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Post by snoggle on May 29, 2015 23:41:52 GMT
Very quietly TfL have updated the spreadsheet that contains the route level annual patronage numbers. tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/bus-service-usage.xlsA very brief look at the very busiest routes shows a bit of a drop on some of them. I'm busy trying to sort the data so I can put in my mega spreadsheet that works out all the changes and capacity etc. The grand total for the year also looks to be lower than last year but sometimes it doesn't align with what TfL put in their Annual Report. The 136, one of the big route extensions, has seen an increase of 1.7m pass jnys. That worked then! |
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Post by routew15 on May 30, 2015 0:20:32 GMT
Very quietly TfL have updated the spreadsheet that contains the route level annual patronage numbers. tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/bus-service-usage.xlsA very brief look at the very busiest routes shows a bit of a drop on some of them. I'm busy trying to sort the data so I can put in my mega spreadsheet that works out all the changes and capacity etc. The grand total for the year also looks to be lower than last year but sometimes it doesn't align with what TfL put in their Annual Report. The 136, one of the big route extensions, has seen an increase of 1.7m pass jnys. That worked then! Thank you for sharing this. As I continue to look through this doc I find it more and more enlightening. Definitely noticing a pattern emerging of growth in the suburbs and falls in the city. Routes like the 499 have gone up to 1,017,814 (703, 203 in 2010) pretty decent for a relatively low frequency, zone 5/6 bus route. I'm noticing decreases in buses that have converted to New Routemaster, wonder what's going on there... Looking at the W11 and W15 I see the returning of the routes to Palmerston Road has made the numbers drop more significantly noticeable on the W15 which down by 434,915, it's still the second busiest W route just nipping ahead of the W7 & W8. |
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Post by Steve80 on May 30, 2015 1:03:43 GMT
Thanks for the link. A brief random look shows that route 140 has gone up four places from 17 position so its now the 13th busiest route. 159 has dropped four places to 27. Route 93 moved from 45 to 37. Route 94 has jumped from position 42 to 30 which is a big jump! P13 gone up by 20 places to position 397  |
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Post by vjaska on May 30, 2015 1:07:31 GMT
I noticed the top three of South London bus routes with the most patronage seems to have remained as they were (the 12, then the 53 and then the 109). However, whilst the 12 & 109 has seen small drops, the 53 has dropped by roughly 1 million leaving it just in front of the 109 by roughly 200,000.
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Post by vjaska on May 30, 2015 1:32:22 GMT
Meanwhile, in Brixton, the following routes have seen increases:
The 59 from 7,151,290 to 7,220,735
The 118 from 4,975,495 to 5,060,586
The 432 from 3,171,507 to 3,206,861
The N3 from 464,016 to 467,527
The night element of the 37 from 176,663 to 178,743
The N133 from 371,701 to 389,707
The night element of the 159 from 299,307 to 301,862
The night element of the 250 from 189,479 to 196,070
The night element of the 345 from 187,566 to 188,901
All are tiny increases of around 2000 to 3000 except for the N133 and night element of the 250 which saw much bigger increases of around 18,000 & 7,000 respectively.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 6:11:39 GMT
The N9 showing as the 3rd busiest night route , it's pvr is 18 at weekends. Shows how busy these buses are with a ten min headway. The top two have x6 min frequencies I believe.
the 391 figures would show a firm justification for double deckers to be made permanent.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 6:17:04 GMT
I noticed the top three of South London bus routes with the most patronage seems to have remained as they were (the 12, then the 53 and then the 109). However, whilst the 12 & 109 has seen small drops, the 53 has dropped by roughly 1 million leaving it just in front of the 109 by roughly 200,000. Whilst the 453 has shown an increase. Wonder whether more 53 passengers are using the 453 now , especially since the 53 doesn't even make it across the river now which defeats many objectives |
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Post by northken on May 30, 2015 7:33:27 GMT
The 7 has lost 606,420 passengers. It's now dropped below the 1 and is the least used route in the first 10 (bar the 9H). I think this puts it at threat of at least a frequency decrease.
Meanwhile the 23 has had an increase of 378,665 pax, yet is still getting a lower PVR upon contract renewal.
