|
Post by smoothcriminal on Jan 10, 2015 17:07:45 GMT
So Thameside are not striking either by the looks of it as nothing is mentioned about them in tfl literature and no scrolling displays on a 174 I just saw.
|
|
|
Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 10, 2015 17:14:34 GMT
So Thameside are not striking either by the looks of it as nothing is mentioned about them in tfl literature and no scrolling displays on a 174 I just saw. I thought Thameside were absorbed into the East London division, and I am pretty sure I saw the scrolling message on the 287 yesterday
|
|
|
Post by smoothcriminal on Jan 10, 2015 19:10:56 GMT
So Thameside are not striking either by the looks of it as nothing is mentioned about them in tfl literature and no scrolling displays on a 174 I just saw. I thought Thameside were absorbed into the East London division, and I am pretty sure I saw the scrolling message on the 287 yesterday Still separate but haven't seen an rm bus for a while to see the legals.
|
|
|
Post by stubag on Jan 10, 2015 20:41:14 GMT
E10s not striking but we have the scrolling message
|
|
|
Post by LX09FBJ on Jan 10, 2015 21:32:16 GMT
Very mixed bag from my obs today AF- WVL165 on 22 started off by just showing the time, before suddenly switching to the scrolling message. WVL500 on 85 just showing the message at the moment BX: VWL11 on 486 was showing just scrolling message. HT: No scrolling message on VW1281 on 4 LI: VN37855 on 58 mostly showing the time but would scroll once every now and then, then show the time again NX: DWL on 108 was scrolling message PD: both 17861 on 177 and 15051 on 51 was scrolling message and time at mixed intervals. PM: Would intermittently show the time, then the scrolling message (E36) though E28 didn't have the message at all. SW: E161 was showing the message, with no time but LT67 was just time when I travelled on it, though it was only two stops. NS: 17854 on 86 was scrolling message. T: SLN 15150 on 56 was just showing scrolling message. TF: 8547 was scrolling message this afternoon on R68.
|
|
|
Post by Nathan on Jan 11, 2015 11:49:57 GMT
Every single bus I've been on this week has had the scrolling message showing constantly with no random intervals. This includes routes 57, 59, 68, 131, 265, 281, 406 and K2.
|
|
|
Post by sw11simon on Jan 11, 2015 13:50:30 GMT
I've skimmed through this thread and I have a few opinions on this strike. Firstly, it needs to be long haul. The main movable cost in competitive tendering is staff so the demand in question reflects a demand to completely overhaul the tender system. That will take more than a one day strike. Leading on from that, how may drivers on a good rate are going to be willing to continue supporting a campaign and lose money for something that will give them (personally) no long term gain. As far as the operators failing to meet around a table and discuss pay rates, I believe this may be a breach of the competition act. Collusion is prohibited and can result in large fines. And my final point... which union represented bus drivers during privatisation and the introduction of the tender system? T&GWU, now part of Unite. You may find a number of reps around that time with rather large houses bought with profitable share options taken. Just saying... Bus driving is underpaid for a lot of drivers in London and all over the country. I do not think this campaign will resolve it, although I'd gladly be proven wrong.
|
|
|
Post by rambo on Jan 11, 2015 17:11:27 GMT
I've skimmed through this thread and I have a few opinions on this strike. Firstly, it needs to be long haul. The main movable cost in competitive tendering is staff so the demand in question reflects a demand to completely overhaul the tender system. That will take more than a one day strike. Leading on from that, how may drivers on a good rate are going to be willing to continue supporting a campaign and lose money for something that will give them (personally) no long term gain. As far as the operators failing to meet around a table and discuss pay rates, I believe this may be a breach of the competition act. Collusion is prohibited and can result in large fines. And my final point... which union represented bus drivers during privatisation and the introduction of the tender system? T&GWU, now part of Unite. You may find a number of reps around that time with rather large houses bought with profitable share options taken. Just saying... Bus driving is underpaid for a lot of drivers in London and all over the country. I do not think this campaign will resolve it, although I'd gladly be proven wrong. Good post. I would like to see bus drivers join the RMT.
|
|
|
Post by YY13VKP on Jan 11, 2015 17:17:41 GMT
Every single bus I've been on this week has had the scrolling message showing constantly with no random intervals. This includes routes 57, 59, 68, 131, 265, 281, 406 and K2. This happens on all TC buses too
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 18:51:39 GMT
My take on this is... To be able to exercise a right to strike is essential. There is clear disparity in pay for doing the same job. The job itself must be incredibly stressful , more so than prior to privitisation. Stuck with the tendering system which I feel creates much of this stress, with all the targets etc , the companies only real hope is the drivers delivering their contracted commitments. If that were to change , there could be trouble ahead.
