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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 24, 2015 10:39:11 GMT
I think any route with increased weekend services that parallel tube lines like the N155 which is every 15 mins weekdays the up to every 5 mins weekend can expect a reduction in line with weekdays. I'm sure the N5 and N20 could also have a reduction as could the 25 and N8 at weekends.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 24, 2015 12:12:16 GMT
Will be interesting to see how these cuts will affect the number of night drivers. For example, will some end up having to be demoted in pay grade back to day bus routes? One route I am especially thinking of is the N155. Perhaps the 'surplus buses' could be utilised to extend the route beyond Morden. I'm sure a few will find alternative work! The thing with night routes is that most have a 7 day rota, with weekend extra duties done as rest day work or incorporated into unsociable mixed shift rotas. Night rate is only paid for night shifts. It's not always easy to cover those shifts, but it is managed. I'm more interested in how operators will staff the increase in buses that will be on the road at night once the Night Tube changes commence, given there won't be a requisite increase in weeknight duties in all cases. Perhaps rest day patterns may change so that drivers work more on Fridays & Saturdays, but in saying that would it not have a knock-on effect on work/rest days during the week? Another possibility would be to hire part-time drivers for the weekend. |
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Post by kermit463 on Jan 25, 2015 20:46:26 GMT
Maybe they could extend the N155 to Sutton doing the 164 route from Morden to Sutton? Or make a N164, Sutton to Morden normal line of route then 163 route to Wimbledon Chase so to serve the other side of Raynes Park then Wimbledon Chase to Putney but via south Wimbledon, colliers wood, Tooting Broadway then 270 route to Putney bridge. Thoughts?
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Post by kermit463 on Jan 25, 2015 20:50:43 GMT
Maybe they could extend the N155 to Sutton doing the 164 route from Morden to Sutton? Or make a N164, Sutton to Morden normal line of route then 163 route to Wimbledon Chase so to serve the other side of Raynes Park then Wimbledon Chase to Putney but via south Wimbledon, colliers wood, Tooting Broadway then 270 route to Putney bridge. Thoughts? Maybe even extend the N155 or the new N164 to stand at Belmont on the 280 stand |
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Post by Alex on Jan 26, 2015 0:35:46 GMT
Maybe they could extend the N155 to Sutton doing the 164 route from Morden to Sutton? Or make a N164, Sutton to Morden normal line of route then 163 route to Wimbledon Chase so to serve the other side of Raynes Park then Wimbledon Chase to Putney but via south Wimbledon, colliers wood, Tooting Broadway then 270 route to Putney bridge. Thoughts? Maybe even extend the N155 or the new N164 to stand at Belmont on the 280 stand Well - this reminded me of this idea from way back in 2008  - it's quite similar  tangytango.proboards.com/thread/6234/idea-n163Plus your idea of a N155 via the 164 was reality once (hope this link is ok): mjcarchive.www.idnet.com/times/nights/N155%2019990730%20R%204582.pdf |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 26, 2015 3:20:13 GMT
Maybe they could extend the N155 to Sutton doing the 164 route from Morden to Sutton? Or make a N164, Sutton to Morden normal line of route then 163 route to Wimbledon Chase so to serve the other side of Raynes Park then Wimbledon Chase to Putney but via south Wimbledon, colliers wood, Tooting Broadway then 270 route to Putney bridge. Thoughts? Maybe even extend the N155 or the new N164 to stand at Belmont on the 280 stand Well - this reminded me of this idea from way back in 2008 - it's quite similar tangytango.proboards.com/thread/6234/idea-n163Plus your idea of a N155 via the 164 was reality once (hope this link is ok): mjcarchive.www.idnet.com/times/nights/N155%2019990730%20R%204582.pdfIndeed, the N155 & N44 both ran to Sutton in the past but for whatever reason, the N155 was cut back. |
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Post by kermit463 on Jan 26, 2015 16:44:27 GMT
Indeed, the N155 & N44 both ran to Sutton in the past but for whatever reason, the N155 was cut back. Anyone know why it got chopped? As a road that he has 3 busy days routes 80,157 and 164 St Helier avenue has no night link |
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Post by M1104 on Jan 26, 2015 20:59:06 GMT
Indeed, the N155 & N44 both ran to Sutton in the past but for whatever reason, the N155 was cut back. The N44 was rerouted at Rose Hill and replaced the N155 via Angel Hill into Sutton. The section of N44 going via Wrythe Lane, Carshalton and Wallington was consequently withdrawn. |
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Post by 6HP502C on Jan 26, 2015 22:25:42 GMT
Perhaps rest day patterns may change so that drivers work more on Fridays & Saturdays, but in saying that would it not have a knock-on effect on work/rest days during the week? Another possibility would be to hire part-time drivers for the weekend. Possibly, though I wonder how easy it would be to recruit weekend night drivers. That's pretty much what I used to do with Abellio, but that suited me because I was away studying during the week. I'm not sure how popular the arrangement would be in general. I know some other drivers managed to get their hours reduced so they only did Friday and Saturday nights, usually with other household income streams. Loads of people out there need jobs and in some places, drivers are being dismissed as fast as they are being hired so perhaps there will be lots of willing applicants, especially if there is the promise of regular weekday overtime. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Jan 28, 2015 9:32:32 GMT
From unreliable sauce*
Someone I know who has nothing to do the bus industry, told me someone told him that someone in TfL said:
"The night bus consultations will start in February. Some routes to lose frequency to support new connecting routes two of which are N123 (WG to I) and N132 (NG to B)."
This suggests that no routes will go 24 hour, and separate N routes will be used for new night routes.
