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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 20, 2015 16:41:52 GMT
I've tried to brainstorm a solution to this issue, however the 148 stand replacement is an issue.
42, 68, 468, N68 move to the Abellio changeover stand 40, 176, 185, 484 remain outside Superdrug 35, 45, 345 move to Orpheus Street although I doubt the side street can cope with the hordes of passengers wishing to travel to Brixton.
Now here's the problem. The 148 needs somewhere else to stand. A solution could be to extend the route to Peckham Bus station via Route 12 bringing back a connection to Notting Hill and Shepherd's Bush lost when the 12 was shortened to Oxford Circus. However the running time would be extended and could become unreliable. Another is to use the space used by Route 484 by the GAL driver training centre at Camberwell Garage, yet would require re-routing itself.
On the other hand, the Valmar Road stop is a short walk from the current stops for the Brixton routes on Coldharbour Lane.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 20, 2015 16:53:14 GMT
I've tried to brainstorm a solution to this issue, however the 148 stand replacement is an issue. 42, 68, 468, N68 move to the Abellio changeover stand 40, 176, 185, 484 remain outside Superdrug 35, 45, 345 move to Orpheus Street although I doubt the side street can cope with the hordes of passengers wishing to travel to Brixton. Now here's the problem. The 148 needs somewhere else to stand. A solution could be to extend the route to Peckham Bus station via Route 12 bringing back a connection to Notting Hill and Shepherd's Bush lost when the 12 was shortened to Oxford Circus. However the running time would be extended and could become unreliable. Another is to use the space used by Route 484 by the GAL driver training centre at Camberwell Garage, yet would require re-routing itself. On the other hand, the Valmar Road stop is a short walk from the current stops for the Brixton routes on Coldharbour Lane. If the 148 is the issue then surely a gentle "arm twisting" from TfL could persuade Go Ahead to allow the 148 to stand in Camberwell Garage? Alternatively "arm twist" Abellio to stand in Walworth. TfL are the freeholder at Walworth so have more influence. It's marginally ridiculous that such an arrangement isn't the first option rather than a street stand, especially on a narrow twisty layout as the 148 currently uses. Operators actually need to cooperate on a day to day basis to make things work - if it can be done at Catford then why not elsewhere? We're not talking about passengers having any access to a garage.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 20, 2015 17:26:51 GMT
I've tried to brainstorm a solution to this issue, however the 148 stand replacement is an issue. 42, 68, 468, N68 move to the Abellio changeover stand 40, 176, 185, 484 remain outside Superdrug 35, 45, 345 move to Orpheus Street although I doubt the side street can cope with the hordes of passengers wishing to travel to Brixton. Now here's the problem. The 148 needs somewhere else to stand. A solution could be to extend the route to Peckham Bus station via Route 12 bringing back a connection to Notting Hill and Shepherd's Bush lost when the 12 was shortened to Oxford Circus. However the running time would be extended and could become unreliable. Another is to use the space used by Route 484 by the GAL driver training centre at Camberwell Garage, yet would require re-routing itself. On the other hand, the Valmar Road stop is a short walk from the current stops for the Brixton routes on Coldharbour Lane. One option would be to allow the 148 to turn right onto Camberwell New Road and stand there with it running via Medlar Street to reach Camberwell Road. However, the problem with this idea is it won't serve Camberwell Green when heading back to into Central London & beyond.
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Post by sid on Aug 20, 2015 17:31:14 GMT
I've tried to brainstorm a solution to this issue, however the 148 stand replacement is an issue. 42, 68, 468, N68 move to the Abellio changeover stand 40, 176, 185, 484 remain outside Superdrug 35, 45, 345 move to Orpheus Street although I doubt the side street can cope with the hordes of passengers wishing to travel to Brixton. Now here's the problem. The 148 needs somewhere else to stand. A solution could be to extend the route to Peckham Bus station via Route 12 bringing back a connection to Notting Hill and Shepherd's Bush lost when the 12 was shortened to Oxford Circus. However the running time would be extended and could become unreliable. Another is to use the space used by Route 484 by the GAL driver training centre at Camberwell Garage, yet would require re-routing itself. On the other hand, the Valmar Road stop is a short walk from the current stops for the Brixton routes on Coldharbour Lane. I suggested previously moving the Brixton stop to where the 148 currently stands, I think if that were done the 42,68 and 468 could stay where they are . As for the 148, I don't think there is much space at Peckham bus station anyway. There probably wouldn't be room on the 42 stand at Sunray Avenue and there would undoubtedly be objections from residents so Herne Hill would seem the only other option? Isn't the 148 being retendered? Maybe GA or Abellio will get it?
