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Post by greeny253 on Feb 22, 2014 0:32:59 GMT
As the title suggests, I'm getting sick of the rumour mill being hard at work.
With the over-run of a notice of event for Eldon Street and the posting in the garage of the route record effective 01/03/14 for the re-routing across the front of UCH instead of going round the back of it, the rumours are flying that the 205 will permanently route through Shoreditch from this date. I even heard one today that there had been a petition to keep it going through Shoreditch. As ever, a Google search turns up nothing.
So my questions to those in the know;
1/. Any idea when the diversion through the city is likely to be lifted? 2/. Have the works on Eldon Street finished/overrun or is it just a matter of waiting for a data release to happen to return the 205 to its correct routing?
Frankly on this one I'm not even believing the garage supervisors so if we could avoid speculative posts here that would be great!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 1:16:32 GMT
The London Bus Routes site says the diversion is due to finish on 10th August link
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Post by RM5chris on Feb 22, 2014 10:41:24 GMT
...thought this posting was going to be about the 205 going over to NB4L as mentioned in Buses magazine....
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 22, 2014 11:41:00 GMT
...thought this posting was going to be about the 205 going over to NB4L as mentioned in Buses magazine.... wait, What! That Surely can't happen now seeing as E40Hs have been Ordered
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 11:59:14 GMT
The 205 is not going to NRM......
The route is forever diverted so I am not sure when the Eldon a Street section is duet I finish but do know there are even bigger diversions coming up over e course of the next year.....
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Post by RM5chris on Feb 22, 2014 13:00:59 GMT
...thought this posting was going to be about the 205 going over to NB4L as mentioned in Buses magazine.... wait, What! That Surely can't happen now seeing as E40Hs have been Ordered My post was in jest as Buses magazine has published this when it has been said as not happening. Still, they have a whole month to correct/retract!
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Post by greeny253 on Feb 22, 2014 14:39:39 GMT
The 205 is not going to NRM...... The route is forever diverted so I am not sure when the Eldon a Street section is duet I finish but do know there are even bigger diversions coming up over e course of the next year..... You're telling me! As a regular driver of this route the diversions do my head in. The Eldon Street diversion has a notice of event with it but there hasn't been one reissued to give the staff any idea of when it's gonna end. I do rather hope that it isn't going through to August as mentioned above!
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Post by moz on Feb 22, 2014 16:16:43 GMT
The 205 is not going to NRM...... The route is forever diverted so I am not sure when the Eldon a Street section is duet I finish but do know there are even bigger diversions coming up over e course of the next year..... You're telling me! As a regular driver of this route the diversions do my head in. The Eldon Street diversion has a notice of event with it but there hasn't been one reissued to give the staff any idea of when it's gonna end. I do rather hope that it isn't going through to August as mentioned above! Well us 133s are stuck in Houndsditch until August and we've nicked your stop. On the plus side we get six months away from mixing with the riff-raff on the 11s and 23s Moz
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Post by snoggle on Feb 22, 2014 18:20:19 GMT
Having been on a few visits to Crossrail construction sites recently it is no wonder that the end dates of diversions are not known. This is not to suggest things are chaotic just that the progress of the tunnel boring machines is a little unpredictable. At the Moorgate visit they were not clear when the TBMs will make it through the City area and I suspect that has a relationship to the extent of surface works at places like Moorgate and Liverpool Street.
I don't know why drivers would get "into a frenzy" about diversions. Surely they just need reasonable notice about when they start and to be clear as to what roads on to be covered? Personally I think the 205 running via Shoreditch and Bishopsgate makes much more sense that crawling through Moorgate which has always been slow. Having a double approach (205 and 214) to Liverpool Street from City Road / Old St gives decent options for everyone and it is no great hardship to walk through Liverpool St and Finsbury Circus to reach Moorgate if you were a route 205 user.
On a wider note the recent changes due to the bus station closing are irksome. I wanted to get a bus at Houndsditch the other day and had to walk back to London Wall to get it. Thankfully I just caught the bus I wanted. In a perfect world (ho ho) there would be much better arrangements for bus stops / bus station at Liverpool St but instead we're lumbered with buses thrown to the four winds. I doubt things will improve very much when Crossrail is completed because the station entrance in front of Broadgate will probably require the area to be fully pedestrianised thus preventing buses cutting down Eldon St from Moorgate to reach the bus station.
