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Post by vjaska on Aug 28, 2018 23:51:09 GMT
I remember those very well, used to take those when my grandparents lived in South Wimbledon from time to time when I was little. I didn’t like them too much though, but I’m rather suprised they only lasted one contract before the DOE’s came in, were they leased? I also remember on the top deck there was no moquette on a few of the seats close to the rear. I thought this was in preparation for their withdrawal but turns out it was to prevent vandalism, which I only found out recently. I believe that these were simply plastic seats and were also used on certain AVLs as well The AVL's, PVL's from V to 02 reg (I seem to remember the 52 reg having regular seating) & EVL's all had the vandal proof plastic seats although other buses with other operators had similar seats fitted such as L's, M's & T's. Interestingly, none of the X or 02 reg PDL's had plastic seats as well as the 02 reg WVL's.
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Post by redexpress on Aug 29, 2018 6:41:18 GMT
What?!?!! Go-Ahead had those??? Never knew that! They only lasted one 7 year contract, between 2002 and early 2009. I think however three of them moved to SW after the DOE introduction and lasted until 2011, which ones were they? I remember EVL5 being one of them but not sure about the other three. Not just SW, a handful of EVLs was retained after most of the batch had gone off-lease and were used at several garages, I guess as refurb cover or similar. They certainly worked from Q and AF as well as SW. Can't help you with the exact fleetnumbers though.
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Post by snowman on Aug 29, 2018 7:00:57 GMT
They only lasted one 7 year contract, between 2002 and early 2009. I think however three of them moved to SW after the DOE introduction and lasted until 2011, which ones were they? I remember EVL5 being one of them but not sure about the other three. Not just SW, a handful of EVLs was retained after most of the batch had gone off-lease and were used at several garages, I guess as refurb cover or similar. They certainly worked from Q and AF as well as SW. Can't help you with the exact fleetnumbers though. Not sure they were leased as they transferred to other GoAhead companies, I think Plymouth took majority of them
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Post by grubbysa on Sept 3, 2018 22:07:58 GMT
Not just SW, a handful of EVLs was retained after most of the batch had gone off-lease and were used at several garages, I guess as refurb cover or similar. They certainly worked from Q and AF as well as SW. Can't help you with the exact fleetnumbers though. Not sure they were leased as they transferred to other GoAhead companies, I think Plymouth took majority of them Don't Sullivan have some now? Must say ELV2-4 and ELV6 are absolute beauties, they glided through the country roads in Totteridge effortlessly and more recently I got one on Sullivan's 398 and it had no issues keeping up with cars on the dual carriageway section.
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Post by ronnie on Sept 6, 2018 22:06:40 GMT
Having done 48 and 69 end to end today (and completing outstanding sections on D7 and 8), I have now done the following end to end
8, 15, 21, 25, 29, 35, 48, 69, 100, 115, 123, 135, 147, 277, 344, 388, RV1, D6, D7, D8
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Post by busoccultation on Sept 16, 2018 12:18:20 GMT
Done the 425 end to end yesterday all the to Ilford, Was nice to see some decent loads on the new section even though there was questions from the passengers about where it does go etc..
Also done the 486 end to end on Monday whilst popping into Southeast London for about few hours.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 16, 2018 13:29:02 GMT
Redone the 425 end to end yesterday having last done it end to end on the first day it was introduced roughly 10 years ago and with a on loan Metroline TP - this time, I had one of its own 13 reg DN’s. Decent loads on the existing section between Clapton & Stratford but we were a little quiet between Stratford & Ilford - people were a little confused about the 425’s extension in general and where it stopped at Stratford Bus Station and people were actively letting 425’s go to board much busier 25’s & 86’s presumably due to familiarity.
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 16, 2018 14:05:38 GMT
Redone the 425 end to end yesterday having last done it end to end on the first day it was introduced roughly 10 years ago and with a on loan Metroline TP - this time, I had one of its own 13 reg DN’s. Decent loads on the existing section between Clapton & Stratford but we were a little quiet between Stratford & Ilford - people were a little confused about the 425’s extension in general and where it stopped at Stratford Bus Station and people were actively letting 425’s go to board much busier 25’s & 86’s presumably due to familiarity. Very Similar to when the 320 was extended to Catford a lot of people ignored it and waited for the 208. I wonder how many people got off a 425 at Stratford waiting then got off and waited for a 25 going to Ilford. I imagine tomorrow a lot of people will use it when they realise they cannot board a 25.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 16, 2018 18:54:18 GMT
Redone the 425 end to end yesterday having last done it end to end on the first day it was introduced roughly 10 years ago and with a on loan Metroline TP - this time, I had one of its own 13 reg DN’s. Decent loads on the existing section between Clapton & Stratford but we were a little quiet between Stratford & Ilford - people were a little confused about the 425’s extension in general and where it stopped at Stratford Bus Station and people were actively letting 425’s go to board much busier 25’s & 86’s presumably due to familiarity. And all because TfL cannot be bothered to advertise / promote changes in advance and ensure people are aware when things *do* change. To think that LT were vastly better than this even in the 1980s when their reputation was not the best. For an organisation that is supposedly a "world leader" TfL are unutterably useless when it comes to changes on the bus network.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 16, 2018 19:03:49 GMT
Redone the 425 end to end yesterday having last done it end to end on the first day it was introduced roughly 10 years ago and with a on loan Metroline TP - this time, I had one of its own 13 reg DN’s. Decent loads on the existing section between Clapton & Stratford but we were a little quiet between Stratford & Ilford - people were a little confused about the 425’s extension in general and where it stopped at Stratford Bus Station and people were actively letting 425’s go to board much busier 25’s & 86’s presumably due to familiarity. I had a very contrasting experience, I actually let a 425 go at Stratford towards Ilford because of how packed it was. Although I wouldn't be surprised if most of this is just people getting on a bus that looks identical to the 25 that they normally use. The buses seemed to be picking up decent loads in Ilford as well.
