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Post by WSD3 on Nov 20, 2019 16:49:35 GMT
Not to sure if this has been mentioned before but the 7 December is busy within the bus network, Please help me fill in gaps. Route 52: 24(PVR)- 18(New PVR) -6 buses Route 140 withdrawn between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow Airport 30 PVR- TBC (New PVR) - (buses) Route X140 new route with Limited stop route between Harrow and Heathrow Airport (PVR 10) +10 buses route 218 - North Acton Station to Hammersmith Bus Station (PVR 11) + 11 buses. Route 224 Withdrawn between Alperton Sainsbury's and Wembley Stadium 8(PVR)- 7(New PVR) -1 buses Route 266 - Withdrawn between Acton High Street and Hammersmith. 27(PVR)- 23(New PVR) -4 buses New route 278 - Ruislip to Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station. (PVR 10) + 10 buses. New route 306 - Acton Vale to Sands End Sainsbury's (PVR 9) + 9 buses. Route 391 - Withdrawn between Hammersmith and Sands End Sainsbury's 16(PVR)- 11(New PVR) -5 buses. Route 440 - Extended to Wembley Eastern Lands & rerouted between Acton and North Acton. 10(PVR)- 11(New PVR) +1 buses. New route 718 - Morden Station - Rose Hill Roundabout. (PVR 1) + 1 buses. New route N140 - Harrow Weald - Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station (PVR 4) + 4 buses. New route N266 - Brent Cross - Hammersmith. (PVR 5) + 5 buses. Please don't hesitate if there is any mistakes. Will N266 be operated by London United? yes it will
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Post by busaholic on Nov 20, 2019 17:42:24 GMT
Not to sure if this has been mentioned before but the 7 December is busy within the bus network, Please help me fill in gaps. Route 52: 24(PVR)- 18(New PVR) -6 buses Route 140 withdrawn between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow Airport 30 PVR- TBC (New PVR) - (buses) Route X140 new route with Limited stop route between Harrow and Heathrow Airport (PVR 10) +10 buses route 218 - North Acton Station to Hammersmith Bus Station (PVR 11) + 11 buses. Route 224 Withdrawn between Alperton Sainsbury's and Wembley Stadium 8(PVR)- 7(New PVR) -1 buses Route 266 - Withdrawn between Acton High Street and Hammersmith. 27(PVR)- 23(New PVR) -4 buses New route 278 - Ruislip to Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station. (PVR 10) + 10 buses. New route 306 - Acton Vale to Sands End Sainsbury's (PVR 9) + 9 buses. Route 391 - Withdrawn between Hammersmith and Sands End Sainsbury's 16(PVR)- 11(New PVR) -5 buses. Route 440 - Extended to Wembley Eastern Lands & rerouted between Acton and North Acton. 10(PVR)- 11(New PVR) +1 buses. New route 718 - Morden Station - Rose Hill Roundabout. (PVR 1) + 1 buses. New route N140 - Harrow Weald - Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station (PVR 4) + 4 buses. New route N266 - Brent Cross - Hammersmith. (PVR 5) + 5 buses. Please don't hesitate if there is any mistakes. Not a mistake as such, but the N140 and N266 are renumberings of present night routes 140 and 266 respectively, which are both currently allocated 4 buses, so there's really only + 1 bus overall there.
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Post by rj131 on Nov 20, 2019 18:00:44 GMT
Its a joke leaving the 366 to cope! If anything I'd say pull the 366 back to Sainsbury's and have the 262 continue as it. I don't think cutting the 366 back would be the best idea, of all three routes there it tends to be the busiest. That however is no justification for removing the 262 when you consider how busy the 366 already is and that it's a Single Decker route. The only way I would probably relax my stance on this is if the 366 is decked however we already know well that it can't be. Is the 366 restricted by a low bridge of some sort I presume?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 20, 2019 18:10:34 GMT
I don't think cutting the 366 back would be the best idea, of all three routes there it tends to be the busiest. That however is no justification for removing the 262 when you consider how busy the 366 already is and that it's a Single Decker route. The only way I would probably relax my stance on this is if the 366 is decked however we already know well that it can't be. Is the 366 restricted by a low bridge of some sort I presume? There's some debate as to what actually restricts it, there's a billboard that overhangs Jenkins Lane which could pose an issue or it might be the Met Police base. However reading through some network development papers there was actually a proposal to deck the 325, which suggests that there might not be a restriction on Jenkins Lane at all. If Jenkins Lane is free then deckers will certainly not get through the residents of Sunnyside Road if it does then parked cars will probably stop it. The 366 can get very tight at times around there in terms of road width and maybe the extra width of a DD could just about prevent it negotiating the roads. It's a bit ridiculous now as the 366 is already quite frequent, you often get ridiculous amounts of buses parked at Beckton Bus Station. Maybe it should actually be split into two overlapping routes - it pretty much behaves as such already. One flow from Barking to Beckton and another flow from Barking to Redbridge. Maybe have one of the routes going from Ilford to Beckton via Ilford Lane and have it decked while the other one runs from Barking to Redbridge as single deck.