In short, I support the strike because of the disparity , but note there is largely naff all anyone can do to change this given the current financial climate and because of how TfL works.
|
|
|
Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 12, 2015 12:03:55 GMT
I've skimmed through this thread and I have a few opinions on this strike. Firstly, it needs to be long haul. The main movable cost in competitive tendering is staff so the demand in question reflects a demand to completely overhaul the tender system. That will take more than a one day strike. Leading on from that, how may drivers on a good rate are going to be willing to continue supporting a campaign and lose money for something that will give them (personally) no long term gain. As far as the operators failing to meet around a table and discuss pay rates, I believe this may be a breach of the competition act. Collusion is prohibited and can result in large fines. And my final point... which union represented bus drivers during privatisation and the introduction of the tender system? T&GWU, now part of Unite. You may find a number of reps around that time with rather large houses bought with profitable share options taken. Just saying... Bus driving is underpaid for a lot of drivers in London and all over the country. I do not think this campaign will resolve it, although I'd gladly be proven wrong. The Unite union say they do not expect higher paid drivers to drop their pay to meet a lower or average standard. They are doing this to make lower paid drivers reach up to their standard.
|
|
|
Post by daveb0789 on Jan 12, 2015 15:47:15 GMT
I agree with the strike. There should be two rates of pay. One for non PCV licence holders and another for experienced PCV drivers and thats it. Get rid of this wait 5 years before you get on top rate nonsense.
Top rates seem to vary between £14-16 dependant on company. Do these need sorting out or are drivers happy with these?
|
|
|
Post by 6HP502C on Jan 12, 2015 16:03:50 GMT
Abellio might be £11.60, but they deduct 40 minutes for an unpaid break. On an 8 hour shift, that equates to around £1 an hour less from start to finish. There's also no minimum day's pay, so if you get a shift that only lasts for 4 hours, that's all you get paid for the day. T&Cs are also important - how many other operators have been getting rid of theirs?
|
|
|
Post by ServerKing on Jan 12, 2015 16:58:43 GMT
Abellio might be £11.60, but they deduct 40 minutes for an unpaid break. On an 8 hour shift, that equates to around £1 an hour less from start to finish. There's also no minimum day's pay, so if you get a shift that only lasts for 4 hours, that's all you get paid for the day. T&Cs are also important - how many other operators have been getting rid of theirs? All companies have a way of screwing over their staff, so the grass isn't always greener for those planning to jump ship to another operator... The only way Unite would see their demand met would be if TfL ran all the buses, but then, they'd just b!tch about something else
|
|
|
Post by 6HP502C on Jan 12, 2015 17:08:19 GMT
Abellio might be £11.60, but they deduct 40 minutes for an unpaid break. On an 8 hour shift, that equates to around £1 an hour less from start to finish. There's also no minimum day's pay, so if you get a shift that only lasts for 4 hours, that's all you get paid for the day. T&Cs are also important - how many other operators have been getting rid of theirs? All companies have a way of screwing over their staff, so the grass isn't always greener for those planning to jump ship to another operator... The only way Unite would see their demand met would be if TfL ran all the buses, but then, they'd just b!tch about something else Yes - a lot of drivers would be in trouble! The active workforce has many people in it who have either been dismissed from another London operator, or resigned prior to a disciplinary likely to lead to dismissal. With only one company running all the buses, drivers wouldn't be able to get a second, third and so on chance at London bus driving work. Few PCV roles in London pay as much as the main operators and wouldn't have the benefit of free travel for the spouse and children.
|
|