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Post by snoggle on Dec 25, 2015 21:50:56 GMT
What I think could happen is it goes via Chaplin Road which is the H17s routing to Ealing Road before performing the right turn into Ealing Road. There is still a lot of things to be discussed so everything is subject to change. I'll pop Robert Munster an email to advise him to take down the routing of the 483 as, as far as we know it's going to serve Harrow Bus Station and Ealing Broadway only. One thing that is known is tfl would rather have both routes overlap each other at some stage which is the general practise when routes are split and given the 'magic' 4. Look at Routes 187/487, 260/460, 207/427 so I imagine the 483 will serve Ealing Road. I think the whole East Lane idea is just stupid and so do some people I know. From what I have been told it will have a headway of every 5 minutes from the Harrow end and 4 1/2 from Ealing. Using Chaplin Road gets round the problem of banned turns nearer Wembley Central. Doesn't make the 483 terribly convenient in Wembley itself. I would be genuinely surprised if TfL routed the 483 away from virtually all of Wembley town centre as well as Wembley Central station. I know it's within sort of walking distance but can't see many people walking from Chaplin Road to Wembley Central to catch a 483. They'll use the 182 for Harrow and the 83 for Alperton which kind of defeats the object if you want a sensible overlap. I'm also surprised that TfL would consider taking over a massive chunk of capacity across Ealing to the Hospital given the 207/427 load well anyway. Why put more pressure on them? LOTS say that the 483 certainly starts at Ealing Hospital with only the route across Wembley open for debate / consultation. I'm assuming not too much is open for debate because how have TfL managed to award a contract to a winning bidder? I doubt they've got priced options for >4 permutations of route given it's not just cost but also a view about achieveable reliability / performance levels.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Dec 27, 2015 19:27:15 GMT
It is interesting that route 483 will run from G, as this will be good use of space released from the loss of several E routes. Also, route 483 at ex-First base G will be an extended replacement of part of route 83, itself from ex-First base ON.
I am incidentally delighted that we shall now have a direct link from Ealing to Harrow! By way of a bit of history, my first London bus trip of this Millennium was to Ealing & Harrow, on 27.5.00.
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Post by Jack on Jan 6, 2016 17:11:30 GMT
83: Golders Green - Alperton 483: Harrow Bus Station - Northwick Park Hospital - North Wembley - East Lane - Wembley Hill Road - Wembley Stadium - then 83 LOR to Ealing Hospital N83: Golders Green - Ealing Hospital
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 6, 2016 17:37:28 GMT
83: Golders Green - Alperton 483: Harrow Bus Station - Northwick Park Hospital - North Wembley - East Lane - Wembley Hill Road - Wembley Stadium - then 83 LOR to Ealing Hospital N83: Golders Green - Ealing Hospital Hate to burst your bubble but the routing is still under consultation from Sudbury as mentioned a few pages back. The routing he has mentioned is the routing displayed on leaflets at bus stops.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 17:44:29 GMT
Hate to burst your bubble but the routing is still under consultation from Sudbury as mentioned a few pages back. The routing he has mentioned is the routing displayed on leaflets at bus stops. But of a private joke between myself and Jack . Post deleted to avoid confusion.
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Post by Jack on Jan 6, 2016 18:40:28 GMT
The routing he has mentioned is the routing displayed on leaflets at bus stops. But of a private joke between myself and Jack . Post deleted to avoid confusion. In other words, deleted because he made an F up! The consultation route diagram is at some stops, but the consultation is not live (despite it saying it is!)
