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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 18:26:34 GMT
www.itv.com/news/london/2015-01-20/1-000-night-buses-face-the-axe-to-pay-for-londons-24-hour-tubes/What does everyone think of this? I guess it was inevitable. Can anyone think of any routes that will suffer as a result? My initial thoughts are the N155, N9, N5, N2. I'm sure there are loads more. Although there will be consultations as stated in the article before decisions are made and they plan to introduce weekend night suburban routes. Is there any specific suburban routes people would like to see introduced?
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 20, 2015 18:36:41 GMT
www.itv.com/news/london/2015-01-20/1-000-night-buses-face-the-axe-to-pay-for-londons-24-hour-tubes/What does everyone think of this? I guess it was inevitable. Can anyone think of any routes that will suffer as a result? My initial thoughts are the N155, N9, N5, N2. I'm sure there are loads more. Although there will be consultations as stated in the article before decisions are made and they plan to introduce weekend night suburban routes. Is there any specific suburban routes people would like to see introduced? I doubt many Night Routes in South East London will be withdrawn as there is very few tube stations. You mentioned the N2 I don't think so as this goes to Crystal Palace where there is no tube. I don't think Night routes need to be withdrawn as taking buses may be easier for some and some tube stations are not exactly in Walking Distance to peoples homes. If anything the N21, N47, N89 & N136 and possibly some other route will probably end up getting frequency increases.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 20, 2015 18:40:20 GMT
www.itv.com/news/london/2015-01-20/1-000-night-buses-face-the-axe-to-pay-for-londons-24-hour-tubes/What does everyone think of this? I guess it was inevitable. Can anyone think of any routes that will suffer as a result? My initial thoughts are the N155, N9, N5, N2. I'm sure there are loads more. Although there will be consultations as stated in the article before decisions are made and they plan to introduce weekend night suburban routes. Is there any specific suburban routes people would like to see introduced? The N2 won't be withdrawn as it only parallels the Victoria Line between Brixton & Victoria.
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Post by Connor on Jan 20, 2015 18:42:34 GMT
N11, N16, N20, N29 possibly (329 converted to 24 hour), N38, N41, N55, N73, N91, N97, N113, N205, N279 (279 converted to 24 hour). Also 24 hour routes like the 139 may loose it's night services. Just my thoughts.
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Post by westhamgeezer on Jan 20, 2015 18:44:51 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Jan 20, 2015 18:51:10 GMT
This story apparently started with the TSSA for some reason. It struck me as rather odd for them to be campaigning about buses as they have negligible front line representation amongst bus drivers or engineers. I think the real story is about the related claims about the Night Tube not paying its way for 17 years. TfL have, of course, used the introduction of the Night Tube to blind people to the related staffing and ticket office changes which do concern the TSSA as their members are directly affected by that. I wonder if a disgruntled TSSA employee in Surface Transport has spilt the beans to the TSSA based on whatever work has been done to date?
I am sure that there will be parts of the night bus network that will see possibly considerable frequency reductions at weekends. Much of that will be in north, north east and some parts of South London. However much of the network will not see reductions and the thing to watch for is what happens to suburban services. I expect somewhere like North Greenwich to gain night routes for example as it is such a popular interchange and has the O2 as well. Being parochial I expect the N73 frequency to be much reduced to Walthamstow at weekends but I am less clear that the N26 and N38 will see much reduction given they serve areas away from the Tube and other districts with a night life of their own. If we got a Night Overground service then yes other routes would come into the picture in North and East London. I am more interested to see if / how TfL provide any weekend suburban infill routes and then to see how popular they are at weekends. We can't be very far off the consultation date given bus changes may kick in in the Autumn and it will take some time for TfL to work through what I suspect will be a large response.
