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Post by towerman on Nov 6, 2015 14:20:01 GMT
Provincial operators spare no expense with their ramps,no motorised ramps for them,they're either hand operated or in Stagecoach's 181** batch of Tridents they're railway type ramps carried inside the bus.
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Post by sid on Nov 7, 2015 13:48:28 GMT
Provincial operators spare no expense with their ramps,no motorised ramps for them,they're either hand operated or in Stagecoach's 181** batch of Tridents they're railway type ramps carried inside the bus. I don't know why we need motorized ramps in London, hand operated ones are far cheaper and far more reliable |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 7, 2015 14:00:05 GMT
Provincial operators spare no expense with their ramps,no motorised ramps for them,they're either hand operated or in Stagecoach's 181** batch of Tridents they're railway type ramps carried inside the bus. I don't know why we need motorized ramps in London, hand operated ones are far cheaper and far more reliable So your telling me that if you were the driver, you'd happily get out of your cab, even in the dodgiest parts of London, to operate a wheelchair ramp when you simply can just press a button from your cab instead. |
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Post by sid on Nov 7, 2015 14:23:23 GMT
I don't know why we need motorized ramps in London, hand operated ones are far cheaper and far more reliable So your telling me that if you were the driver, you'd happily get out of your cab, even in the dodgiest parts of London, to operate a wheelchair ramp when you simply can just press a button from your cab instead. That's what happens in the dodgiest parts of every other town and city and they carry cash |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 7, 2015 14:33:45 GMT
If manual ramps were to have been suggested in London (or if they were in the past suggested) I imagined the unions would have put their foot down on that.
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Post by sid on Nov 7, 2015 14:50:16 GMT
If manual ramps where to have been suggested in London (or if they were in the past suggested) I imagined the unions would have put their foot down on that. I really don't think the unions have got that much clout these days |
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Post by VPL630 on Nov 7, 2015 15:15:06 GMT
Because I guarantee at least one driver would get out of the cab to operate the ramp and then be locked out because he's left his T key in his jacket on the coat rack and the cab door has slammed shut, then you have a bus that can't go anywhere and more frustrated passengers
If you look at other countries most of them use motorised ramps on their buses
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Post by vjaska on Nov 7, 2015 15:41:18 GMT
So your telling me that if you were the driver, you'd happily get out of your cab, even in the dodgiest parts of London, to operate a wheelchair ramp when you simply can just press a button from your cab instead. That's what happens in the dodgiest parts of every other town and city and they carry cash So obviously, that means that their system is the best and has no flaws...... I'm guessing we should remove rear doors on London buses because apart from notable exceptions, everywhere in the UK does it! |
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Post by sid on Nov 7, 2015 16:59:25 GMT
That's what happens in the dodgiest parts of every other town and city and they carry cash So obviously, that means that their system is the best and has no flaws...... I'm guessing we should remove rear doors on London buses because apart from notable exceptions, everywhere in the UK does it! Well it is remarkable how these things seem to work perfectly well just about everywhere else in the UK but apparently not in London, just like LED displays. It was notable how single door SP's worked perfectly well on route 3 back in the 90's as well as various other Q routes including the 12 on Sundays. Go for the less extravagant option and it leaves more money to spend on more important things. |
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Post by Red Dragon on Nov 7, 2015 18:20:48 GMT
So obviously, that means that their system is the best and has no flaws...... I'm guessing we should remove rear doors on London buses because apart from notable exceptions, everywhere in the UK does it! Well it is remarkable how these things seem to work perfectly well just about everywhere else in the UK but apparently not in London, just like LED displays. It was notable how single door SP's worked perfectly well on route 3 back in the 90's as well as various other Q routes including the 12 on Sundays. Go for the less extravagant option and it leaves more money to spend on more important things. Try that on a peak W6. Chaos. As shown by the disruption caused when a short (single doored) bus escapes onto the route. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 7, 2015 18:28:27 GMT
So obviously, that means that their system is the best and has no flaws...... I'm guessing we should remove rear doors on London buses because apart from notable exceptions, everywhere in the UK does it! Well it is remarkable how these things seem to work perfectly well just about everywhere else in the UK but apparently not in London, just like LED displays. It was notable how single door SP's worked perfectly well on route 3 back in the 90's as well as various other Q routes including the 12 on Sundays. Go for the less extravagant option and it leaves more money to spend on more important things. Err, the single door SP's didn't work - it was a nightmare just trying get off one. Have you also tried using a MPD on a really busy route - it's horrible to get on and off so no, it doesn't work for a busy city like London, especially where it relies on quick dwell times and single door buses have slower dwell times. LED's are also not the be all and end all - they can easily break but as always, people like to gloss over that fact. |
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Post by sid on Nov 7, 2015 20:51:10 GMT