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Post by shroudoffrost on Jan 6, 2016 19:01:30 GMT
Although its not the most direct link from Harrow to Ealing it will be welcomed by the people of North Wembley for sure. It will also be interesting to see Harrow Bus Station cope with the additional vehicles and footfall, immensely busy already.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 6, 2016 19:03:18 GMT
But of a private joke between myself and Jack . Post deleted to avoid confusion. In other words, deleted because he made an F up! The consultation route diagram is at some stops, but the consultation is not live (despite it saying it is!) Dearie me - can the left hand of TfL please find the right hand of TfL!?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 19:18:04 GMT
But of a private joke between myself and Jack . Post deleted to avoid confusion. In other words, deleted because he made an F up! The consultation route diagram is at some stops, but the consultation is not live (despite it saying it is!) Oh pee of you!
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Post by snoggle on Jan 11, 2016 11:42:50 GMT
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Post by iranair747 on Jan 13, 2016 22:49:05 GMT
Most useless consultation ever. Whats the point of consulting after you have set plans into motion to change it by tendering and awarding out the route already?
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Post by LX09FBJ on Jan 14, 2016 1:26:57 GMT
Most useless consultation ever. Whats the point of consulting after you have set plans into motion to change it by tendering and awarding out the route already? Maybe it's TfL approach to give the public a 'voice' in something that they actually don't have a voice in. Personally, I think the 83 should only be cut to Ealing Broadway and reduced in frequency slightly with the 483 being introduced anyway, also at a reduced frequency as the 83 would still serve Ealing town centre. Perhaps an extension of the 297 to Ealing Hospital might also be useful for linking Wembley to Ealing Hospital, particularly at night. I'm not sure which route is quicker between Golders Green and Ealing, think the 83 is a more direct route.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 14, 2016 2:25:01 GMT
Most useless consultation ever. Whats the point of consulting after you have set plans into motion to change it by tendering and awarding out the route already? Maybe it's TfL approach to give the public a 'voice' in something that they actually don't have a voice in. Personally, I think the 83 should only be cut to Ealing Broadway and reduced in frequency slightly with the 483 being introduced anyway, also at a reduced frequency as the 83 would still serve Ealing town centre. Perhaps an extension of the 297 to Ealing Hospital might also be useful for linking Wembley to Ealing Hospital, particularly at night. I'm not sure which route is quicker between Golders Green and Ealing, think the 83 is a more direct route. Personally, my only issue with the change is the fact the 112 will continue to struggle on regardless of whether the 83 or 483 will run through Hanger Lane down to Ealing. Personally, I'd extend the 79 down to Ealing Broadway and run the 483 to Harrow via the 487 instead which gives that route a much needed helping hand.
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Post by rmz19 on Jan 14, 2016 11:34:39 GMT
Maybe it's TfL approach to give the public a 'voice' in something that they actually don't have a voice in. Personally, I think the 83 should only be cut to Ealing Broadway and reduced in frequency slightly with the 483 being introduced anyway, also at a reduced frequency as the 83 would still serve Ealing town centre. Perhaps an extension of the 297 to Ealing Hospital might also be useful for linking Wembley to Ealing Hospital, particularly at night. I'm not sure which route is quicker between Golders Green and Ealing, think the 83 is a more direct route. Personally, my only issue with the change is the fact the 112 will continue to struggle on regardless of whether the 83 or 483 will run through Hanger Lane down to Ealing. Personally, I'd extend the 79 down to Ealing Broadway and run the 483 to Harrow via the 487 instead which gives that route a much needed helping hand. Also regarding the 487, I would extend the 187 from CMH to Alperton via the 487 to support it between Harlesden and Alperton. I would also run the 187 directly via Acton Lane instead of serving Asda, North Acton Road and Minerva Road/Standard Road to make the route more direct.
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Post by iranair747 on Jan 26, 2016 15:22:45 GMT
Well, a response has been submitted and as expected it is generic. Although I want them to expand further on the answer to question one regarding the tendering of the route. What is the 'official' way to say that the route has already been tendered and awarded? I want them to justify how they can tender and award before consulting. Does the launch of the route depend on the consultation? If so it seems this system allows for TfL to submit whatever they want; it should be consulted on before being tendered and awarded. www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/changes_to_route_83
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