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Post by Ice Prxnce on Jan 16, 2014 18:24:07 GMT
I wouldn't mind GAL or TT getting the 34, with some B5LH Definitely can't see Tower Transit getting the 34 - the light running between Lea Interchange and Barnet would be really long. If GAL get it, I doubt there would be any space at NP as route 20 has moved there. I personally want Arriva to retain the route as the times I've been on the 34, I've noticed that they do a good job at running it. We'll just have to wait until February or March for the results to come out. |
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ROUTE 34
Jan 16, 2014 18:26:03 GMT
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Post by Ice Prxnce on Jan 16, 2014 18:26:03 GMT
Does anybody know why DLA350 was withdrawn in the first place because it wasn't that old?
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ROUTE 34
Jan 16, 2014 18:32:01 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Jan 16, 2014 18:32:01 GMT
Does anybody know why DLA350 was withdrawn in the first place because it wasn't that old? It had an accident and was written off - I mentioned it end of last year somewhere in the Arriva London topic. EDIT: Page 342 |
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ROUTE 34
Jan 16, 2014 19:16:55 GMT
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Jan 16, 2014 19:16:55 GMT
I've been using the 34 all week! Still nice to get a DLA! The buses are clean most of the time! As people have said, it's the passengers that cause it, not the operator! During the peaks, the 34 gets quite busy, even my 34 from Walthamstow Bus Station had to leave passengers behind and I saw a DLA get subbed too! I reckon Arriva will keep it with either new Ts or DWs, HVs are unlikely, but you never know!
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 16, 2014 22:26:39 GMT
The 34 could be an existing bus tender using redundant buses from the 38.There are going to be about 60 spare soon. No doubt these will for either directly or indirectly the newer buses on the 317 and 412 with some possibly for the 415 retender next year.
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ROUTE 34
Jan 16, 2014 22:30:04 GMT
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Post by Ice Prxnce on Jan 16, 2014 22:30:04 GMT
The 34 could be an existing bus tender using redundant buses from the 38.There are going to be about 60 spare soon. No doubt these will for either directly or indirectly the newer buses on the 317 and 412 with some possibly for the 415 retender next year. That's if the 415 isn't withdrawn... |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 16, 2014 23:01:01 GMT
I cant see it being withdraw TBH. Simple reason there was a capacity problem between Brixton and Tulse Hill which extending the 432 to Elephant would not solve.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 17, 2014 0:12:29 GMT
The 34 could be an existing bus tender using redundant buses from the 38.There are going to be about 60 spare soon. No doubt these will for either directly or indirectly the newer buses on the 317 and 412 with some possibly for the 415 retender next year. That's if the 415 isn't withdrawn... Sorry but it's Mr Grumpy here. Can we please stop going on and on and on about withdrawing route 415? We've done the debate to death and not reached a conclusion - a few people support withdrawal, a few support retention. As far as I know neither Mr Barry (Head of TfL Bus Service Planning) nor Mr Daniels (MD Surface Transport) nor Sir Peter Hendy (Commissioner) are regular posters to this group so no one of any great influence reads the debate here. Given the 415 carries over 2m a people it is not a marginal service and therefore extremely unlikely to be withdrawn. TfL have not yet responded to the Assembly's Bus Report nor has the bus budget been savagely cut so TfL seem to be continuing their policy of keeping the network intact. Only if we get a distinct change of policy will the debate about mass service cuts or withdrawals have any potential validity (it'd depend on what was being said in the policy). The Transport Committee are trying to organise a follow up meeting in Jan 2014 on the Bus Report's recommendations which might force the pace of getting a response from TfL. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 17, 2014 1:28:35 GMT
The 34 could be an existing bus tender using redundant buses from the 38.There are going to be about 60 spare soon. No doubt these will for either directly or indirectly the newer buses on the 317 and 412 with some possibly for the 415 retender next year. I'm not no sure about the 415 (don't worry 'snoggle', not mentioning pointless or withdrawl   ) as I wonder whether more new T's or HV's would be ordered for the 415 given the Enviro 400 & Volvo connections at N plus the fact that should the 2 be most likely retained, it's likely to gain HV's. |
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ROUTE 34
Jan 17, 2014 7:14:59 GMT
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Post by snowman on Jan 17, 2014 7:14:59 GMT
Definitely can't see Tower Transit getting the 34 - the light running between Lea Interchange and Barnet would be really long. If GAL get it, I doubt there would be any space at NP as route 20 has moved there. I personally want Arriva to retain the route as the times I've been on the 34, I've noticed that they do a good job at running it. We'll just have to wait until February or March for the results to come out. There seems to be a lot of claims about garages being full on here. A look back at historical revisions of londonbusroutes.net suggest at one point NP's PVR was 160 and it currently stands at 139. PVR of the 34 is 20 which would take it to 159. I don't know, of course, if circumstances have changed at NP. Historical revision: web.archive.org/web/20011215051236/http://www.londonbusroutes.net/garages.htm#NPYou are correct that decades ago some garages had higher capacity. However that was based on smaller buses. Prior to WW2 they were narrower 7'6" or 2.25m wide, and shorter eg the RM route masters were only 27'6" or about 8.5m. Its fairly obvious that current buses take up about 1.2 - 1.3 former spaces. Another change is that they used to be parked closer side by side which could be done as mirrors were small and conductors aided parking. There are many old photos of buses neatly parked in dead straight rows only inches apart. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 17, 2014 10:15:39 GMT
