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Post by greeny253 on Mar 27, 2014 10:05:17 GMT
Changes for 205 (provisional dates) as I understand them: 07/06/14 - initial provisional day for changes to create 2 way road operation of Aldgate gyratory (believe this is under consultation?) 29/09/14 - provisional finish date to Liverpool street diversion - believed this diversion is because of the volume of buses displaced from Liverpool Street area needing to stand elsewhere (Eldon street closure) to try and maintain reliability. Obviously a lot of this is speculation as both are major projects. Thank you. I believe there's a link on this forum somewhere regarding the changes at Aldgate - I will be interested to see if there any benefits to the traffic flow around there or if it'll just make it worse! Changes to the road network are great until people go back to old habits as is being seen now the cones between the contra flow bus lane and the normal traffic have been removed up at UCH/Euston Square. We're getting cars driving at us just assuming that it's 2 lane again, though I understand they'll be painting that at some point this week - there's an NOE to that extent in the garage in any case. It's a shame the 205 diversion is being dragged out though obviously if there's a reason for it then it's understandable. Having slept on this one, and driven down Moorgate last night, I can now see why it's still on diversion. At the sort of time of day I went through there, Moorgate was empty so having one lane open was alright cos there was no traffic. I'd expect that during the day if the traffic gets bad enough, we could lose a lot more than we currently are going along Great Eastern Street.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2014 21:57:14 GMT
Right I'm jumping on this one again. I was diverted along the correct routing for the 205 tonight so I didn't bust my driving hours sitting in traffic caused by the resurfacing works on Great Eastern Street. Aside from some traffic management that wasn't there before along Moorgate I got through absolutely fine. So what I'd like to know now is WHY this route is still on diversion if it's normal line if route is traversable. Answers from those in the know are preferred at this stage. Possibly a permanent diversion will be on tfl consultation website any time soon
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Post by routew15 on Jun 1, 2014 8:56:04 GMT
...thought this posting was going to be about the 205 going over to NB4L as mentioned in Buses magazine.... wait, What! That Surely can't happen now seeing as E40Hs have been Ordered (Not saying it is going to happen but) It never stopped the 24 which had its new buses for a couple of months.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 1, 2014 9:44:34 GMT
Right I'm jumping on this one again. I was diverted along the correct routing for the 205 tonight so I didn't bust my driving hours sitting in traffic caused by the resurfacing works on Great Eastern Street. Aside from some traffic management that wasn't there before along Moorgate I got through absolutely fine. So what I'd like to know now is WHY this route is still on diversion if it's normal line if route is traversable. Answers from those in the know are preferred at this stage. Possibly a permanent diversion will be on tfl consultation website any time soon Good - the 205's route via Great Eastern St / Bishopsgate provides unique links in the bus network and should be preserved. Plenty of buses run via Moorgate, especially from City Road / Old St, but the round the corner link has been poorly served for years although the 135 from Bishopsgate to Old St put right the error of cancelling the old Red Arrow 505 after a gap of many years. Many years ago I worked at Old St and the buses were dreadful as was the Northern Line tube in off peak hours (8-10 min gaps were not unusual). It was like being in a transport desert.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 9:47:46 GMT
Possibly a permanent diversion will be on tfl consultation website any time soon Good - the 205's route via Great Eastern St / Bishopsgate provides unique links in the bus network and should be preserved. Plenty of buses run via Moorgate, especially from City Road / Old St, but the round the corner link has been poorly served for years although the 135 from Bishopsgate to Old St put right the error of cancelling the old Red Arrow 505 after a gap of many years. Many years ago I worked at Old St and the buses were dreadful as was the Northern Line tube in off peak hours (8-10 min gaps were not unusual). It was like being in a transport dessert. I like the sound of transport dessert. Yum!
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Post by greeny253 on Jun 1, 2014 17:33:51 GMT
Right I'm jumping on this one again. I was diverted along the correct routing for the 205 tonight so I didn't bust my driving hours sitting in traffic caused by the resurfacing works on Great Eastern Street. Aside from some traffic management that wasn't there before along Moorgate I got through absolutely fine. So what I'd like to know now is WHY this route is still on diversion if it's normal line if route is traversable. Answers from those in the know are preferred at this stage. Possibly a permanent diversion will be on tfl consultation website any time soon Makes no difference to me any more having got off the buses. That said, both the current routing and the old one had their problems. If they're gonna keep it the way it is, then serious consideration needs to be given to traffic light timings between Great Eastern Street and London Wall - it was possible to take anything between 5 and 12 minutes to traverse that stretch depending on traffic flow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 22:23:35 GMT
Possibly a permanent diversion will be on tfl consultation website any time soon Makes no difference to me any more having got off the buses. That said, both the current routing and the old one had their problems. If they're gonna keep it the way it is, then serious consideration needs to be given to traffic light timings between Great Eastern Street and London Wall - it was possible to take anything between 5 and 12 minutes to traverse that stretch depending on traffic flow. Mikey lol
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Post by snoggle on Jun 12, 2014 16:17:08 GMT
I see the TfL Bus Changes document states the weekend N205 service is increased to x20 from the end of June. About time given how some N205s can load. Still disappointing this route can't run on to Leyton Town Hall to connect with the N26.
