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Post by ben on Mar 14, 2018 22:59:06 GMT
Very worrying. Is there any meaningful data about how long it might be expected to take to recover to pre closure levels?
The second closure has very unhelpfully pushed any recovery back time-wise.
I did a journey on it (first time!) a month ago end to end evening peak. It was crowded, but not as crowded as the NLL. I don't know how that compares to other peoples' experiences before the blockades?
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Post by snoggle on Mar 15, 2018 0:44:35 GMT
Very worrying. Is there any meaningful data about how long it might be expected to take to recover to pre closure levels? The second closure has very unhelpfully pushed any recovery back time-wise. I did a journey on it (first time!) a month ago end to end evening peak. It was crowded, but not as crowded as the NLL. I don't know how that compares to other peoples' experiences before the blockades? I think past experience with the NLL blockades (there were several) was that patronage bounced back very quickly. However they were different times - the economy was far more bouyant, Overground ridership was an upward trend overall off the back of the general improvements TfL were making and there was still spare capacity to be had. Nowadays the economy is tanking, there are competing technologies and services, ridership has plateaued on the Overground, capacity is stretched on some parts of the Overground and people are less tolerant of delays than in the past. I also think Arriva's current operation is worse than LOROL. I was astonished to see a class 378 in service today with an entire car plastered in graffiti. I thought that was prohibited by TfL. On the GOBLIN the worst time is 1715 - 1830 heading east from Blackhorse Road. Trains were packed to capacity with it being difficult to get the doors closed. I confess I have not been back to double check since it reopened.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 17:51:44 GMT
A Class 710 (710258) has been shipped to Bombardier at Valenciennes in France. Keeping an eye for any photos of it on SNCF tracks... Here's a photo of it on a low loader: http://instagr.am/p/Bev4B0WgDq1
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Post by snoggle on Mar 20, 2018 17:56:44 GMT
A Class 710 (710258) has been shipped to Bombardier at Valenciennes in France. Keeping an eye for any photos of it on SNCF tracks... Here's it on a low loader. I rather think this has already been reported several posts ago on page 11 of this overall thread.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 8:20:27 GMT
Very worrying. Is there any meaningful data about how long it might be expected to take to recover to pre closure levels? The second closure has very unhelpfully pushed any recovery back time-wise. I did a journey on it (first time!) a month ago end to end evening peak. It was crowded, but not as crowded as the NLL. I don't know how that compares to other peoples' experiences before the blockades? I think past experience with the NLL blockades (there were several) was that patronage bounced back very quickly. However they were different times - the economy was far more bouyant, Overground ridership was an upward trend overall off the back of the general improvements TfL were making and there was still spare capacity to be had. Nowadays the economy is tanking, there are competing technologies and services, ridership has plateaued on the Overground, capacity is stretched on some parts of the Overground and people are less tolerant of delays than in the past. I also think Arriva's current operation is worse than LOROL. I was astonished to see a class 378 in service today with an entire car plastered in graffiti. I thought that was prohibited by TfL. On the GOBLIN the worst time is 1715 - 1830 heading east from Blackhorse Road. Trains were packed to capacity with it being difficult to get the doors closed. I confess I have not been back to double check since it reopened. On graffiti, anecdotal I know but I have noticed SE trains , especially the class 465’s, covered in it recently. Looks like it could be back on the rise again after a reduction over the past few years. BTP used to have a dedicated unit on it, not sure if they still do. It’s one of those squads that are vulnerable to cut backs along with everything else in the public sector.
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Post by sid on Mar 26, 2018 8:31:28 GMT
I think past experience with the NLL blockades (there were several) was that patronage bounced back very quickly. However they were different times - the economy was far more bouyant, Overground ridership was an upward trend overall off the back of the general improvements TfL were making and there was still spare capacity to be had. Nowadays the economy is tanking, there are competing technologies and services, ridership has plateaued on the Overground, capacity is stretched on some parts of the Overground and people are less tolerant of delays than in the past. I also think Arriva's current operation is worse than LOROL. I was astonished to see a class 378 in service today with an entire car plastered in graffiti. I thought that was prohibited by TfL. On the GOBLIN the worst time is 1715 - 1830 heading east from Blackhorse Road. Trains were packed to capacity with it being difficult to get the doors closed. I confess I have not been back to double check since it reopened. On graffiti, anecdotal I know but I have noticed SE trains , especially the class 465’s, covered in it recently. Looks like it could be back on the rise again after a reduction over the past few years. BTP used to have a dedicated unit on it, not sure if they still do. It’s one of those squads that are vulnerable to cut backs along with everything else in the public sector. I've also noticed an increase on southeastern, I saw a 465 yesterday covered externally. Hopefully it's soon removed so those responsible don't get the satisfaction of seeing their handy work.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 28, 2018 12:03:42 GMT
Decided to use the Overground home yesterday as I ended up in Euston and the Victoria Line was right there, upon arrival at Blackhorse Road the platform was packed, the train that arrived a few minutes later was also full to the rafters but thankfully a large handful of people got off, although more people needed to get on than got off and it wasn't long until you had the whole train filled with people and people shouting through the carriage Even ended up with a member of LO staff at most stations needing to push people into the train so that doors could close. Hopefully this is a sign that patronage is starting to pick up on the line again seeing as there aren't anymore long term closures expected on the line.