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Post by rj131 on Sept 16, 2018 19:05:24 GMT
Redone the 425 end to end yesterday having last done it end to end on the first day it was introduced roughly 10 years ago and with a on loan Metroline TP - this time, I had one of its own 13 reg DN’s. Decent loads on the existing section between Clapton & Stratford but we were a little quiet between Stratford & Ilford - people were a little confused about the 425’s extension in general and where it stopped at Stratford Bus Station and people were actively letting 425’s go to board much busier 25’s & 86’s presumably due to familiarity. And all because TfL cannot be bothered to advertise / promote changes in advance and ensure people are aware when things *do* change. To think that LT were vastly better than this even in the 1980s when their reputation was not the best. For an organisation that is supposedly a "world leader" TfL are unutterably useless when it comes to changes on the bus network.Do you think it’s to do with them pretty much ‘giving up’ on the bus network now if you like? Were TfL this bad at advertising changes a few years back (like early to mid 2010s) when bus usage was booming?
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 16, 2018 19:40:04 GMT
Redone the 425 end to end yesterday having last done it end to end on the first day it was introduced roughly 10 years ago and with a on loan Metroline TP - this time, I had one of its own 13 reg DN’s. Decent loads on the existing section between Clapton & Stratford but we were a little quiet between Stratford & Ilford - people were a little confused about the 425’s extension in general and where it stopped at Stratford Bus Station and people were actively letting 425’s go to board much busier 25’s & 86’s presumably due to familiarity. And all because TfL cannot be bothered to advertise / promote changes in advance and ensure people are aware when things *do* change. To think that LT were vastly better than this even in the 1980s when their reputation was not the best. For an organisation that is supposedly a "world leader" TfL are unutterably useless when it comes to changes on the bus network. To be fair the 425 is extension is covering the from Stratford to Ilford 25. So really speaks for itself really so don't need much advertising just ask the drivers where it goes really. If it is a re-route or withdrawal then I agree there should be plenty of notice. Then if people don't know or pay attention then nothing can be said.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 19:59:44 GMT
Redone the 425 end to end yesterday having last done it end to end on the first day it was introduced roughly 10 years ago and with a on loan Metroline TP - this time, I had one of its own 13 reg DN’s. Decent loads on the existing section between Clapton & Stratford but we were a little quiet between Stratford & Ilford - people were a little confused about the 425’s extension in general and where it stopped at Stratford Bus Station and people were actively letting 425’s go to board much busier 25’s & 86’s presumably due to familiarity. I had a very contrasting experience, I actually let a 425 go at Stratford towards Ilford because of how packed it was. Although I wouldn't be surprised if most of this is just people getting on a bus that looks identical to the 25 that they normally use. The buses seemed to be picking up decent loads in Ilford as well. Could be interesting going the other way and passengers get a shock when the bus turns at Mile End
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Post by rj131 on Sept 16, 2018 20:14:17 GMT
I had a very contrasting experience, I actually let a 425 go at Stratford towards Ilford because of how packed it was. Although I wouldn't be surprised if most of this is just people getting on a bus that looks identical to the 25 that they normally use. The buses seemed to be picking up decent loads in Ilford as well. Could be interesting going the other way and passengers get a shock when the bus turns at Mile End Like anything it just takes time for people to get used it, give it a couple of weeks and people will know exactly what’s happening I’m also glad to hear snoggle said the loads along the existing 425 were decent, I hope that’s the first sign of the route becoming better loaded because of an enhanced service *cough*cough*TfL take note what happens when you make improvements*
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 20:17:17 GMT
Could be interesting going the other way and passengers get a shock when the bus turns at Mile End Like anything it just takes time for people to get used it, give it a couple of weeks and people will know exactly what’s happening I’m also glad to hear snoggle said the loads along the existing 425 were decent, I hope that’s the first sign of the route becoming better loaded because of an enhanced service *cough*cough*TfL take note what happens when you make improvements* I was only joking about - I know people will get used to it.
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