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Aug 20, 2015 17:53:50 GMT
I've tried to brainstorm a solution to this issue, however the 148 stand replacement is an issue. 42, 68, 468, N68 move to the Abellio changeover stand 40, 176, 185, 484 remain outside Superdrug 35, 45, 345 move to Orpheus Street although I doubt the side street can cope with the hordes of passengers wishing to travel to Brixton. Now here's the problem. The 148 needs somewhere else to stand. A solution could be to extend the route to Peckham Bus station via Route 12 bringing back a connection to Notting Hill and Shepherd's Bush lost when the 12 was shortened to Oxford Circus. However the running time would be extended and could become unreliable. Another is to use the space used by Route 484 by the GAL driver training centre at Camberwell Garage, yet would require re-routing itself. On the other hand, the Valmar Road stop is a short walk from the current stops for the Brixton routes on Coldharbour Lane. What would be simpler would be to; 42, 68, 468 and N68 move to the Abellio changeover stand 40, 176, 185, 484 remain outside Superdrug 35, 45, 345 should remain outside McDonalds as well This would relieve congestion and as well keeping existing connections together. Personally, I think this is a pointless exercise by Southwark Council when they could investing the money used in scheme into other things like social housing etc. you know things that would actually benefit their residents.
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Post by sid on Aug 20, 2015 18:14:54 GMT
I've tried to brainstorm a solution to this issue, however the 148 stand replacement is an issue. 42, 68, 468, N68 move to the Abellio changeover stand 40, 176, 185, 484 remain outside Superdrug 35, 45, 345 move to Orpheus Street although I doubt the side street can cope with the hordes of passengers wishing to travel to Brixton. Now here's the problem. The 148 needs somewhere else to stand. A solution could be to extend the route to Peckham Bus station via Route 12 bringing back a connection to Notting Hill and Shepherd's Bush lost when the 12 was shortened to Oxford Circus. However the running time would be extended and could become unreliable. Another is to use the space used by Route 484 by the GAL driver training centre at Camberwell Garage, yet would require re-routing itself. On the other hand, the Valmar Road stop is a short walk from the current stops for the Brixton routes on Coldharbour Lane. What would be simpler would be to; 42, 68, 468 and N68 move to the Abellio changeover stand 40, 176, 185, 484 remain outside Superdrug 35, 45, 345 should remain outside McDonalds as well This would relieve congestion and as well keeping existing connections together. Personally, I think this is a pointless exercise by Southwark Council when they could investing the money used in scheme into other things like social housing etc. you know things that would actually benefit their residents. Hardly a pointless exercise, at the moment there are too many buses and passengers and not enough space so something has to give
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 20, 2015 19:20:23 GMT
I've tried to brainstorm a solution to this issue, however the 148 stand replacement is an issue. 42, 68, 468, N68 move to the Abellio changeover stand 40, 176, 185, 484 remain outside Superdrug 35, 45, 345 move to Orpheus Street although I doubt the side street can cope with the hordes of passengers wishing to travel to Brixton. Now here's the problem. The 148 needs somewhere else to stand. A solution could be to extend the route to Peckham Bus station via Route 12 bringing back a connection to Notting Hill and Shepherd's Bush lost when the 12 was shortened to Oxford Circus. However the running time would be extended and could become unreliable. Another is to use the space used by Route 484 by the GAL driver training centre at Camberwell Garage, yet would require re-routing itself. On the other hand, the Valmar Road stop is a short walk from the current stops for the Brixton routes on Coldharbour Lane. . As for the 148, I don't think there is much space at Peckham bus station anyway. There's spare capacity at Peckham Bus Station since the 136 was extended to the Elephant.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 20, 2015 21:56:35 GMT
What would be simpler would be to; 42, 68, 468 and N68 move to the Abellio changeover stand 40, 176, 185, 484 remain outside Superdrug 35, 45, 345 should remain outside McDonalds as well This would relieve congestion and as well keeping existing connections together. Personally, I think this is a pointless exercise by Southwark Council when they could investing the money used in scheme into other things like social housing etc. you know things that would actually benefit their residents. Hardly a pointless exercise, at the moment there are too many buses and passengers and not enough space so something has to give Sorry but have you seen Brixton when piles of buses congregate? It is part and parcel of rush hour and I think the problem is being over exaggerated. I've used those stops during rush hour and other busy times and on numerous occasions, buses have managed to get in and out safely. Like all these schemes except Fiveways, it's just more wasted money and it's making bus travel more unattractive.