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Post by evergreenadam on Nov 20, 2019 18:42:50 GMT
Not to sure if this has been mentioned before but the 7 December is busy within the bus network, Please help me fill in gaps. Route 52: 24(PVR)- 18(New PVR) -6 buses Route 140 withdrawn between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow Airport 30 PVR- TBC (New PVR) - (buses) Route X140 new route with Limited stop route between Harrow and Heathrow Airport (PVR 10) +10 buses route 218 - North Acton Station to Hammersmith Bus Station (PVR 11) + 11 buses. Route 224 Withdrawn between Alperton Sainsbury's and Wembley Stadium 8(PVR)- 7(New PVR) -1 buses Route 266 - Withdrawn between Acton High Street and Hammersmith. 27(PVR)- 23(New PVR) -4 buses New route 278 - Ruislip to Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station. (PVR 10) + 10 buses. New route 306 - Acton Vale to Sands End Sainsbury's (PVR 9) + 9 buses. Route 391 - Withdrawn between Hammersmith and Sands End Sainsbury's 16(PVR)- 11(New PVR) -5 buses. Route 440 - Extended to Wembley Eastern Lands & rerouted between Acton and North Acton. 10(PVR)- 11(New PVR) +1 buses. New route 718 - Morden Station - Rose Hill Roundabout. (PVR 1) + 1 buses. New route N140 - Harrow Weald - Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station (PVR 4) + 4 buses. New route N266 - Brent Cross - Hammersmith. (PVR 5) + 5 buses. Please don't hesitate if there is any mistakes. 391 PVR seems high for remaining Hammersmith to Richmond with reduced frequency to only x15 mins.
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Post by george on Nov 20, 2019 20:30:29 GMT
Not to sure if this has been mentioned before but the 7 December is busy within the bus network, Please help me fill in gaps. Route 52: 24(PVR)- 18(New PVR) -6 buses Route 140 withdrawn between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow Airport 30 PVR- TBC (New PVR) - (buses) Route X140 new route with Limited stop route between Harrow and Heathrow Airport (PVR 10) +10 buses route 218 - North Acton Station to Hammersmith Bus Station (PVR 11) + 11 buses. Route 224 Withdrawn between Alperton Sainsbury's and Wembley Stadium 8(PVR)- 7(New PVR) -1 buses Route 266 - Withdrawn between Acton High Street and Hammersmith. 27(PVR)- 23(New PVR) -4 buses New route 278 - Ruislip to Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station. (PVR 10) + 10 buses. New route 306 - Acton Vale to Sands End Sainsbury's (PVR 9) + 9 buses. Route 391 - Withdrawn between Hammersmith and Sands End Sainsbury's 16(PVR)- 11(New PVR) -5 buses. Route 440 - Extended to Wembley Eastern Lands & rerouted between Acton and North Acton. 10(PVR)- 11(New PVR) +1 buses. New route 718 - Morden Station - Rose Hill Roundabout. (PVR 1) + 1 buses. New route N140 - Harrow Weald - Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station (PVR 4) + 4 buses. New route N266 - Brent Cross - Hammersmith. (PVR 5) + 5 buses. Please don't hesitate if there is any mistakes. 391 PVR seems high for remaining Hammersmith to Richmond with reduced frequency to only x15 mins. 391 is going to struggle.
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Post by 6HP502C on Nov 20, 2019 20:44:48 GMT
Still nothing about 120 being improved or helped. I give up Have you written to TfL directly?