Well it is remarkable how these things seem to work perfectly well just about everywhere else in the UK but apparently not in London, just like LED displays. It was notable how single door SP's worked perfectly well on route 3 back in the 90's as well as various other Q routes including the 12 on Sundays. Go for the less extravagant option and it leaves more money to spend on more important things. Err, the single door SP's didn't work - it was a nightmare just trying get off one. Have you also tried using a MPD on a really busy route - it's horrible to get on and off so no, it doesn't work for a busy city like London, especially where it relies on quick dwell times and single door buses have slower dwell times. LED's are also not the be all and end all - they can easily break but as always, people like to gloss over that fact. From what I saw the single door SP's worked perfectly well, yes there are a few busy stops where a two door bus would be preferable but at the majority of stops single door buses are fine just as they are in other major cities. The benefits are lower costs and more lower deck seating. LED's are the way ahead, with it getting dark earlier now it is more noticeable than ever how many unlit blind boxes there are and dirty blinds that are impossible to see until the bus is almost on top of you. Even the new WHV's on the 119 and 202 have been seen with incorrect route numbers and a bit of paper in the windscreen with the correct number, the power blinds were out of date before they were introduced, almost every other bus operator has switched to LED's which are much clearer far more reliable and far cheaper operationally. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 7, 2015 21:26:04 GMT
Err, the single door SP's didn't work - it was a nightmare just trying get off one. Have you also tried using a MPD on a really busy route - it's horrible to get on and off so no, it doesn't work for a busy city like London, especially where it relies on quick dwell times and single door buses have slower dwell times. LED's are also not the be all and end all - they can easily break but as always, people like to gloss over that fact. From what I saw the single door SP's worked perfectly well, yes there are a few busy stops where a two door bus would be preferable but at the majority of stops single door buses are fine just as they are in other major cities. The benefits are lower costs and more lower deck seating. LED's are the way ahead, with it getting dark earlier now it is more noticeable than ever how many unlit blind boxes there are and dirty blinds that are impossible to see until the bus is almost on top of you. Even the new WHV's on the 119 and 202 have been seen with incorrect route numbers and a bit of paper in the windscreen with the correct number, the power blinds were out of date before they were introduced, almost every other bus operator has switched to LED's which are much clearer far more reliable and far cheaper operationally. And from what I saw and experienced, it was a nightmare to get off, especially at Brixton Station. Whilst you certainly be able to get more seats in, you also increase dwell times which I'm sure we all wouldn't want to happen. LED's break just like Powerblinds but you seem quite happy to ignore that fact. They also aren't always clear in every weather - I've seen examples in poor weather where the LED's fuse together. Not only that but the scrolling information on LED's is hardly a great thing - at least on a powerblind or manual blind, you can have via points listed that stay in one place. |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 7, 2015 21:57:11 GMT
Well it is remarkable how these things seem to work perfectly well just about everywhere else in the UK but apparently not in London, just like LED displays. It was notable how single door SP's worked perfectly well on route 3 back in the 90's as well as various other Q routes including the 12 on Sundays. Go for the less extravagant option and it leaves more money to spend on more important things. Err, the single door SP's didn't work - it was a nightmare just trying get off one. It never worked with the single doored LDPs on the 345 either, which was a silly thing to do anyway as the route got converted to single deckers at the same time. Could never understand why it of all routes was converted to such a degree when it serves such populous areas like Brixton, Peckham and Clapham. The fact that they didn't last all that long on route proved that the scheme was a failure*. * - replaced by dual doored long wheelbase examples, then got converted back to double deckers |
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Post by sid on Nov 7, 2015 22:25:03 GMT
From what I saw the single door SP's worked perfectly well, yes there are a few busy stops where a two door bus would be preferable but at the majority of stops single door buses are fine just as they are in other major cities. The benefits are lower costs and more lower deck seating. LED's are the way ahead, with it getting dark earlier now it is more noticeable than ever how many unlit blind boxes there are and dirty blinds that are impossible to see until the bus is almost on top of you. Even the new WHV's on the 119 and 202 have been seen with incorrect route numbers and a bit of paper in the windscreen with the correct number, the power blinds were out of date before they were introduced, almost every other bus operator has switched to LED's which are much clearer far more reliable and far cheaper operationally. And from what I saw and experienced, it was a nightmare to get off, especially at Brixton Station. Whilst you certainly be able to get more seats in, you also increase dwell times which I'm sure we all wouldn't want to happen. LED's break just like Powerblinds but you seem quite happy to ignore that fact. They also aren't always clear in every weather - I've seen examples in poor weather where the LED's fuse together. Not only that but the scrolling information on LED's is hardly a great thing - at least on a powerblind or manual blind, you can have via points listed that stay in one place. Just spend a few minutes at Marble Arch and see how clear the LED's on sightseeing buses, Oxford Tube and National Express coaches are compared to the outdated blinds which are often illegible. When buses move garage LED's can be reprogrammed in a few minutes unlike the slow and laborious task of changing blinds. |
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