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Post by sid on Aug 21, 2015 5:29:02 GMT
Hardly a pointless exercise, at the moment there are too many buses and passengers and not enough space so something has to give Sorry but have you seen Brixton when piles of buses congregate? It is part and parcel of rush hour and I think the problem is being over exaggerated. I've used those stops during rush hour and other busy times and on numerous occasions, buses have managed to get in and out safely. Like all these schemes except Fiveways, it's just more wasted money and it's making bus travel more unattractive. Yes I have and the stops outside the shopping centre at Elephant & Castle are just as bad. At Camberwell buses go in three directions towards Brixton, East Dulwich and Herne Hill so it seems sensible to have three separate stops, although I don't see the point of removing the right turn from Camberwell New Road
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Post by vjaska on Aug 21, 2015 10:31:41 GMT
Sorry but have you seen Brixton when piles of buses congregate? It is part and parcel of rush hour and I think the problem is being over exaggerated. I've used those stops during rush hour and other busy times and on numerous occasions, buses have managed to get in and out safely. Like all these schemes except Fiveways, it's just more wasted money and it's making bus travel more unattractive. Yes I have and the stops outside the shopping centre at Elephant & Castle are just as bad. At Camberwell buses go in three directions towards Brixton, East Dulwich and Herne Hill so it seems sensible to have three separate stops, although I don't see the point of removing the right turn from Camberwell New Road It may seem sensible to have three different stops but you then are breaking up the interchange aspect which is unattractive.
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Post by sid on Aug 21, 2015 11:29:21 GMT
Yes I have and the stops outside the shopping centre at Elephant & Castle are just as bad. At Camberwell buses go in three directions towards Brixton, East Dulwich and Herne Hill so it seems sensible to have three separate stops, although I don't see the point of removing the right turn from Camberwell New Road It may seem sensible to have three different stops but you then are breaking up the interchange aspect which is unattractive. But the three stops would only be a stones throw apart. It is for that reason I suggested this rather than moving Brixton bound routes back to the Abellio changeover point which would be inconvenient and would also mean no common stop with the 345.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 21, 2016 0:45:43 GMT
Looks like the scheme has run into some problems.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 21, 2016 0:48:28 GMT
Looks like the scheme has run into some problems. Good, I'm so happy they have run into problems and not just presided to go ahead with making a mess of the place like Elephant, Stockwell & Vauxhall.
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Post by routew15 on Apr 12, 2016 11:29:10 GMT
If Southwark council ever need proof that Camberwell can not have one bus stop for all routes, they need look no further than mess that Camberwell is in now due to the bus stop closures.
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Post by routew15 on Jul 24, 2017 12:59:30 GMT
Another go at trying to "improve" / "modify" Camberwell Green Junction and surrounding roads. This time consultation is being carried out by TfL. Consultation web page
Once again not sure who this scheme benefits as pedestrians still have two stage crossings, cyclist still do not have there much desired segregation, buses have separate stops.
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