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Post by snoggle on Aug 30, 2016 13:07:03 GMT
If anything an extra journey or 2 on the 2 and 185 would probably be more useful. Many people travelling between Vauxhall & Victoria use the Underground. So, I think the answer is to extend route 185 from Victoria to Paddington to cover the loss of route 436 in the area is the answer, with no change needed to route 36. The 185 is already very busy and a long route. Extending it is unlikely to work very well. A lot of people do use the tube but even with the enhanced frequency and better reliability on the Victoria Line Vauxhall is still *extremely* busy and overcrowded in the peaks. I strongly suspect (haven't seen it for myself) that plenty of people remain on buses to reach Victoria and north thereof. Furthermore people will swap between buses at Vauxhall given the network density and I'd not be shocked if some people off SWT trains also take the bus rather than suffer the crush of changing at Clapham Junction or the Victoria Line. By the time you've shuffled into the tube, waited for the 5th train to get on and then shuffled off at Victoria I doubt you've gained very much compared to getting a bus.
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Post by rmz19 on Aug 30, 2016 14:04:37 GMT
If anything an extra journey or 2 on the 2 and 185 would probably be more useful. Many people travelling between Vauxhall & Victoria use the Underground. So, I think the answer is to extend route 185 from Victoria to Paddington to cover the loss of route 436 in the area is the answer, with no change needed to route 36. Extending the 185 is out of the question. The 185 would be longer than the current 436 as the former diverges between Lewisham and Camberwell via Forest Hill, whereas the 436 is direct along the A202 and is already long enough as it is. The real answer is to leave everything the way it is, unfortunately we all know that won't happen.
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Post by sid on Aug 31, 2016 10:27:15 GMT
If anything an extra journey or 2 on the 2 and 185 would probably be more useful. Many people travelling between Vauxhall & Victoria use the Underground. So, I think the answer is to extend route 185 from Victoria to Paddington to cover the loss of route 436 in the area is the answer, with no change needed to route 36. In that case it would be simpler to reroute the 185 to Battersea and leave the 436 as it is.
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Post by Max B on Nov 8, 2016 19:57:11 GMT
Is the 452 still going to be extended to Vauxhall on November 19th? There's no mention of it on www.londonbusroutes.net/changes.htm, but there is mention of the extension of the 436 to Battersea Park.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 8, 2016 19:59:22 GMT
Is the 452 still going to be extended to Vauxhall on November 19th? There's no mention of it on www.londonbusroutes.net/changes.htm, but there is mention of the extension of the 436 to Battersea Park. The latest service changes document indicates that the 452 indeed is going to be extended on the 19th of November
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Post by M1104 on Nov 8, 2016 20:25:22 GMT
The latest service changes document indicates that the 452 indeed is going to be extended on the 19th of November A 152 driver also said the same.
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Post by Steve Macz on Nov 22, 2016 22:29:53 GMT
Does anyone know how the new 436 routing and 452 extension is fairing off for passengers. It's early days , but I'd like to know. As I used to use the old 436 route towards Lewisham from Victoria.
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Post by Nathan on Nov 22, 2016 23:43:46 GMT
Does anyone know how the new 436 routing and 452 extension is fairing off for passengers. It's early days , but I'd like to know. As I used to use the old 436 route towards Lewisham from Victoria. Yesterday (at around 11am) I took the 436 from home in an effort to get to Clapham Junction. Safe to say that the from the New Cross end the route is still just as busy as it normally is. Although when we reached New Cross Bus Garage I noticed people jumping off to catch a 36, probably to travel across Vauxhall Bridge. As we continued our journey from NX I noticed the bus became emptier. Even at Camberwell New Road, people waiting at the bus stop decided to catch the 36 bus behind us instead. By the time we got to Vauxhall, there was only 3 passengers on the bus, including an Abellio driver and a NX driver teaching the new route. It was just us three, and the driver of course, between Vauxhall and Battersea Park. Given the time of day, I can't really comment on whether the new extension is very useful. By the looks of it, not really. But of course we have to give it time (look at the 136 extension from a few years ago for example). What I will say is that the route should at least go to Clapham Junction. Or even extended across Chelsea Bridge then into Victoria? I think there's potential for either one of these. Personally I think the current terminus is a bit...random.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 23, 2016 0:11:45 GMT
Does anyone know how the new 436 routing and 452 extension is fairing off for passengers. It's early days , but I'd like to know. As I used to use the old 436 route towards Lewisham from Victoria. Yesterday (at around 11am) I took the 436 from home in an effort to get to Clapham Junction. Safe to say that the from the New Cross end the route is still just as busy as it normally is. Although when we reached New Cross Bus Garage I noticed people jumping off to catch a 36, probably to travel across Vauxhall Bridge. As we continued our journey from NX I noticed the bus became emptier. Even at Camberwell New Road, people waiting at the bus stop decided to catch the 36 bus behind us instead. By the time we got to Vauxhall, there was only 3 passengers on the bus, including an Abellio driver and a NX driver teaching the new route. It was just us three, and the driver of course, between Vauxhall and Battersea Park. Given the time of day, I can't really comment on whether the new extension is very useful. By the looks of it, not really. But of course we have to give it time (look at the 136 extension from a few years ago for example). What I will say is that the route should at least go to Clapham Junction. Or even extended across Chelsea Bridge then into Victoria? I think there's potential for either one of these. Personally I think the current terminus is a bit...random. Well I've yet to see anyone here think the diversion of the 436 was a good idea. There is no point at all in diverting towards Nine Elms and Battersea at present. The redevelopment in the area is years away from completion. There *may* be an argument to divert into the area come 2020 but not now. However TfL have administered the death knell for the north end of the route and people have to lump it with the 36. I can't see TfL extending the 436 anywhere from Battersea Park. I doubt there's any spare stand space at Clapham Junction and they're not going to run into Victoria having just abandoned serving that area.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 23, 2016 0:21:21 GMT
