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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 12, 2015 16:18:10 GMT
Southwark Council are consulting on bus stop changes and re-routing of certain bus routes at Camberwell Green to relieve congestion. In summary. Bus Stop Q outside McDonalds for buses towards Brixton or Herne Hill moves to the current bus changover for Abellio stand on Camberwell Green. Routes 35, 45 and 345 go straight along Denmark Hill to Coldharbour Lane. Route 185 will be re-routed towards Lewisham by turning left into Medlar Street, then right into Camberwell Road then line of route as the right turn from Camberwell New Road will be scrapped. Stop S driver changeover used by GAL drivers on Route 185 towards Victoria moves to Camberwell New Road. Stop P driver changeover used by GAL drivers on Route 185 towards Lewisham moves to Camberwell New Road. The main issue for me is the removal of Stop Q from Denmark Hill, this is where all three routes towards Brixton meet. If this proposal goes ahead, this will mean either using the new stop Q at Camberwell Green for the 35 and 45 or the stop in Camberwell Church St for the 345. consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/camberwell-town-centre-public-realm-improvements
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Post by M1104 on Aug 12, 2015 16:24:56 GMT
The Lewisham-bound 185's running time will have to be adjusted as the rerouting would add up to ten minutes getting through the town centre. The right turn ban from Camberwell New Road into Denmark Hill would cause inconvenience for some buses running light out of Q (eg. 68/468) and WL (40).
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 12, 2015 16:29:04 GMT
I didn't see where the Abellio changeover bus stand is moving, I suspect they'll now change further down Camberwell Road at the Medlar Street stops where the GAL and Arriva drivers on Routes 12 and 176 change drivers southbound.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 12, 2015 16:30:39 GMT
The Lewisham-bound 185's running time will have to be adjusted as the rerouting would add up to ten minutes getting through the town centre. The right turn ban from Camberwell New Road into Denmark Hill cause inconvenience for some buses running light out of Q (eg. 68/468) and WL (40). Not forgetting the 484 which would also have to use Medlar Street.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 12, 2015 17:34:08 GMT
Another stupid junction plan with yet more money being wasted. We lose the interchange at Camberwell Green for the 35/45 and 345 as well as the bus stops serving the main stops and the right turn is being re-installed despite it being removed roughly 10 years and Coldharbour Lane buses rerouted via Orpheus Street & Daneville Road. The time saved here is so minimal, it's not worth it and even then, it depends on the signal being in your favour.
Running the 185 & 484 via Medlar Street looks good in principle but as already said, it will add time on.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 12, 2015 18:27:33 GMT
London Travelwatch are strangely for the proposed changes.
It would have made more sense for the other stop towards East Dulwich use the new stop on Camberwell Green considering the 185 and 484 will use Camberwell Road.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 13, 2015 13:02:34 GMT
I sometimes think TfL forget that people actually change buses and prefer to have convenient and short distance interchange. Deliberately removing interchanges and lengthening journey times for people is the complete opposite of TfL's business case methodology. I wonder what the business case is for this case and whether the obvious disbenefits have been included in the calculation. The double irony of London Travelwatch supporting this is that they recently issued a vast report recommending improved interchange facilities in London.
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Post by sid on Aug 15, 2015 12:00:03 GMT
Southwark Council are consulting on bus stop changes and re-routing of certain bus routes at Camberwell Green to relieve congestion. In summary. Bus Stop Q outside McDonalds for buses towards Brixton or Herne Hill moves to the current bus changover for Abellio stand on Camberwell Green. Routes 35, 45 and 345 go straight along Denmark Hill to Coldharbour Lane. Route 185 will be re-routed towards Lewisham by turning left into Medlar Street, then right into Camberwell Road then line of route as the right turn from Camberwell New Road will be scrapped. Stop S driver changeover used by GAL drivers on Route 185 towards Victoria moves to Camberwell New Road. Stop P driver changeover used by GAL drivers on Route 185 towards Lewisham moves to Camberwell New Road. The main issue for me is the removal of Stop Q from Denmark Hill, this is where all three routes towards Brixton meet. If this proposal goes ahead, this will mean either using the new stop Q at Camberwell Green for the 35 and 45 or the stop in Camberwell Church St for the 345. consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/camberwell-town-centre-public-realm-improvementsI would have thought moving the 42,68,N68 and 468 back to the current Abellio stand would have been a better option? I know it is not ideal for any routes but clearly the stops outside McDonalds cannot cope with the volume of buses using them. I can't really see any need to remove the right turn from Camberwell New Road into Denmark Hill.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 15, 2015 23:21:12 GMT
