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Post by Hassaan on Jun 7, 2015 22:59:50 GMT
With all the focus on the East, the West has generally been overlooked over the past few years. There are many links which could be useful such as: - Hounslow-Ealing (and possibly Greenford): Prehaps merging the E1 and E8 together could be useful. Or merge these two routes with the E2 extended to Hounslow
- Ealing-Heathrow: The only major area in West London not to have a direct bus link to Heathrow. Could run via Hounslow to 'kill two birds with one stone' so to speak
- Ealing-White City-Lancaster Gate: Could run together with a slight frequency cut on the 207.
- Ruislip and/or Harrow-Harlington Corner-Hounslow: Adds extra capacity on the 140 and H98. Could be solved by extending the H98 to Harrow and/or Ruislip
- Harrow-Northolt-Southall: Would run over 140 and 120 and relive pressure on the northern sections of these routes, as well as linking Harrow to Southall
- Greenford-(Northolt)-Southall-Cranford-Hounslow: Would run via 105 to Cranford and then via Hounslow West to Hounslow Town Centre
- New N120 between Hounslow and Harrow, gives a night link between Hounslow and Southall, something I believe would be useful every day and bolsters night service Northolt-Harrow.
It's possible to get from Ealing to Hounslow without Metroline- by taking E10 to Northolt (Arriva) and 120 (London United) but Metroline does have a major presence the area, thanks to taking over most of First. Ealing Broadway and its surrounding area is served by eight Metroline garages (AH, G, HS, ON, PA, UX, W and WJ) and AC if you count the 260 running a stones throw away in Acton. I'm not sure I agree with all of the links you've proposed but many of them are perfectly sensible. I guess my main question is whether you'd extend an already very busy route like the H98 or whether you would add in some brand new routes to help raise network frequencies and add new links. If you have a route that is modestly used and could be extended then that makes sense - the long debated Ealing to Hounslow link falls into that category. I think something like Ealing - Heathrow or Ealing - Harrow should be new services. One of the issues in NW London is the imbalance in bus provision where the tube also runs. Very little parallels the Met Line west of Harrow to Uxbridge, ditto Ealing to Heathrow despite the vast difference in fares. Other places seem to have plenty of tube or rail duplication - Hammersmith to Chiswick is a classic example. NW London is not unique in having this issue - obviously happens a lot in Zone 1 and in East London - but is somehow more noticeable in West London. Of course the E1 and E8 were one route at some point. I'm not sure whether for extension to Hounslow the E8 route via Hanwell and Boston Manor is better than the E2 route via Northfields, or not, I'm torn between both! But yes, for Ealing to Heathrow a new route would be better. Personally I would go for Ealing Broadway to Heathrow Central via South Ealing Road, A315 London Road, A315 Staines Road, Green Lane, short bit of A312 The Parkway then down A4 Bath Road. That way it helps the 65, 237 and brings in a new route along the whole of Green Lane, currently served partially by the 423. Comes in at 11-12 miles, which is shorter than I thought. If you want you could instead go for the direct route via Hounslow West rather than the detour via Green Lane. I wouldn't extend the H98, but would give it deckers. Ruislip has particularly poor links so would be good, but right now I can't think of a route it would take to Hounslow. Southall to either Harrow or Wembley would also be a good idea. I'd prefer Wembley but the 140 needs something to duplicate between Northolt and Harrow. Not keen on this Greenford to Hounslow idea. Would be better to use the whole length of Lady Margaret Road in order to provide a much more direct link between Greenford and Southall), then South Road, Merrick Road, Norwood Road, Thorncliffe Road, North Hyde Lane, New Heston Road, Heston Road, Lampton Road, either terminating at Hounslow Bus Station or possibly continuing to Twickenham Station via Bell Road and the 281 Route. May swap to run via Lampton Road instead of Kingsley Road. Having a night route would be good, but what would the demand be like?