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 20, 2015 18:53:56 GMT
N11, N16, N20, N29 possibly (329 converted to 24 hour), N38, N41, N55, N73, N91, N97, N113, N205, N279 (279 converted to 24 hour). Also 24 hour routes like the 139 may loose it's night services. Just my thoughts. I think the N205 will remain you know because of the Stratford City & East Village Section
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Post by danorak on Jan 20, 2015 19:26:34 GMT
Sounds like scaremongering to me. I'd imagine you might see some thinning of frequencies on certain routes but I'd be surprised if anything disappeared completely.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Jan 20, 2015 19:51:13 GMT
Given that the Night Tube will be for weekends only, I reckon that the 'cuts' will actually end up being frequency reductions, e.g. N9 running every 15 minutes at Friday/Saturday night instead 10/20 Hounslow/Heathrow etc. In my view, the Night Tube is mostly to ease the pressure off Night Buses during their busiest times. I also suspect that many people will still take the bus, even though a Night Tube is there, it's significantly cheaper (Zone 1-6 is £3.10 on the tube, as opposed to £1.50 on the bus) SW London is actually very good for night buses (Kingston has seven compared to Romford only has three and Orpington only has the N47) A few ideas I have: I think the N10 should be restored, or a new N391 via 391 to Hammersmith then via more or less the District line to Victoria, creating a Richmond-Hammersmith-Central London route plus covering Richmond-Victoria on District line. New N237 from White City to Hounslow Heath, then on to Feltham (either via 235 or 117), giving another link to Feltham at night, plus helps out on N9 and N391 between Hounslow/Kew Bridge and Stamford Brook. Not tube related but I would like to see a N37 Peckham to Hounslow via 37/337 to Richmond, then via H37 to Isleworth, then West Middlesex Hospital and 110 to Hounslow, finally running to Bell Corner via H22. Sounds like scaremongering to me. I'd imagine you might see some thinning of frequencies on certain routes but I'd be surprised if anything disappeared completely. Exactly, especially when the night tube is only a weekend arrangement in it's current form. If it was to become a 24/7 service, then night buses might be more endangered.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 20, 2015 20:01:02 GMT
N11, N16, N20, N29 possibly (329 converted to 24 hour), N38, N41, N55, N73, N91, N97, N113, N205, N279 (279 converted to 24 hour). Also 24 hour routes like the 139 may loose it's night services. Just my thoughts. I think the N205 will remain you know because of the Stratford City & East Village Section The N205 will remain because there is no night tube service on the Sub Surface lines and none on the City branch. The N205 can load very heavily and offers a wide range of unique links as well as supporting the 25 in part. I can't see that being touched until the sub surface resignalling is done and that's at least 4 years away given there isn't a signed contract and no work is being done. I don't see that there will be big cuts on the 29 / N279 corridor simply because there is considerable demand on the Camden Road corridor which the tube does nothing about. The spacing of tube stops also means that Green Lanes generates a lot of demand. The 29 is still phenomenally busy in the daytime despite "paralleling" the Picc, Vic and a bit of the Northern line. I expect TfL will wait a while to decide what to do on this corridor. It's routes like the N5 and N20 that are most at risk of reductions. I'm less convinced about the N113 for example given it runs away from the tube network - ditto the N16.
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Post by westhamgeezer on Jan 20, 2015 20:02:50 GMT
I would love the N10 to come back and for an N37 Peckham through to Richmond. I dont like these 24 hour routes, especially ones where they are low frequency eg 10/33 every 30 mins. Its one thing changing at Hammersmith in the middle of the day with routes running every 10 mins plus, another thing waiting half an hour on a cold dark night.
Dont get me wrong, I think that the night bus network is brilliant and to be honest, I think higher fares should be charged at night (like they used to be). I'd happily pay £2.00 for a journey home after midnight. Just think that a couple of the changes in recent years havent been beneficial as I would suggest that night bus journeys are generally a lot longer than day bus journeys, although as the network has expanded, I suspect this has reduced.
I agree, I expect the consultation to come out soon, the Autumn will come round quick!
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Post by Nathan on Jan 20, 2015 20:08:21 GMT
I know for sure that the 57 and N87 will be left remaining. Pretty much all SW London night buses will still be in service.
What's the chances of the (N)65 facing the chop? The 71 could become a 24-hr service to replace the lost Kingston-Chessington section.
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Post by sid on Jan 20, 2015 20:09:21 GMT
Some reductions on Fri/Sat night are inevitable and the N5 and N20 might become Sun-Thursday night only and obviously those who live between tube stations will have some walking to do.
Maybe the N9 might become Hammersmith to Heathrow only on Fri/Sat nights for example?
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 20, 2015 20:13:59 GMT
I would love the N10 to come back and for an N37 Peckham through to Richmond. I dont like these 24 hour routes, especially ones where they are low frequency eg 10/33 every 30 mins. Its one thing changing at Hammersmith in the middle of the day with routes running every 10 mins plus, another thing waiting half an hour on a cold dark night. Dont get me wrong, I think that the night bus network is brilliant and to be honest, I think higher fares should be charged at night (like they used to be). I'd happily pay £2.00 for a journey home after midnight. Just think that a couple of the changes in recent years havent been beneficial as I would suggest that night bus journeys are generally a lot longer than day bus journeys, although as the network has expanded, I suspect this has reduced. I agree, I expect the consultation to come out soon, the Autumn will come round quick! Some 24 Hour Services are quite useful, but I think some are pointless. E.g. 33. May as well extend to N10 to Fulwell I always thought the N159 was very useful, but the N64 is better, but the 64/N64 could serve Pollards Hill and Streatham. 119 Night Service carries hardly anyone around All N Routes and 24 Hour that serve Central London are quite useful The 57 is Useful, but could be extended to Brixton and renumbered N57 The 12 Night Service could be extended to Croydon Town Centre via the 197 The 75 24 Hour Service was quite useful, but I doubt it will return
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 20, 2015 20:16:45 GMT
I know for sure that the 57 and N87 will be left remaining. Pretty much all SW London night buses will still be in service. What's the chances of the (N)65 facing the chop? The 71 could become a 24-hr service to replace the lost Kingston-Chessington section. There is no achievement in that. I think the 65 should remain serving Chessington Nighty.
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