option to the tube. However there are people who wait for the W15 on Forest Rd for the direct link to the town centre and beyond. It gives a direct link to Whipps Cross for example. The challenge for TfL will be whether they feel the W15 can cope with loadings on Palmerston Rd when it reopens. I've lost count of the times I've seen huge queues for the stops nearest the High St and the chronic overloading on the W11 and W15 so there's no doubt that catching buses at the mid point of the High St is convenient for people. I hope only the W15 is rerouted but I fear TfL will restore both routes as they were no matter what people say.
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Post by bengady3 on Jan 3, 2014 21:55:45 GMT
By making the route 265 busier extend it to somewhere like Fulham, Munster Road or Parsons Green
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Post by Trident on Jan 3, 2014 22:44:39 GMT
A couple of ideas. The W14 from Leyton ASDA to Stratford City. Probably achieveable with 1 extra bus. Extend the 274 from Angel to Old Street to give a cross Islington link, remove some interchange traffic from the Angel area and link to "Silicon City" at Old Street. Two buses should be enough. I agree with both suggestions.. I have advocated for Route W14 to be extended to Stratford for at least ten years! My proposal:Route W14 should be diverted between Melon Road (the first left turn on Cathall Road towards Leyton) and the roundabout, near the Leisure Centre via Melon Road, Corn Way, Anglian Road and Hollydown Way, rejoining its current line of route to Leyton. (5 Mins extra] In regards to the extension to Stratford: Double run in Leyton Superstores back onto the A106 (Eastway), turn left onto Sherrin Road, Straight down Temple Mills Lane via the Velopark. Turn left at the junction of Honour Lea Ave and Temple Mills Lane, serving the latter. Turn right onto Major Road and then left onto Chobham Road, right onto Leytonstone and follow Route 257 to Stratford Station Bus Station. [8-12 minutes] Proposal reasons:1. I have observed frequently passengers coming off at the roundabout on Cathall Road and walking down Hollydown Way 2. It would provide the Hollydown Way catchment area with a local bus to Asda's and the train station 3. The extension to Stratford via Chobham Road and Major Road would reduce loads on Route 69 and 257. Passengers who are travelling on Chobham Road and High Road Leytonstone (Harrow Green) may be tempted to use Route W14 instead. Right now, with 3 buses out of 4 that go right past the retail park/Leyton Station towards Stratford, I don't think it would be neccessary to add more resources between Leyton and Stratford/Stratford City. If your fantasy proposal did go ahead I'm not actually sure who will use it, because you are passing via the Olympic Park and then taking a long diversion over to the 69/257 routing on Leytonstone Road.
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Post by COBO on Jan 3, 2014 22:45:16 GMT
Extend the 83 from Ealing Hospital to Southall Town Hall via Uxbridge Road and South Road. To link Southall with Alperton. It will take 9 minutes.
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