Yesterday (at around 11am) I took the 436 from home in an effort to get to Clapham Junction. Safe to say that the from the New Cross end the route is still just as busy as it normally is. Although when we reached New Cross Bus Garage I noticed people jumping off to catch a 36, probably to travel across Vauxhall Bridge. As we continued our journey from NX I noticed the bus became emptier. Even at Camberwell New Road, people waiting at the bus stop decided to catch the 36 bus behind us instead. By the time we got to Vauxhall, there was only 3 passengers on the bus, including an Abellio driver and a NX driver teaching the new route. It was just us three, and the driver of course, between Vauxhall and Battersea Park. Given the time of day, I can't really comment on whether the new extension is very useful. By the looks of it, not really. But of course we have to give it time (look at the 136 extension from a few years ago for example). What I will say is that the route should at least go to Clapham Junction. Or even extended across Chelsea Bridge then into Victoria? I think there's potential for either one of these. Personally I think the current terminus is a bit...random. Well I've yet to see anyone here think the diversion of the 436 was a good idea. There is no point at all in diverting towards Nine Elms and Battersea at present. The redevelopment in the area is years away from completion. There *may* be an argument to divert into the area come 2020 but not now. However TfL have administered the death knell for the north end of the route and people have to lump it with the 36. I can't see TfL extending the 436 anywhere from Battersea Park. I doubt there's any spare stand space at Clapham Junction and they're not going to run into Victoria having just abandoned serving that area. There has been spare stand space at Clapham Junction ever since the 239 was withdrawn - the Battersea Rise stand has space for another route. Even when the Nine Elms development is completed, I don't see the 436 being overly busy in its current form - unless it's timed to arrive before the 156 & 344 for Vauxhall bound passengers, I can't see much demand beyond their. I'm also amazed how many people have forgotten the impact the diverted 436 will have on the 2 as well as the 36.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 23, 2016 0:59:18 GMT
Well I've yet to see anyone here think the diversion of the 436 was a good idea. There is no point at all in diverting towards Nine Elms and Battersea at present. The redevelopment in the area is years away from completion. There *may* be an argument to divert into the area come 2020 but not now. However TfL have administered the death knell for the north end of the route and people have to lump it with the 36. I can't see TfL extending the 436 anywhere from Battersea Park. I doubt there's any spare stand space at Clapham Junction and they're not going to run into Victoria having just abandoned serving that area. There has been spare stand space at Clapham Junction ever since the 239 was withdrawn - the Battersea Rise stand has space for another route. Even when the Nine Elms development is completed, I don't see the 436 being overly busy in its current form - unless it's timed to arrive before the 156 & 344 for Vauxhall bound passengers, I can't see much demand beyond their. I'm also amazed how many people have forgotten the impact the diverted 436 will have on the 2 as well as the 36. If there is a lot of retail and entertainment facilities in the Battersea Power Station redevelopment then I expect it to be a big draw (like the Westfields are). The 436 will inevitably be diverted through the area to serve BPS at that point and will gain patronage then. I'm sure about that. I just don't see the point *now*. Ta for the info re stand space at CJ.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 23, 2016 1:24:03 GMT
There has been spare stand space at Clapham Junction ever since the 239 was withdrawn - the Battersea Rise stand has space for another route. Even when the Nine Elms development is completed, I don't see the 436 being overly busy in its current form - unless it's timed to arrive before the 156 & 344 for Vauxhall bound passengers, I can't see much demand beyond their. I'm also amazed how many people have forgotten the impact the diverted 436 will have on the 2 as well as the 36. Ta for the info re stand space at CJ. Your welcome
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Post by abc on Nov 23, 2016 8:50:32 GMT
What I have observed at Victoria during morning rush hours is packed 36s and busier 2s.
As for the Nine Elms corridor my impression has always been that if it were feasible for the 344 and 156 to not arrive together no extra buses would be needed.
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Post by sid on Nov 23, 2016 9:35:31 GMT
Does anyone know how the new 436 routing and 452 extension is fairing off for passengers. It's early days , but I'd like to know. As I used to use the old 436 route towards Lewisham from Victoria. The three 436's I've seen on the new section have been empty but obviously it's early days.
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Post by M1104 on Nov 23, 2016 12:54:09 GMT
What I have observed at Victoria during morning rush hours is packed 36s and busier 2s. As for the Nine Elms corridor my impression has always been that if it were feasible for the 344 and 156 to not arrive together no extra buses would be needed. What's really going to be needed once the NLE opens are bus services starting from Battersea Power Station area but going in other directions other than towards Nine Elms/Vauxhall.
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