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Post by sid on Jun 4, 2015 19:07:02 GMT
well the 'official result' is due sometime this month however the actual bus drivers who actually drive the T31 have told me and residents of addington the outcome and the official date the buses are changing, considering they drive the route i would think they are a pretty good voice to go by, i mean all TFL are doing are giving Councillors and residents lip service and the runaround just to shut them up and brush it under the carpet Because bus drivers are, of course, in charge of TfL's route planning and the approval process and the budgets. I know you want to believe in some sort of mass conspiracy about these changes but if it was all decided why have TfL taken such a long time to review the 800 responses? Do you honestly believe that TfL officials would openly lie to local councillors by saying "nothing has been finalised" when in reality it has? Do you actually know how TfL's governance processes work? It would be very unwise for a lie to be told because they have a habit of unravelling and it would seriously damage TfL's reputation. Given Croydon is represented by a Tory Assembly Member they would be on the phone to Boris within minutes if fibs were being told. Believe me - the last thing you want is Sir Peter Hendy's office on the warpath because the politicians are upset. TfL may very well have a *preferred* position which they believe they can fund and which will be beneficial but they are required to take into account stakeholder input. My hunch is that there will be some tweaks to deal with the loudest complaints / concerns in New Addington itself. I doubt there will be any scrapping of the fundamental aspects of the scheme design (things like the 353 to Forestdale or the 359 proposal). I still think that the 359 may encounter opposition "on the ground" even though I expect TfL will be very keen to implement it. I've no idea how vocal people are on the Heathfield Vale loop working. TfL have said they will update people towards the end of the month. Sam was spot on, see photo, yikes!!
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 4, 2015 21:16:48 GMT
Sometimes tfl do have to over ride things. In all fairness nobody is going to support having their bus service reduced (why would they) but when you are running high frequency services carrying very few passengers (we have all seen the empty T32s) whilst running high freq DD service like the 64 into New Addington then serving very little of it. the 2 routes need to merge so the 64 can serve more of the area and the high freq connection services (the T routes) can be withdrawn.
Often a consultation can generate where the concerns lie, let's say the freq to Forestdale on the 353 but tfl may well come back with an improved 353 freq to addess that. For tfl to decide against all the plans and carry on with all the current routes costing money that unfortunately needs to be saved now.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 5, 2015 1:22:55 GMT
Not sure why people are having a pop at 'snoggle' because he decided to be cautious.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 17:50:24 GMT
I am sure 90% of people on this forum live in s london . Come on north and west londoners say something
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Post by vjaska on Jun 5, 2015 18:06:41 GMT
I am sure 90% of people on this forum live in s london . Come on north and west londoners say something Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? How many times do you need to be told - you don't need to wait for others to start a topic. The other thing - if you read the topic title, it has the words 'New Addington' in. Last time I looked, New Addington is in South London hence why mainly people from South London are commenting.
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Post by COBO on Jun 5, 2015 18:22:23 GMT
I am sure 90% of people on this forum live in s london . Come on north and west londoners say something If you want to start a discussion about West and North London then why don't you start one. Instead of relying on other people and don't go hijackeing people's threads.
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Post by Green Kitten on Jun 5, 2015 18:32:27 GMT
I am sure 90% of people on this forum live in s london . Come on north and west londoners say something I like cheese.
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Post by sid on Jun 5, 2015 20:14:42 GMT
I am sure 90% of people on this forum live in s london . Come on north and west londoners say something 'New Addington proposed changes'............the clue is in the title!! Why don't you start a thread about north and west London? I suspect you are just a troll!!
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 5, 2015 22:59:22 GMT
I am sure 90% of people on this forum live in s london . Come on north and west londoners say something How did you work out 90%? Show Your Workings Out Please. Then you may be Sure. There are certainly a proportion of members who are from other parts of London and even out of London. I personally think that South London Buses are more interesting than other areas. Why I dont know, bur its just like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 12:33:14 GMT
I am sure 90% of people on this forum live in s london . Come on north and west londoners say something Not trying to be rude or a bully or anything a like but if you know nothing then stay away from a topic or not sure at least ask I live in South London and have pretty much stayed here my whole life so I don't really try to branch into new or different routes in other parts of London that I'm not sure of and if so make a thread about North London thats not duplicating.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 10, 2015 18:21:29 GMT
I was wondering with the 353 if it could reconvert to SD with an increase freq to say every 10-12 mins in order to maintain a higher freq to Forestdale but like with the 350 could have 1 DD extra working from say Addington village to Orpington only?
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 10, 2015 18:43:41 GMT
I was wondering with the 353 if it could reconvert to SD with an increase freq to say every 10-12 mins in order to maintain a higher freq to Forestdale but like with the 350 could have 1 DD extra working from say Addington village to Orpington only? No point in that, just leave it decker at all times running at the current frequency, at certain times of the day the route is very busy hence why it was double decked. No point in running 1 Extra double decker.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 10, 2015 18:49:37 GMT
From a capacity point of view the 353 every 15 mins is more than sufficient to Forestdale. Observations today showed very light loadings wuth 1 bus I saw had 1 alighting passenger at a stop shared with the T33 so it would have terminated at Forestdale empty.
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 10, 2015 19:05:21 GMT
From a capacity point of view the 353 every 15 mins is more than sufficient to Forestdale. Observations today showed very light loadings wuth 1 bus I saw had 1 alighting passenger at a stop shared with the T33 so it would have terminated at Forestdale empty. That is the 353, you need to observe the route around 2-4 to see it busy. This is why every 15 Mins for the 353 is fine How do you know that? It has not even been extended to Forestdale yet and your already judging that it would have run there empty
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 10, 2015 19:47:09 GMT
No I meant the T31 I saw heading there with the sole passenger alighting on court wood lane would terminate there empty
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