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Post by jrussa on Apr 8, 2014 5:35:12 GMT
Hi everyone! I was reading on london.gov.uk website in the media press release that the Labour Assembly Member for City and East has received complaints from residents of not having a service from Wanstead Flats/Aldersbrook (I assume) to Whipps Cross. A suggestion, is for Route 330 to extend to Whipps Cross. I do recall a previous proposal for the route to extend to Canary Wharf! What is your opinion on Route 330 being extended? Is it required? Is the 308 sufficient enough to Wanstead? Do you believe there would be a greater demand? (I forgot to add the link) www.london.gov.uk/media/assembly-member-press-releases/labour-party/2014/03/news-from-john-biggsresidents-petition-to-extend-the-330-bus |
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Post by Green Kitten on Apr 8, 2014 8:20:48 GMT
Route 330 is so short! It could do with an extension both ways! How are you thinking of extending the 330? I was thinking via Snaresbrook... but the bridge at the station seems a bit short for DDs.
Canary Wharf is close to Canning Town too... should definitely be extended there, either via the 115's route or the 474's
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Post by Mokujin on Apr 8, 2014 9:02:11 GMT
Is Whipps Cross Hospital suitable for double deckers because I don't think it is unless I may be wrong.
I personally think it should be extended to Canary Wharf via East India Dock Crossing, Aspen Way Roundabout and Billingsgate Market which this would provide a bus link between Canary Wharf and Canning Town.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 8, 2014 9:15:21 GMT
Route 330 is so short! It could do with an extension both ways! How are you thinking of extending the 330? I was thinking via Snaresbrook... but the bridge at the station seems a bit short for DDs. Canary Wharf is close to Canning Town too... should definitely be extended there, either via the 115's route or the 474's As there is no sign on the bridge detailing its height, it should be absolutely fine for deckers as bridges over a certain height do not need to carry signs detailing its height. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 8, 2014 9:28:49 GMT
Hi everyone! I was reading on london.gov.uk website in the media press release that the Labour Assembly Member for City and East has received complaints from residents of not having a service from Wanstead Flats/Aldersbrook (I assume) to Whipps Cross. A suggestion, is for Route 330 to extend to Whipps Cross. I do recall a previous proposal for the route to extend to Canary Wharf! What is your opinion on Route 330 being extended? Is it required? Is the 308 sufficient enough to Wanstead? Do you believe there would be a greater demand? Funny because the W19 goes via part of Wanstead Flats and Aldersbrook and runs via Whipps Cross Hospital. People can make a same stop interchange with the 308 if travelling from the other side of the Flats. This is hardly a hardship given the the 308 has recently had an improved service. Sundays might be a tad awkward given the W19 is only half hourly. Having read the press release it seems the old people using the hospital are incapable of thought - "walking from Wanstead to the hospital". I'm sorry but I don't believe them given you can change to the W19 as I said or even the W12 at Wanstead itself and that serves the hospital directly. There was a proposal to extend the 330 to Canary Wharf but that was cancelled due to Boris demanded budget cuts - just like virtually every route improvement scheme. Mokujin is quite correct to point out that a double decker would come to certain grief in the grounds of the hospital due to a low bridge between two parts of the hospital. There is also no stand space at Whipps Cross which is what has prevented the extension of route 339. The proposals for the Mini Holland cycle scheme requires the complete reconstruction of Whipps Cross roundabout and no extra bus stand space is proposed in the plan (from what I can tell). Finally you simply cannot have a direct bus from everywhere to every hospital in Greater London. I cannot see the justification for extending 5 buses per hour from Wanstead Park to Whipps Cross via a part of London where there is not massive bus demand. I've used the W19 many times on the section past Wanstead Flats and you don't see legions of people waiting for buses. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 8, 2014 9:32:20 GMT
Route 330 is so short! It could do with an extension both ways! How are you thinking of extending the 330? I was thinking via Snaresbrook... but the bridge at the station seems a bit short for DDs. Canary Wharf is close to Canning Town too... should definitely be extended there, either via the 115's route or the 474's As there is no sign on the bridge detailing its height, it should be absolutely fine for deckers as bridges over a certain height do not need to carry signs detailing its height. If that was the case then the 357 would run in to the hospital on weekdays and it doesn't. It works in on Sundays when baby Darts are used. |
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 8, 2014 10:23:29 GMT
As there is no sign on the bridge detailing its height, it should be absolutely fine for deckers as bridges over a certain height do not need to carry signs detailing its height. If that was the case then the 357 would run in to the hospital on weekdays and it doesn't. It works in on Sundays when baby Darts are used. I think they mean the bridge at Snaresbrook ? , I think the 330 is relatively a short route just basically a overlap of the 5 & 115 and the 58 it did however used to run to Blackwall pre 99 with the old Scanias as I recall and the W19 used to be the 551 and run all the way to Basildon ! Imagine the duties on that ? and the delays that would be if that operated today !! but yeah I think the 330 does its purpose ok doesn't really need to be extended anywhere if its not broken dont fix it ! the 308 connects with the W19 & W12 which both serve Whipps Cross . |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 8, 2014 11:50:18 GMT