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Post by sid on Apr 4, 2018 21:00:48 GMT
I think past experience with the NLL blockades (there were several) was that patronage bounced back very quickly. However they were different times - the economy was far more bouyant, Overground ridership was an upward trend overall off the back of the general improvements TfL were making and there was still spare capacity to be had. Nowadays the economy is tanking, there are competing technologies and services, ridership has plateaued on the Overground, capacity is stretched on some parts of the Overground and people are less tolerant of delays than in the past. I also think Arriva's current operation is worse than LOROL. I was astonished to see a class 378 in service today with an entire car plastered in graffiti. I thought that was prohibited by TfL. On the GOBLIN the worst time is 1715 - 1830 heading east from Blackhorse Road. Trains were packed to capacity with it being difficult to get the doors closed. I confess I have not been back to double check since it reopened. On graffiti, anecdotal I know but I have noticed SE trains , especially the class 465’s, covered in it recently. Looks like it could be back on the rise again after a reduction over the past few years. BTP used to have a dedicated unit on it, not sure if they still do. It’s one of those squads that are vulnerable to cut backs along with everything else in the public sector. A case in point www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/27365495838/
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Post by vjaska on Apr 4, 2018 21:18:02 GMT
I think past experience with the NLL blockades (there were several) was that patronage bounced back very quickly. However they were different times - the economy was far more bouyant, Overground ridership was an upward trend overall off the back of the general improvements TfL were making and there was still spare capacity to be had. Nowadays the economy is tanking, there are competing technologies and services, ridership has plateaued on the Overground, capacity is stretched on some parts of the Overground and people are less tolerant of delays than in the past. I also think Arriva's current operation is worse than LOROL. I was astonished to see a class 378 in service today with an entire car plastered in graffiti. I thought that was prohibited by TfL. On the GOBLIN the worst time is 1715 - 1830 heading east from Blackhorse Road. Trains were packed to capacity with it being difficult to get the doors closed. I confess I have not been back to double check since it reopened. On graffiti, anecdotal I know but I have noticed SE trains , especially the class 465’s, covered in it recently. Looks like it could be back on the rise again after a reduction over the past few years. BTP used to have a dedicated unit on it, not sure if they still do. It’s one of those squads that are vulnerable to cut backs along with everything else in the public sector. The train I had on Monday from Brixton to Bromley South had been targeted with an number of affected carriages.
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Post by galwhv69 on Apr 4, 2018 21:23:26 GMT
On graffiti, anecdotal I know but I have noticed SE trains , especially the class 465’s, covered in it recently. Looks like it could be back on the rise again after a reduction over the past few years. BTP used to have a dedicated unit on it, not sure if they still do. It’s one of those squads that are vulnerable to cut backs along with everything else in the public sector. A case in point www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/27365495838/That was worse than the train I got from W Dulwich To Sydenham Hill last Monday which I thought was pretty bad.(Yes,I can not be bothered taking a 20 minute walk along the footpath:P)
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 8, 2018 12:58:21 GMT
I imagine all this has no doubt delayed the entry of the 710s into passenger service on the Goblin, does anyone know what the new timeframe for entry to service of the trains are?
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Post by snoggle on Apr 8, 2018 18:22:06 GMT
I imagine all this has no doubt delayed the entry of the 710s into passenger service on the Goblin, does anyone know what the new timeframe for entry to service of the trains are? The line user group posted an update (see quote below) a few weeks ago that said that Network Rail were expecting sign off of the electification by the ORR imminently. Given Crouch Hill's bridge is being raised this weekend that should get the line into a fit state with compliant clearances and no waivers. Once the wires are signed off then testing can begin. Apparently 6 class 710s are fully built at Derby and 1 is in France for testing (as per above) and 1 is at Old Dalby alongside the plethora of Class 345s that were under test there. The rather nebulous "Summer" deadline for a fully electrified service remains valid. If the class 710s under test actually pass the required tests for type approval I'd expect TfL and Arriva to move pretty quickly to get the trains down to London and under test. Given the train in France got there late Feb we are probably looking at May before any of them run under power in London. With a wing and a prayer we might see them in passenger service very late May or in early June (my guesses there - no facts on those later dates). - GOBLIN user group.
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Post by Tangy on Apr 13, 2018 20:39:38 GMT
Angel Trains has already signed a lease deal for the GOBLIN 172s with West Midlands Trains for the new Nuneaton- Coventry- Leamington Spa route from the December timetable change.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 13, 2018 10:15:36 GMT
SHOCK HORROR - a new train for the GOBLIN is on its way to London!! There are comments on District Dave about an imminent press launch at Willesden Junction - possibly Thursday.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 16, 2018 19:56:51 GMT
The ORR have now signed off the electrified railway on the Barking - Gospel Oak line meaning electrified workings can now commence. (source - tweet from Ian Prosser of ORR) Now we just need the class 710s to be similarly signed off.
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