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Post by greeny253 on Jun 12, 2014 19:13:33 GMT
I see the TfL Bus Changes document states the weekend N205 service is increased to x20 from the end of June. About time given how some N205s can load. Still disappointing this route can't run on to Leyton Town Hall to connect with the N26. That service needs a serious frequency increase on Friday and Saturday nights. Even the proposed 20 minutes won't be enough.
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Post by sid on Jun 13, 2014 10:01:04 GMT
I see the TfL Bus Changes document states the weekend N205 service is increased to x20 from the end of June. About time given how some N205s can load. Still disappointing this route can't run on to Leyton Town Hall to connect with the N26. That service needs a serious frequency increase on Friday and Saturday nights. Even the proposed 20 minutes won't be enough. I would have thought a x10min frequency would be justified Fri/Sat nights, at least between Bow Church and Kings Cross?
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Post by Swadbus on Jun 13, 2014 16:53:13 GMT
wait, What! That Surely can't happen now seeing as E40Hs have been Ordered (Not saying it is going to happen but) It never stopped the 24 which had its new buses for a couple of months. My partner has seen some Stagecoach NB4L's seemingly being "tested" along the 205 current routing in the Old Street/Shoreditch area several times this week.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 17:04:23 GMT
Having been on a few visits to Crossrail construction sites recently it is no wonder that the end dates of diversions are not known. This is not to suggest things are chaotic just that the progress of the tunnel boring machines is a little unpredictable. At the Moorgate visit they were not clear when the TBMs will make it through the City area and I suspect that has a relationship to the extent of surface works at places like Moorgate and Liverpool Street. I don't know why drivers would get "into a frenzy" about diversions. Surely they just need reasonable notice about when they start and to be clear as to what roads on to be covered? Personally I think the 205 running via Shoreditch and Bishopsgate makes much more sense that crawling through Moorgate which has always been slow. Having a double approach (205 and 214) to Liverpool Street from City Road / Old St gives decent options for everyone and it is no great hardship to walk through Liverpool St and Finsbury Circus to reach Moorgate if you were a route 205 user. On a wider note the recent changes due to the bus station closing are irksome. I wanted to get a bus at Houndsditch the other day and had to walk back to London Wall to get it. Thankfully I just caught the bus I wanted. In a perfect world (ho ho) there would be much better arrangements for bus stops / bus station at Liverpool St but instead we're lumbered with buses thrown to the four winds. I doubt things will improve very much when Crossrail is completed because the station entrance in front of Broadgate will probably require the area to be fully pedestrianised thus preventing buses cutting down Eldon St from Moorgate to reach the bus station. The diversion doesn't really bother me. The thing that's annoying me is I'm still getting people ask me if the 205 is "still going to Liverpool Street" when I reach Old Street and the iBus informs everyone we're on diversion after this stop. This despite the diversion being in place since last July. That and most of the people I pick up on the diversion seem to think they're gods gift to the world. And just lately I'm getting a lot of people ask me if I'm going to Moorgate. If the information on the stops is there, the spider maps have been changed then why are we suddenly getting asked this? All I'm after is some communication to the people on the ground. If the diversion is going to run until August we should be told. As it happens, the NOE was issued with a finish date of February 9th and here we are on the 22nd with no communication as to what's happening. The information relating to this diversion (with dates to match the start and a finish date of the 14th) have been removed from the Crossrail website hence my original question of whether it's run over or if we are just waiting for a data release to happen. Very off-topic, but the chances are I've seen you before plenty of times- I use the 8 and 205 5-6 days a week. Since you're a BW driver, why did 12308 break down today? Do you know?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 19:37:08 GMT
(Not saying it is going to happen but) It never stopped the 24 which had its new buses for a couple of months. My partner has seen some Stagecoach NB4L's seemingly being "tested" along the 205 current routing in the Old Street/Shoreditch area several times this week. TBH I wouldn't read too much into that. Maybe the trainer prefers that area. I would be shocked if there was a sudden change of plan and the 205 got converted.
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Post by greeny253 on Jun 13, 2014 21:44:35 GMT
The diversion doesn't really bother me. The thing that's annoying me is I'm still getting people ask me if the 205 is "still going to Liverpool Street" when I reach Old Street and the iBus informs everyone we're on diversion after this stop. This despite the diversion being in place since last July. That and most of the people I pick up on the diversion seem to think they're gods gift to the world. And just lately I'm getting a lot of people ask me if I'm going to Moorgate. If the information on the stops is there, the spider maps have been changed then why are we suddenly getting asked this? All I'm after is some communication to the people on the ground. If the diversion is going to run until August we should be told. As it happens, the NOE was issued with a finish date of February 9th and here we are on the 22nd with no communication as to what's happening. The information relating to this diversion (with dates to match the start and a finish date of the 14th) have been removed from the Crossrail website hence my original question of whether it's run over or if we are just waiting for a data release to happen. Very off-topic, but the chances are I've seen you before plenty of times- I use the 8 and 205 5-6 days a week. Since you're a BW driver, why did 12308 break down today? Do you know? I'm not a Bow driver any more mate. Been off the buses a few weeks now
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 13, 2014 21:54:43 GMT
(Not saying it is going to happen but) It never stopped the 24 which had its new buses for a couple of months. My partner has seen some Stagecoach NB4L's seemingly being "tested" along the 205 current routing in the Old Street/Shoreditch area several times this week. Seeing as routes 55 and 56's Tenders are coming up, there is always the possibility that the 205s buses could get sent to the 55/56.
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