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Post by snoggle on May 30, 2015 8:15:19 GMT
I noticed the top three of South London bus routes with the most patronage seems to have remained as they were (the 12, then the 53 and then the 109). However, whilst the 12 & 109 has seen small drops, the 53 has dropped by roughly 1 million leaving it just in front of the 109 by roughly 200,000. Whilst the 453 has shown an increase. Wonder whether more 53 passengers are using the 453 now , especially since the 53 doesn't even make it across the river now which defeats many objectives That was certainly my view - the 53 has been disrupted for many months now and that will show up in the stats. I think it is a factor on several routes which have been ups and downs in their patronage and their relative movement in the ranking. The 94 was mentioned in another post and I wonder if the curtailment of the 390 at Lancaster Gate has shifted people across. I haven't got through all the numbers yet but there seems to have been a bit of an increase in SE London routes and elsewhere in the suburbs. Central London routes have not done well and I'd guess the congestion and road work issues are the cause. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 10:29:53 GMT
Interesting to see just how busy the el1/el2 is. If you combine the numbers 2010-11 5,904,105
2011-12 6,324,034
2012-13 6,334,679
2013-14 6,648,318
2014-15 7,206,073
That's quite a jump over 5 years and even with the frequency increase to 5 mins Monday-Saturday it still struggles during peak periods. Leaving people at stops.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 30, 2015 11:05:11 GMT
Interesting to see just how busy the el1/el2 is. If you combine the numbers 2010-11 5,904,105 2011-12 6,324,034 2012-13 6,334,679 2013-14 6,648,318 2014-15 7,206,073 That's quite a jump over 5 years and even with the frequency increase to 5 mins Monday-Saturday it still struggles during peak periods. Leaving people at stops. Whenever I use the EL1/EL2 it's just a nightmare to get on at Chapel Road, the buses stand there for a while as people just keep on turning out of nowhere. I usually don't like it when people are left behind on a route but with these routes it's pretty easy to understand why. However it is interesting to note that the 169 has actually seen a drop in patronage of 118,948 One thing which is interesting is that a lot of East London routes have actually seen drops in patronage, with the 5 moving down to London's 10th busiest route and the 86 moving down to the 12th busiest route. The 25 has seen a drop in passenger numbers as well. Many East London routes have seen decreases in patronage with both 104 and 238 going down. 173 however showing quite an increase. In terms of night routes N29 is still the busiest with the 25N coming 2nd and N9 and N15 3rd and 4th respectivley, N207 comes 5th. N38 comes 6th, N18 comes 7th, N155 comes 8th, N8 comes 9th and N279 comes 10th. |
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Post by Unorm on May 30, 2015 11:58:41 GMT
From what I see on the usage data since 2010/11 to 2014/5
Decreases:
2 from 9 493 582 to 9 166 379 - decrease of 327 203
68 from 6 788 778 to 6 542 616 - decrease of 246 162
N68 from 452 197 to 434 512 - decrease of 17 685
207 from 12 814 299 to 12 598 583 - decrease of 215 716
427 from 8 354 976 to 8 231 946 - decrease of 123 030
468 from 8 537 691 to 8 721 523 - increase of 183 832
607 from 7 659 054 to 7 429 599 - decrease of 229 455
X68 from 407 956 to 350 433 - decrease of 57 523
P4 from 2 419 021 to 2 418 275 - decrease of 746
Increases:
322 from 1 678 010 to 1 692 209 - increase of 14 199
415 from 2 162 149 to 2 178 844 - increase of 16 695
X26 from 1 341 070 to 1 672 956 - increase of 331 886
G1 from 1 594 642 to 1 788 593 - increase of 193 951
P13 from 1 320 602 to 1 713 621 - increase of 393 019 with around 3 000 since last year
N2 from 355 996 to 365 536 - increase of 9 540
N207 from 1 029 279 to 1 133 430 - increase of 104 151
So there's a balance of decrease and increase over the last 5 years. But more to the loss since last year.
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Post by snoggle on May 30, 2015 12:20:44 GMT
Just had a look at routes that have been hacked around during the Wood Green roadworks. Quite big falls on the routes - the 144 went down 14%. Of course everything's back to normal today but it shows that people do stop travelling as much when their bus services are faffed around with.
The other telling falls in patronage are the 38 and 242 - the 38 has lost 5m pass jnys over the last 5-6 years. The 242 has lost 1m pass jnys. I assume this is down to cycling growth and the effect of the improved Overground services.
Looking at the Olympic Park routes I see the 388 has had quite a big increase and the 308 has gone up by 20% in the last year (no wonder it's struggling). The 339's gone up by 30%. The 97 has gone up slightly while the D8 and 241 have seen small declines. I'd suggest the 339 probably needs a frequency increase now even though that might cause issues on some of the narrower roads.
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Post by smoothcriminal on May 30, 2015 12:45:09 GMT
About time a fair amount of the 38's resources are allocated elsewhere.
How can the current usage justify the amount of buses on the route.
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Post by lonmark on May 30, 2015 12:59:52 GMT
I am looking at Chislehurst where routes pass though.
Route 61 - + 12,376
Route 160 - + 84,483
Route 161 - + 357,251
Route 162 - + 188,459
Route 269 - + 65,159
Route 273 - + 69,414
I was right along and think this route 162 def need increase minutes freq. every 20 minutes may not be enough.
Route 162 is next second busy buses after route 161 is biggest busy buses.
Route 61 is low increase in last five years. I never see this route 61 busy at all apart from school times.
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