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Post by rif153 on Nov 20, 2019 21:27:53 GMT
Not to sure if this has been mentioned before but the 7 December is busy within the bus network, Please help me fill in gaps. Route 52: 24(PVR)- 18(New PVR) -6 buses Route 140 withdrawn between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow Airport 30 PVR- TBC (New PVR) - (buses) Route X140 new route with Limited stop route between Harrow and Heathrow Airport (PVR 10) +10 buses route 218 - North Acton Station to Hammersmith Bus Station (PVR 11) + 11 buses. Route 224 Withdrawn between Alperton Sainsbury's and Wembley Stadium 8(PVR)- 7(New PVR) -1 buses Route 266 - Withdrawn between Acton High Street and Hammersmith. 27(PVR)- 23(New PVR) -4 buses New route 278 - Ruislip to Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station. (PVR 10) + 10 buses. New route 306 - Acton Vale to Sands End Sainsbury's (PVR 9) + 9 buses. Route 391 - Withdrawn between Hammersmith and Sands End Sainsbury's 16(PVR)- 11(New PVR) -5 buses. Route 440 - Extended to Wembley Eastern Lands & rerouted between Acton and North Acton. 10(PVR)- 11(New PVR) +1 buses. New route 718 - Morden Station - Rose Hill Roundabout. (PVR 1) + 1 buses. New route N140 - Harrow Weald - Heathrow Airport Central Bus Station (PVR 4) + 4 buses. New route N266 - Brent Cross - Hammersmith. (PVR 5) + 5 buses. Please don't hesitate if there is any mistakes. 391 PVR seems high for remaining Hammersmith to Richmond with reduced frequency to only x15 mins. I think others had suggested that the 391's PVR wil actually be a -8 change but this may just have been speculation
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Post by WSD3 on Nov 20, 2019 21:32:00 GMT
391 PVR seems high for remaining Hammersmith to Richmond with reduced frequency to only x15 mins. I think others had suggested that the 391's PVR wil actually be a -8 change but this may just have been speculation More info here: Loses about 40% of its length (Hammersmith-Sands End), replaced by new double deck 306 Frequency changes from every 12 mins to every 20 mins (5 per hour to 3 per hour) Current PVR 16 x (1-40%) x 3/5 = 6 Current allocation 16 new + 2 old DLE, so probably releasing 11 DLEs
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Post by busman on Nov 20, 2019 21:34:05 GMT
CSOPP meeting papers per pack page 119 (numbered page 101) Bus service proposals • Route 386 and 161 – rerouting in Woolwich town centre • Route N109 – extension to Marble Arch • Route 92 – rerouting to serve new housing development • Route W10 – extension to North Middlesex Hospital • Route W19 – rerouting and extension in Walthamstow • Routes 101, 241, 262, 325 and 376 – changes in Royal Docks, Newham According to page 118 there was a consultation on the extension of the 460 to Epsom Hospital 🤭
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 20, 2019 22:00:10 GMT
Must have meant the 470 thou could be the 406. Stand space would be an issue thou for the 406 and 470 at the hospital.
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Post by kmkcheng on Nov 20, 2019 23:14:12 GMT
According to page 118 there was a consultation on the extension of the 460 to Epsom Hospital 🤭 North Finchley to Epsom. I wonder how long that journey will take
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Post by ctrh136 on Nov 20, 2019 23:30:55 GMT
CSOPP meeting papers per pack page 119 (numbered page 101) Bus service proposals • Route 386 and 161 – rerouting in Woolwich town centre • Route N109 – extension to Marble Arch • Route 92 – rerouting to serve new housing development • Route W10 – extension to North Middlesex Hospital • Route W19 – rerouting and extension in Walthamstow • Routes 101, 241, 262, 325 and 376 – changes in Royal Docks, Newham According to page 118 there was a consultation on the extension of the 460 to Epsom Hospital 🤭 I guess it meant the 470 though of course there is a 460 route in Epsom!
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Post by 6HP502C on Nov 21, 2019 1:00:26 GMT
I think others had suggested that the 391's PVR wil actually be a -8 change but this may just have been speculation More info here: Loses about 40% of its length (Hammersmith-Sands End), replaced by new double deck 306 Frequency changes from every 12 mins to every 20 mins (5 per hour to 3 per hour) Current PVR 16 x (1-40%) x 3/5 = 6 Current allocation 16 new + 2 old DLE, so probably releasing 11 DLEs The 391 will only be every 20 minutes in the evenings. Daytime frequency to be every 15 minutes.
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Post by COBO on Nov 21, 2019 1:09:36 GMT
CSOPP meeting papers per pack page 119 (numbered page 101) Bus service proposals • Route 92 – rerouting to serve new housing development I wonder when the consultation for the rerouting of the 92 going to be released? And will there be a replacement for the lost section.
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