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Post by Hassaan on Jun 7, 2015 23:00:35 GMT
In regards to a Heathrow to Ealing link and a Hounslow to Heathrow link, I'd kill three birds by extending the E2 from Brentford to Heathrow via Isleworth, Hounslow, Hounslow West & the Bath Road corridor. I wouldn't merge the E1 & E8 together - I think, for now, they are fine as they are. I'm not so sure on a Ealing to Lancaster Gate link - I mean, it doesn't make it into the main parts of Central London - if only the 159 was still terminating at Paddington...... I think what the H98 needs is deckers and that's it. An extension to Uxbridge might work but I think extending it to Harrow would be too much. Besides, the Kingsway terminus in Hayes End seems well used so I'm not sure the locals would be happy with their route removed. Again, I'm unsure on a Harrow to Southall link myself but maybe there is demand. In addition, I'd implement two new routes to run from Ealing to Harrow and from Hounslow to Harrow The Ealing to Harrow link (numbered E4) would run via Uxbridge Road, Hanwell, Ealing Hospital OR via Castlebar Road, Castlebar Hill, Cleveland Road, Argyle Road, Ruislip Road East, THEN, Greenford Broadway, Greenford, Greenford Road, Whitton Avenue East, Sudbury Town, Sudbury & Harrow Road, Watford Road, Northwick Park Hospital, Sheepcote Road & Station Road The Hounslow to Harrow link (numbered H40) would run via Bath Road, Sutton Lane, Norwood Green, Windmill Lane, Uxbridge Road, Southall, Hayes, Yeading Lane, Yeading, Church Road, Northolt, Northolt Road, South Harrow, Bessborough Road I'm a little undecided which routing my E4 idea should take between Ealing & Greenford - Castlebar Road gives better reliability but Greenford Road provides a brand new link to Ealing Broadway. Windmill lane wouldn't work 3 ton weight limit on three bridges. Living quite local to it, it always annoys me when someone sees it as another road on a map and tries sending a bus that way
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Post by snoggle on Jun 7, 2015 23:23:14 GMT
As people seem to have enjoyed my comments on NW London buses (thanks for the likes!) should I do a "commentary" (ahem) on the other quadrants of London's bus network? If nothing else it might provoke some comment.
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Post by COBO on Jun 7, 2015 23:29:36 GMT
As people seem to have enjoyed my comments on NW London buses (thanks for the likes!) should I do a "commentary" (ahem) on the other quadrants of London's bus network? If nothing else it might provoke some comment. I think that you should do this to the other quadrants of London's bus network.
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Post by rmz19 on Jun 8, 2015 8:51:14 GMT
To be honest the 228 is hardly used well, apart from being handy along the entire length of Ladbroke Grove I never really understood its introduction in the first place. It's pretty much a second 187 with a complicated route, axeing it completely wouldn't cause any significant issues. I can see the logic behind your interesting 206 proposal, the issue however is Route B would mirror the 187 to an extent i.e. going past Queen's Park, Harlesden and Central Middlesex Hospital. Perhaps the 187 could be extended to Ealing Broadway from Central Middlesex Hospital via Route B, assisting the 226 along the common section. As I mentioned in a previous post I couldn't see a reason to replace it, however the point you make is valid. I think the parrallel between the 187 and Route B is minor, it's not as parrallel as the 204 and 79. Howver I disagree with extending the 187 alongside the 226, I don think there is enough passenger demand to have two routes heading to virtually the same place. Also there's been a history of one low frequency routes in the Montpelier area (PR1 & 226) so to have two routes may ruffle some feathers. Yes having the 187 and 226 along a lightly used section wouldn't be wise, the 187 could go via Abbey Road, Twyford Abbey Road, Hanger Lane and onto Uxbridge Road instead, leaving the Montpelier area exclusively to the 226, providing an alternative means to Ealing Broadway from other areas along the route. From previous observations the 226 is rammed in the peaks to and from Ealing Broadway, this would be a welcoming introduction as well as a useful one.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Jun 8, 2015 10:11:05 GMT