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Post by greeny253 on Feb 22, 2014 20:14:35 GMT
You're telling me! As a regular driver of this route the diversions do my head in. The Eldon Street diversion has a notice of event with it but there hasn't been one reissued to give the staff any idea of when it's gonna end. I do rather hope that it isn't going through to August as mentioned above! Well us 133s are stuck in Houndsditch until August and we've nicked your stop. On the plus side we get six months away from mixing with the riff-raff on the 11s and 23s Moz I'm actually glad they've done that! It's one thing serving that stop. It's another to pull away from it when it's busy - as I expect you're finding out! Do you go along London Wall? Any chance you could tell me what routes are on that first stop as you cross Bishopsgate?
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Post by greeny253 on Feb 22, 2014 20:26:14 GMT
Having been on a few visits to Crossrail construction sites recently it is no wonder that the end dates of diversions are not known. This is not to suggest things are chaotic just that the progress of the tunnel boring machines is a little unpredictable. At the Moorgate visit they were not clear when the TBMs will make it through the City area and I suspect that has a relationship to the extent of surface works at places like Moorgate and Liverpool Street. I don't know why drivers would get "into a frenzy" about diversions. Surely they just need reasonable notice about when they start and to be clear as to what roads on to be covered? Personally I think the 205 running via Shoreditch and Bishopsgate makes much more sense that crawling through Moorgate which has always been slow. Having a double approach (205 and 214) to Liverpool Street from City Road / Old St gives decent options for everyone and it is no great hardship to walk through Liverpool St and Finsbury Circus to reach Moorgate if you were a route 205 user. On a wider note the recent changes due to the bus station closing are irksome. I wanted to get a bus at Houndsditch the other day and had to walk back to London Wall to get it. Thankfully I just caught the bus I wanted. In a perfect world (ho ho) there would be much better arrangements for bus stops / bus station at Liverpool St but instead we're lumbered with buses thrown to the four winds. I doubt things will improve very much when Crossrail is completed because the station entrance in front of Broadgate will probably require the area to be fully pedestrianised thus preventing buses cutting down Eldon St from Moorgate to reach the bus station. The diversion doesn't really bother me. The thing that's annoying me is I'm still getting people ask me if the 205 is "still going to Liverpool Street" when I reach Old Street and the iBus informs everyone we're on diversion after this stop. This despite the diversion being in place since last July. That and most of the people I pick up on the diversion seem to think they're gods gift to the world. And just lately I'm getting a lot of people ask me if I'm going to Moorgate. If the information on the stops is there, the spider maps have been changed then why are we suddenly getting asked this? All I'm after is some communication to the people on the ground. If the diversion is going to run until August we should be told. As it happens, the NOE was issued with a finish date of February 9th and here we are on the 22nd with no communication as to what's happening. The information relating to this diversion (with dates to match the start and a finish date of the 14th) have been removed from the Crossrail website hence my original question of whether it's run over or if we are just waiting for a data release to happen.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 22, 2014 20:27:23 GMT
Do you go along London Wall? Any chance you could tell me what routes are on that first stop as you cross Bishopsgate? Bus Map
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Post by moz on Feb 23, 2014 15:10:14 GMT
Checked the stop in Wormwood Street, only lists the 100, 133 and N133 both sides. The Houndsditch stand isn't actually that bad because unlike the stop it's been extended to right down outside All Bar One. This means that on departure you simply spin on full right lock, wait for a short gap and blast off down St Mary Axe.
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Post by greeny253 on Mar 26, 2014 22:40:19 GMT
Right I'm jumping on this one again.
I was diverted along the correct routing for the 205 tonight so I didn't bust my driving hours sitting in traffic caused by the resurfacing works on Great Eastern Street.
Aside from some traffic management that wasn't there before along Moorgate I got through absolutely fine. So what I'd like to know now is WHY this route is still on diversion if it's normal line if route is traversable. Answers from those in the know are preferred at this stage.
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Post by Swadbus on Mar 27, 2014 4:49:32 GMT
Changes for 205 (provisional dates) as I understand them:
07/06/14 - initial provisional day for changes to create 2 way road operation of Aldgate gyratory (believe this is under consultation?) 29/09/14 - provisional finish date to Liverpool street diversion - believed this diversion is because of the volume of buses displaced from Liverpool Street area needing to stand elsewhere (Eldon street closure) to try and maintain reliability.
Obviously a lot of this is speculation as both are major projects.
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