If that was the case then the 357 would run in to the hospital on weekdays and it doesn't. It works in on Sundays when baby Darts are used. I think they mean the bridge at Snaresbrook ? , I think the 330 is relatively a short route just basically a overlap of the 5 & 115 and the 58 it did however used to run to Blackwall pre 99 with the old Scanias as I recall and the W19 used to be the 551 and run all the way to Basildon ! Imagine the duties on that ? and the delays that would be if that operated today !! but yeah I think the 330 does its purpose ok doesn't really need to be extended anywhere if its not broken dont fix it ! the 308 connects with the W19 & W12 which both serve Whipps Cross . Yes sorry - there's no issue with the bridge at Snaresbrook given rail replacement deckers run under it without any issue. My comment about the hospital bridge which ob1234 mentioned stands though. I would have thought a 330 extension would be via the W19 to the Green Man, then along Whipps Cross Road. That's the shortest link which is typically how TfL plan things to minimise resource needs and journey times. It would take ages if it was to battle its way through Leytonstone to serve the tube station. I also would not send double decks via the north side of Leytonstone Station and Hainault Road given the congestion and tight turns. It's bad enough with the W15/16/19 all battling down there. *If* there is a need for a bus from Wanstead Park to Whipps Cross then just use an Optare Solo or Midi Dart on an hourly service as a trial service. It should need just one bus. If people miss that bus there remain frequent options by changing bus. The deep irony with the 551 (and the old 251) is that Thamesway couldn't make a decent fist of those routes even with Travelcard acceptance. TfL have shown what you can do with a consistent daily service on the old 551 corridor between Walthamstow and Ilford. As I've suggested before I think a modest x30 frequency on a resurrected 251 from Walthamstow to Romford would also work. Plenty of people change buses at Gants Hill from the 123 and head round to Eastern Avenue. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 8, 2014 13:33:02 GMT
As there is no sign on the bridge detailing its height, it should be absolutely fine for deckers as bridges over a certain height do not need to carry signs detailing its height. If that was the case then the 357 would run in to the hospital on weekdays and it doesn't. It works in on Sundays when baby Darts are used. Apologies, I was indeed referring to the railway bridge at Snaresbrook. I knew that the bridge at the Whipps Cross Hospital is low lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 20:04:00 GMT
Is Whipps Cross Hospital suitable for double deckers because I don't think it is unless I may be wrong. I personally think it should be extended to Canary Wharf via East India Dock Crossing, Aspen Way Roundabout and Billingsgate Market which this would provide a bus link between Canary Wharf and Canning Town. With the Wood Wharf development on the way another bus route here will be needed so maybe in the future the 330 will come to Canary Wharf vis Wood Wharf. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 20:05:54 GMT
Is Whipps Cross Hospital suitable for double deckers because I don't think it is unless I may be wrong. I personally think it should be extended to Canary Wharf via East India Dock Crossing, Aspen Way Roundabout and Billingsgate Market which this would provide a bus link between Canary Wharf and Canning Town. With the Wood Wharf development on the way another bus route here will be needed so maybe in the future the 330 will come to Canary Wharf vis Wood Wharf. I do wonder how many Canary Wharf folk would want to travel to wonderful places such as Canning Town , Plaistow and Upton Park  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 20:11:36 GMT
With the Wood Wharf development on the way another bus route here will be needed so maybe in the future the 330 will come to Canary Wharf via Wood Wharf. I do wonder how many Canary Wharf folk would want to travel to wonderful places such as Canning Town , Plaistow and Upton Park But it would give Canning Town and Canary Wharf a bus link? People always say why not just extend the 5 there which goes the small way up and is longer going all the way to Romford! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 20:17:56 GMT
I do wonder how many Canary Wharf folk would want to travel to wonderful places such as Canning Town , Plaistow and Upton Park But it would give Canning Town and Canary Wharf a bus link? People always say why not just extend the 5 there which goes the small way up and is longer going all the way to Romford! I do wonder if the 277 would be a better link if that was extended from Leamouth to Canning Town Station. |
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Post by thesquirrels on Apr 8, 2014 20:22:53 GMT
I do wonder how many Canary Wharf folk would want to travel to wonderful places such as Canning Town , Plaistow and Upton Park But it would give Canning Town and Canary Wharf a bus link? People always say why not just extend the 5 there which goes the small way up and is longer going all the way to Romford! Maybe not the suits in finance, but plenty of ancillary jobs need people who could be living in the ungentrified depths of Newham. |
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Post by Mokujin on Apr 8, 2014 22:16:31 GMT
Is Whipps Cross Hospital suitable for double deckers because I don't think it is unless I may be wrong. I personally think it should be extended to Canary Wharf via East India Dock Crossing, Aspen Way Roundabout and Billingsgate Market which this would provide a bus link between Canary Wharf and Canning Town. With the Wood Wharf development on the way another bus route here will be needed so maybe in the future the 330 will come to Canary Wharf vis Wood Wharf. Where is Wood Wharf? |
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