*Mustard.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 28, 2015 19:19:37 GMT
From unreliable sauce* Someone I know who has nothing to do the bus industry, told me someone told him that someone in TfL said: "The night bus consultations will start in February. Some routes to lose frequency to support new connecting routes two of which are N123 (WG to I) and N132 (NG to B)." This suggests that no routes will go 24 hour, and separate N routes will be used for new night routes. *Mustard. On the assumption that your "source" is correct it seems that TfL will use the "N" prefix where routes fully parallel a day route but do not run nightly. I guess the bus stop stickers would say something like "N132 Fri-Sat nights only". I can't say I am remotely surprised by possible proposals for a N123 and N132 - both entirely logical given tube links. I imagine the N73 will be reduced in frequency beyond Stamford Hill or Seven Sisters. |
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Post by sid on Jan 29, 2015 15:39:04 GMT
From unreliable sauce* Someone I know who has nothing to do the bus industry, told me someone told him that someone in TfL said: "The night bus consultations will start in February. Some routes to lose frequency to support new connecting routes two of which are N123 (WG to I) and N132 (NG to B)." This suggests that no routes will go 24 hour, and separate N routes will be used for new night routes. *Mustard. On the assumption that your "source" is correct it seems that TfL will use the "N" prefix where routes fully parallel a day route but do not run nightly. I guess the bus stop stickers would say something like "N132 Fri-Sat nights only". I can't say I am remotely surprised by possible proposals for a N123 and N132 - both entirely logical given tube links. I imagine the N73 will be reduced in frequency beyond Stamford Hill or Seven Sisters. I would think the N73 may well be withdrawn completely from Walthamstow on Fri/Sat nights? I would also think a Fri/Sat N486 would be useful as North Greenwich will probably be very busy, although the N89 may lose a bit of custom as a result? |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 29, 2015 16:37:45 GMT
On the assumption that your "source" is correct it seems that TfL will use the "N" prefix where routes fully parallel a day route but do not run nightly. I guess the bus stop stickers would say something like "N132 Fri-Sat nights only". I can't say I am remotely surprised by possible proposals for a N123 and N132 - both entirely logical given tube links. I imagine the N73 will be reduced in frequency beyond Stamford Hill or Seven Sisters. I would think the N73 may well be withdrawn completely from Walthamstow on Fri/Sat nights? I would also think a Fri/Sat N486 would be useful as North Greenwich will probably be very busy, although the N89 may lose a bit of custom as a result? I think a withdrawal of the N73 at the north end would be unpopular - not everyone who uses it is going wholly in to town or where the Night Tube will serve. TfL have apparently committed to NOT withdraw parts of the existing night bus network but may thin out frequencies. We shall see what emerges in the consultation. We have to remember that if you are forcing people on to the night tube by removing one travel option that you may be doubling or trebling their travel costs. That will go down like a lead balloon politically [1] and will intensify existing industrial disputes over tube changes. I'd be astonished if TfL were so naive as to hand their opponents a great big stick with which to hit them. [1] we are already seeing a rather lot of moans and complaints about the 33% increase in the cost of One Day Travelcards. It is also causing some political issues for the Mayor. |
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Post by sid on Jan 29, 2015 16:42:44 GMT
I would think the N73 may well be withdrawn completely from Walthamstow on Fri/Sat nights? I would also think a Fri/Sat N486 would be useful as North Greenwich will probably be very busy, although the N89 may lose a bit of custom as a result? I think a withdrawal of the N73 at the north end would be unpopular - not everyone who uses it is going wholly in to town or where the Night Tube will serve. TfL have apparently committed to NOT withdraw parts of the existing night bus network but may thin out frequencies. We shall see what emerges in the consultation. We have to remember that if you are forcing people on to the night tube by removing one travel option that you may be doubling or trebling their travel costs. That will go down like a lead balloon politically [1] and will intensify existing industrial disputes over tube changes. I'd be astonished if TfL were so naive as to hand their opponents a great big stick with which to hit them. [1] we are already seeing a rather lot of moans and complaints about the 33% increase in the cost of One Day Travelcards. It is also causing some political issues for the Mayor. I was just thinking it might be hard to justify the N73, N123 and the Victoria Line between Seven Sisters and Walthamstow on a Fri/Sat night and I suppose an N123 could possibly do a double run to serve W'stow Central? |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 29, 2015 17:41:00 GMT
I think a withdrawal of the N73 at the north end would be unpopular - not everyone who uses it is going wholly in to town or where the Night Tube will serve. TfL have apparently committed to NOT withdraw parts of the existing night bus network but may thin out frequencies. We shall see what emerges in the consultation. We have to remember that if you are forcing people on to the night tube by removing one travel option that you may be doubling or trebling their travel costs. That will go down like a lead balloon politically [1] and will intensify existing industrial disputes over tube changes. I'd be astonished if TfL were so naive as to hand their opponents a great big stick with which to hit them. [1] we are already seeing a rather lot of moans and complaints about the 33% increase in the cost of One Day Travelcards. It is also causing some political issues for the Mayor. I was just thinking it might be hard to justify the N73, N123 and the Victoria Line between Seven Sisters and Walthamstow on a Fri/Sat night and I suppose an N123 could possibly do a double run to serve W'stow Central? I understand your point about justification but the Night Tube is not going to be immensely frequent. We do still have 11 bph in the daytime between Blackhorse Road and close to Seven Sisters alongside a 3 minute tube service and plenty of people still use the bus even where they could actually use the tube instead so TfL accept a level of duplication. I can't see the N123 running via Walthamstow Central - it would get close to adding a bus to the schedule for no great purpose. A half hourly N73 and half hourly N123 is what we'll probably get which is one bhp less than now at weekends but with a greater choice of destinations plus the tube if you need it. If the N73 continues at 5 bph to Seven Sisters then there's always the option to change buses at Tottenham if people wish. |
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