Definitely can't see Tower Transit getting the 34 - the light running between Lea Interchange and Barnet would be really long. If GAL get it, I doubt there would be any space at NP as route 20 has moved there. I personally want Arriva to retain the route as the times I've been on the 34, I've noticed that they do a good job at running it. We'll just have to wait until February or March for the results to come out. There seems to be a lot of claims about garages being full on here. A look back at historical revisions of londonbusroutes.net suggest at one point NP's PVR was 160 and it currently stands at 139. PVR of the 34 is 20 which would take it to 159. I don't know, of course, if circumstances have changed at NP. The one I'm looking at dates from 2001, 12 years ago. Historical revision: web.archive.org/web/20011215051236/http://www.londonbusroutes.net/garages.htm#NPI found that old page quite interesting. Thanks for sharing |
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Post by towerman on Jan 17, 2014 14:51:24 GMT
Re garage capacity,in the 70's Leyton had a capacity of 112 buses it's now 88 I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2014 19:23:15 GMT
Why can,t you see tower transit get the 34 they have space and they wouldn,t run dead to barnet church all the time + from lea interchange to walthamstow is only 10 minutes away, one other thing when tower transit bought First we had a meeting with the new owner who said they will try to double the size of the company in 3 years so even if their is no space they could will find the space. But i also heard from a friend who works at stagecoach leyton garage who said they may lose the 55 fingers crossed not if that happend stagecoach will have a space for 34 so we will see.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 17, 2014 23:09:56 GMT
Why can,t you see tower transit get the 34 they have space and they wouldn,t run dead to barnet church all the time + from lea interchange to walthamstow is only 10 minutes away, one other thing when tower transit bought First we had a meeting with the new owner who said they will try to double the size of the company in 3 years so even if their is no space they could will find the space. But i also heard from a friend who works at stagecoach leyton garage who said they may lose the 55 fingers crossed not if that happend stagecoach will have a space for 34 so we will see. Lea Interchange is 10 mins from Walthamstow when the buses have wings and are powered by jet engines! Ok a bit of an exaggeration on my part - I guess early morning runs could get through quite quickly but at other times no way - it's just too much of a crawl through Leyton. It can take 10 minutes to crawl from Downsell Road to Leyton Library given the traffic light phasing. The owners of Tower Transit may well wish to double the size of the company but there is a lot of competition these days in East London so that's gonna be a struggle. West London is harder because Metroline are pretty dominant but TT don't have a lot of surplus garage capacity. They'll get some back when Crossrail restore the side parking capacity at Westbourne Park. Otherwise TT face having to establish new garages which is not easy either. I think we need to be careful with route loss speculation. There'll always be gossip and anxiety about route losses given that in theory any route can be lost by the incumbent operator. Doesn't mean that it will be lost though! |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Jan 18, 2014 0:00:29 GMT
Why can,t you see tower transit get the 34 they have space and they wouldn,t run dead to barnet church all the time + from lea interchange to walthamstow is only 10 minutes away, one other thing when tower transit bought First we had a meeting with the new owner who said they will try to double the size of the company in 3 years so even if their is no space they could will find the space. But i also heard from a friend who works at stagecoach leyton garage who said they may lose the 55 fingers crossed not if that happend stagecoach will have a space for 34 so we will see. Lea Interchange is 10 mins from Walthamstow when the buses have wings and are powered by jet engines! Ok a bit of an exaggeration on my part - I guess early morning runs could get through quite quickly but at other times no way - it's just too much of a crawl through Leyton. It can take 10 minutes to crawl from Downsell Road to Leyton Library given the traffic light phasing. The owners of Tower Transit may well wish to double the size of the company but there is a lot of competition these days in East London so that's gonna be a struggle. West London is harder because Metroline are pretty dominant but TT don't have a lot of surplus garage capacity. They'll get some back when Crossrail restore the side parking capacity at Westbourne Park. Otherwise TT face having to establish new garages which is not easy either. I think we need to be careful with route loss speculation. There'll always be gossip and anxiety about route losses given that in theory any route can be lost by the incumbent operator. Doesn't mean that it will be lost though! Rumours can (and often) be proved wrong. The tender system can throw us many surprises, and we don't know an actual result until results are announced by TfL. And the 34 could get existing buses (if say the 38 gained LTs then its DWs could go somewhere else, e.g. AE which releases Ts from 78/168 to AD and these can go onto the 34, which if I lived on the route I would be pleased ) Is U still available? If so then TT can move into there. In my view also, Tower Transit should've taken over First London as a whole (bar DM maybe), rather than just XAS * and LI, would've added more competition plus I find it very weird seeing Metroline buses with First interior etc. *Yes,I know that technically they are two diffrent garages but they often share the odd bus or two from time to time, plus AS changeovers take place outside X |
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) as I wonder whether more new T's or HV's would be ordered for the 415 given the Enviro 400 & Volvo connections at N plus the fact that should the 2 be most likely retained, it's likely to gain HV's.