I would suggest Southall but the traffic in Wembley and Alperton is already enough for these routes to deal with, and the 83 also has to deal with the North Circular too which during rush hour and when events take place at Wembley is a right pain (I remember it took about three hours to get from Hampton to Highgate in the car once, about half of which was getting from Gunnersbury Avenue to Neasden) so extending the 83 there is a big no-no. The 92 might be able cope. Wembley-Southall is another link which would be rather useful I think. 83 - extending it further is a no-go. The most 83 could possibly do is an extension to Windmill Park where the larger retail is. Ealing Hospital is still, remember, a hospital with an urgent care centre, so it is still a notable destination. I'd rather not touch the 92, or the 83 any more than what I suggested. I do agree that an E8 extension should be considered over the E2 but if it's decided the E8 goes to Heathrow then an Hounslow extension for the E2 should also be considered. There should be the following changes around Heathrow I think 1) 24 hour service on the 490, this would link Richmond to Heathrow at night. To help passenger to get to Terminals 1/2/3, the 285 can be timed in such a way that when a Heathrow-bound 490 arrives, a Heathrow-bound 285 arrives shortly afterwards to pick up any connecting passengers. The same also would apply to Kingston-bound 285s and Heathrow-bound 490s 2) A new service for the public, similar to how the old H50 used to run, serving all three interchanges at Heathrow and Hatton Cross. Runs every 15 minutes during the day, every day and hourly at night. 3) extend the A10 and/or U3 via the Northern Perimiter Road East, Eastern Perimiter Road, Envoy Avenue, Hatton Cross and Southern Perimter Road to Terminal 4 and the 105, 111, 140 or 285 plus the X26 to Terminal 5 via Northern Premiter Road West and Western Perimiter Road to Heathrow Terminal 5. The stopping service extended would serve all stops while the X26 would run non-stop to T5. I would also add a night service on the X26 running from AV. Both services would do a double run via Heathrow Central You mean the H30. Reintroduce the H30. Those Darts were good! 24hr service on the 490 sounds good. For night time, I'd extend the N9 to Heathrow Terminal 4 from T5 as well. Or indeed separate. Terminal 4 needs buses, it's ruddy hard to get there, especially early morning. The Heathrow Central lot to Terminal 5 was I think initially thought of when T5 was planned, but not executed. If a H30 isn't reintroduced, one of the routes should be extended during the day to Terminal 5 from Central, even with free trains. Just the walking. The sheer corridor walking. I'd say the 111, because it's the least busiest out of the lot. Only one route is needed to be extended to T5 from Central. The 441 does count, but it's too infrequent. D*mn! I did mean the H30, got the two mixed up! Is there room to terminate a route at T4? If so the 350 could be extended there.
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 8, 2015 14:51:23 GMT
As people seem to have enjoyed my comments on NW London buses (thanks for the likes!) should I do a "commentary" (ahem) on the other quadrants of London's bus network? If nothing else it might provoke some comment. I think that you should do this to the other quadrants of London's bus network. A link between west London and the other London quadrants would be handy
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 16:44:52 GMT
Reply to networker 93 there is already good service northolt to hounslow 120. Mayb it needs more buses bcz it always pakd between southall and hounslow but the route itself is fine. Were stil trying for ealing to hounslow
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 16:49:05 GMT
Reply to networker 93 there is already good service northolt to hounslow 120. Mayb it needs more buses bcz it always pakd between southall and hounslow but the route itself is fine. Were stil trying for ealing to hounslow For a old man you talk like a teen!
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Post by Connor on Jun 8, 2015 17:16:17 GMT
Reply to networker 93 there is already good service northolt to hounslow 120. Mayb it needs more buses bcz it always pakd between southall and hounslow but the route itself is fine. Were stil trying for ealing to hounslow Are you using a Nokia 3310?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 17:45:40 GMT
Reply to networker 93 there is already good service northolt to hounslow 120. Mayb it needs more buses bcz it always pakd between southall and hounslow but the route itself is fine. Were stil trying for ealing to hounslow Are you using a Nokia 3310? aww yes 3310 with WAP internet lol
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Post by COBO on Jun 8, 2015 23:18:18 GMT
I think that you should do this to the other quadrants of London's bus network. A link between west London and the other London quadrants would be handy That's should be a Metroline bus because Metroline are everywhere.
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Post by Nathan on Jun 9, 2015 8:03:51 GMT
A link between west London and the other London quadrants would be handy That's should be a Metroline bus because Metroline are everywhere. But so is GAL Kind of..
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 9, 2015 22:15:47 GMT
Reply to networker 93 there is already good service northolt to hounslow 120. Mayb it needs more buses bcz it always pakd between southall and hounslow but the route itself is fine. Were stil trying for ealing to hounslow Are you using a Nokia 3310? LMAO
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 8:20:26 GMT
Im using samsung s4. Why?
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