Southwark Council are consulting on bus stop changes and re-routing of certain bus routes at Camberwell Green to relieve congestion. In summary. Bus Stop Q outside McDonalds for buses towards Brixton or Herne Hill moves to the current bus changover for Abellio stand on Camberwell Green. Routes 35, 45 and 345 go straight along Denmark Hill to Coldharbour Lane. Route 185 will be re-routed towards Lewisham by turning left into Medlar Street, then right into Camberwell Road then line of route as the right turn from Camberwell New Road will be scrapped. Stop S driver changeover used by GAL drivers on Route 185 towards Victoria moves to Camberwell New Road. Stop P driver changeover used by GAL drivers on Route 185 towards Lewisham moves to Camberwell New Road. The main issue for me is the removal of Stop Q from Denmark Hill, this is where all three routes towards Brixton meet. If this proposal goes ahead, this will mean either using the new stop Q at Camberwell Green for the 35 and 45 or the stop in Camberwell Church St for the 345. consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/camberwell-town-centre-public-realm-improvementsI would have thought moving the 42,68,N68 and 468 back to the current Abellio stand would have been a better option? I know it is not ideal for any routes but clearly the stops outside McDonalds cannot cope with the volume of buses using them. I can't really see any need to remove the right turn from Camberwell New Road into Denmark Hill. The stops outside McDonalds can cope with the volume of buses using them. Even if we were to follow that reckoning, then all the Brixton Station stops should be removed because of the huge volume of buses that turn up together. This is just another junction scheme where the outcome will be worse than what was already there. In fact, the only scheme that actually seems sensible is the Fiveways one with the option of a new bridge over the A23. I can't wait for the Tulse Hill scheme.....not!
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Post by sid on Aug 16, 2015 9:42:54 GMT
I would have thought moving the 42,68,N68 and 468 back to the current Abellio stand would have been a better option? I know it is not ideal for any routes but clearly the stops outside McDonalds cannot cope with the volume of buses using them. I can't really see any need to remove the right turn from Camberwell New Road into Denmark Hill. The stops outside McDonalds can cope with the volume of buses using them. Even if we were to follow that reckoning, then all the Brixton Station stops should be removed because of the huge volume of buses that turn up together. This is just another junction scheme where the outcome will be worse than what was already there. In fact, the only scheme that actually seems sensible is the Fiveways one with the option of a new bridge over the A23. I can't wait for the Tulse Hill scheme.....not! That's not the impression I get with buses often unable to get onto the stop Another option would be to relocate the Brixton bound stop to the current 148 stand although obviously somewhere else would have to be found for the 148. I'll wait and see what is proposed for Tulse Hill but the current situation is far from ideal.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 16, 2015 10:24:27 GMT
The stops outside McDonalds can cope with the volume of buses using them. Even if we were to follow that reckoning, then all the Brixton Station stops should be removed because of the huge volume of buses that turn up together. This is just another junction scheme where the outcome will be worse than what was already there. In fact, the only scheme that actually seems sensible is the Fiveways one with the option of a new bridge over the A23. I can't wait for the Tulse Hill scheme.....not! That's not the impression I get with buses often unable to get onto the stop Another option would be to relocate the Brixton bound stop to the current 148 stand although obviously somewhere else would have to be found for the 148. I'll wait and see what is proposed for Tulse Hill but the current situation is far from ideal. There is nothing wrong with the junction in Tulse Hill. I've used this junction for years as a pedestrian and it works fine. They made the relevant changes years ago with the introduction of controlled signals at one entrance/exit and the contra flow bus lane.
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Post by sid on Aug 16, 2015 10:50:52 GMT
That's not the impression I get with buses often unable to get onto the stop Another option would be to relocate the Brixton bound stop to the current 148 stand although obviously somewhere else would have to be found for the 148. I'll wait and see what is proposed for Tulse Hill but the current situation is far from ideal. There is nothing wrong with the junction in Tulse Hill. I've used this junction for years as a pedestrian and it works fine. They made the relevant changes years ago with the introduction of controlled signals at one entrance/exit and the contra flow bus lane. That's your opinion but others think differently.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Aug 17, 2015 17:09:05 GMT
Those Camberwell Green bus stops outside McDonalds and Superdrug have a similar issue to the Elephant & Castle ones outside the shopping centre where buses try and pull in, then block the road up by either parking or trying to pull out.
While I don't agree with removing the interchange, leaving the bus stop by Superdrug will give more space to one group of buses.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 17, 2015 18:11:41 GMT
I think it should simply have only one bus stop in each direction which serves all the routes that pass there, similarly should be done with Brixton and Tooting Broadway.
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Post by sid on Aug 18, 2015 16:28:03 GMT
I think it should simply have only one bus stop in each direction which serves all the routes that pass there, similarly should be done with Brixton and Tooting Broadway. Is this a joke?
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