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Post by sam1212 on Jun 3, 2015 18:19:06 GMT
So Arriva have just lost another route yet again? yeh they have! they really arnt doing well at the moment lool
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Post by YY13VKP on Jun 3, 2015 18:21:21 GMT
Its going ahead as planned , as of 15 th july no more T routes sadly , bus drivers at south croydon where the t31 is have been told by tfl. Sad to hear TC are losing a route. However ithink the remaining PDL's will get cascaded, and ENL1-9 ihope should stay at TC for the 166 and 312 incase the new EMC's have issues
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Post by sam1212 on Jun 3, 2015 18:24:01 GMT
Its going ahead as planned , as of 15 th july no more T routes sadly , bus drivers at south croydon where the t31 is have been told by tfl. Sad to hear TC are losing a route. However ithink the remaining PDL's will get cascaded, and ENL1-9 ihope should stay at TC for the 166 and 312 incase the new EMC's have issues Speaking of EMC's, EMC1 has been taken out of service temporarily. It was parked at TC with an unfit sign yeh it is very sad to hear, i think bc had better re-blind the t33 s fleet quick to 433 as this hasent been done yet
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 3, 2015 19:18:27 GMT
Maybe they could win the 359.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 3, 2015 19:42:23 GMT
Maybe they could win the 359. Well exactly. To be strictly accurate Arriva have not lost anything - "losing" in the context of tenders rather suggests a failure. Are we also donning "sack cloth and ashes" and "wailing in the wilderness" about Go Ahead London "losing" the T32? It is TfL's decision to change the route structure which may affect the volume of work held by the respective operators in South London. This risk exists for all operators for any of the routes they run for TfL. We saw a similar risk emerge for RATP with route 13. I understand the excitement / sense of doom / anticipation / impatience people have about the New Addington changes but I wish we could wait until something official is said rather than relaying garage gossip. Until we see the tender results for New Addington we will not know exactly what Arriva or anyone else has gained or lost.
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Post by sam1212 on Jun 3, 2015 19:49:55 GMT
tfl told the garage 3 weeks ago the dates etc, they have also asked drivers to transfer to differant garages
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jun 3, 2015 20:02:22 GMT
I'll wait to the consultation results are released to public before I give my 2 pence on it. I liked the plan in it's initial stage. I hope route 353 gets a PVR increase and frequency increase.
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Post by sam1212 on Jun 3, 2015 20:07:28 GMT
to be honest tfl are known to just ignore the public and just persue whith the plans
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Post by croydonguy on Jun 3, 2015 20:11:20 GMT
Quoted from a local councillor "The local councillors have a meeting with council officers and TfL tomorrow as part of the process (we have been assured that no final decisions have been made)" Which would probably explain why us residents haven't had any updates about the changes, however, it does look highly likely these changes will happen but until then, nothing has been confirmed
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Post by sam1212 on Jun 3, 2015 20:54:52 GMT
well the 'official result' is due sometime this month however the actual bus drivers who actually drive the T31 have told me and residents of addington the outcome and the official date the buses are changing, considering they drive the route i would think they are a pretty good voice to go by, i mean all TFL are doing are giving Councillors and residents lip service and the runaround just to shut them up and brush it under the carpet
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Post by snoggle on Jun 3, 2015 21:15:19 GMT
well the 'official result' is due sometime this month however the actual bus drivers who actually drive the T31 have told me and residents of addington the outcome and the official date the buses are changing, considering they drive the route i would think they are a pretty good voice to go by, i mean all TFL are doing are giving Councillors and residents lip service and the runaround just to shut them up and brush it under the carpet Because bus drivers are, of course, in charge of TfL's route planning and the approval process and the budgets. I know you want to believe in some sort of mass conspiracy about these changes but if it was all decided why have TfL taken such a long time to review the 800 responses? Do you honestly believe that TfL officials would openly lie to local councillors by saying "nothing has been finalised" when in reality it has? Do you actually know how TfL's governance processes work? It would be very unwise for a lie to be told because they have a habit of unravelling and it would seriously damage TfL's reputation. Given Croydon is represented by a Tory Assembly Member they would be on the phone to Boris within minutes if fibs were being told. Believe me - the last thing you want is Sir Peter Hendy's office on the warpath because the politicians are upset. TfL may very well have a *preferred* position which they believe they can fund and which will be beneficial but they are required to take into account stakeholder input. My hunch is that there will be some tweaks to deal with the loudest complaints / concerns in New Addington itself. I doubt there will be any scrapping of the fundamental aspects of the scheme design (things like the 353 to Forestdale or the 359 proposal). I still think that the 359 may encounter opposition "on the ground" even though I expect TfL will be very keen to implement it. I've no idea how vocal people are on the Heathfield Vale loop working. TfL have said they will update people towards the end of the month.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 4, 2015 0:09:17 GMT
Sad to hear TC are losing a route. However ithink the remaining PDL's will get cascaded, and ENL1-9 ihope should stay at TC for the 166 and 312 incase the new EMC's have issues Speaking of EMC's, EMC1 has been taken out of service temporarily. It was parked at TC with an unfit sign yeh it is very sad to hear, i think bc had better re-blind the t33 s fleet quick to 433 as this hasent been done yet At least one BC bus has blinds that already contain the 433 according to a sighting posted on this forum.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 4, 2015 0:14:06 GMT
Its going ahead as planned , as of 15 th july no more T routes sadly , bus drivers at south croydon where the t31 is have been told by tfl. Sad to hear TC are losing a route. However ithink the remaining PDL's will get cascaded, and ENL1-9 ihope should stay at TC for the 166 and 312 incase the new EMC's have issues I suspect the T31's ENL's will head to the 255 in any case - you wouldn't keep 9 buses sitting there doing nothing even if the EMC's had issues and the 166 has enough ENL's for itself. Besides, any issues would already have been noted during the operation of EMC1 & 2 so I'm sure if problems have cropped up, they would be eradicated on the next EMC's. The PDL's will probably be cascaded to the provinces.
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Post by routew15 on Jun 4, 2015 11:14:15 GMT
to be honest tfl are known to just ignore the public and just persue whith the plans Im going to share some statistics that I have collated from Consultation results. Between present day and October 2013: 21 out of 30 bus consultation have been majority supported by the public. 6 out of 30 bus consultations have been majority opposed by the public but overruled (or "ignored") by TfL. 1 of 30 were majority opposed by the public and TfL didn't go ahead with there original plan instead made modifications to the route timing. 1 of 30 proposals were withdrawn after further TfL Assessments. 1 of 30 has been intervened/ suspended by a senior official. Generally speaking the consultation process is generally fair. However there have been instants were you could say they got it wrong (9 Pall Mall diversion/ W11-W15 (which didn't even receive a consultation)/ 159 curtailment, 123 (in association with Tottenham Gyratory changes). I do believe that TfL should pay more attention to opposition and take into account their concerns. If you look at results back in 2011 turnout was low, rarely going into double digits, but these days TfL is lucky to get responses that aren't in their hundreds. This says a lot about how people feel on bus route changes. Note: ( Majority being 50% ≥)
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Post by sam1212 on Jun 4, 2015 18:36:41 GMT
for the people who were saying this was bus garage gossip and i was not correct!! see for yourselves!! and as we can see tfl have been telling porkies to the residents by saying nothing has been confirmed
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