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Post by snoggle on May 13, 2019 9:06:58 GMT
TfL website status page for Overground says the last train of the day is cancelled everyday this week Doesn’t mention engineering work, so wonder what this is about, perhaps some test runs instead The last train of the day off Gospel Oak (at 2325) was been cancelled for *weeks*. It's a disgrace it's even shown on the timetable given how little it has run. If TfL / Arriva have no intention / are unable to run it then change the timetable instead of deceiving people. Nothing to do with testing AFAIK - the amount of night runs on the GOBLIN has fluctuated hugely.
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Post by redbus on May 13, 2019 13:56:44 GMT
TfL website status page for Overground says the last train of the day is cancelled everyday this week Doesn’t mention engineering work, so wonder what this is about, perhaps some test runs instead The last train of the day off Gospel Oak (at 2325) was been cancelled for *weeks*. It's a disgrace it's even shown on the timetable given how little it has run. If TfL / Arriva have no intention / are unable to run it then change the timetable instead of deceiving people. Nothing to do with testing AFAIK - the amount of night runs on the GOBLIN has fluctuated hugely. So what is the problem in running this train?
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Post by snoggle on May 13, 2019 14:01:16 GMT
The last train of the day off Gospel Oak (at 2325) was been cancelled for *weeks*. It's a disgrace it's even shown on the timetable given how little it has run. If TfL / Arriva have no intention / are unable to run it then change the timetable instead of deceiving people. Nothing to do with testing AFAIK - the amount of night runs on the GOBLIN has fluctuated hugely. So what is the problem in running this train? No idea - I've never seen an explanation. I find it pathetic - if they don't / can't run it then change the timetable so it is not there. It just misleads people as to journey possibilities at a time of day when options are few and far between given the NLL service starts to thin down quite rapidly after 2300. There are also few bus alternatives and there is no bus replacement either. Cancelling the last service of the day is supposed to be a "never do" thing on public transport.
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Post by MoEnviro on May 13, 2019 14:08:56 GMT
So what is the problem in running this train? No idea - I've never seen an explanation. I find it pathetic - if they don't / can't run it then change the timetable so it is not there. It just misleads people as to journey possibilities at a time of day when options are few and far between given the NLL service starts to thin down quite rapidly after 2300. There are also few bus alternatives and there is no bus replacement either. Cancelling the last service of the day is supposed to be a "never do" thing on public transport. Isn’t it so the unit can get back to Willesden for maintenance, I assume it would previously have finished at Barking and stabled in East Ham.
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Post by snoggle on May 13, 2019 14:58:17 GMT
No idea - I've never seen an explanation. I find it pathetic - if they don't / can't run it then change the timetable so it is not there. It just misleads people as to journey possibilities at a time of day when options are few and far between given the NLL service starts to thin down quite rapidly after 2300. There are also few bus alternatives and there is no bus replacement either. Cancelling the last service of the day is supposed to be a "never do" thing on public transport. Isn’t it so the unit can get back to Willesden for maintenance, I assume it would previously have finished at Barking and stabled in East Ham. Possible but if the units need the maintenance don't advertise a last train and then perpetually cancel it. Change the timetable to give passengers clarity. This is not difficult stuff and it shows a real lack of understanding of passengers needing to travel late on night. Most people will not routinely check the "status page" to see if a specific train is cancelled. They will turn up to find themselves stranded with the last train gone 37 minutes earlier. That's a big gap for a London suburban service.
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Post by busaholic on May 13, 2019 20:37:10 GMT
Isn’t it so the unit can get back to Willesden for maintenance, I assume it would previously have finished at Barking and stabled in East Ham. Possible but if the units need the maintenance don't advertise a last train and then perpetually cancel it. Change the timetable to give passengers clarity. This is not difficult stuff and it shows a real lack of understanding of passengers needing to travel late on night. Most people will not routinely check the "status page" to see if a specific train is cancelled. They will turn up to find themselves stranded with the last train gone 37 minutes earlier. That's a big gap for a London suburban service. Disgraceful is an overused term, but I genuinely think this is, from what you say. There is no excuse: interestingly, if this happened on a bus service, outside London at any rate, it would incur Traffic Commissioner's action and wrath.
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Post by snoggle on May 13, 2019 21:53:56 GMT
Disgraceful is an overused term, but I genuinely think this is, from what you say. There is no excuse: interestingly, if this happened on a bus service, outside London at any rate, it would incur Traffic Commissioner's action and wrath. Well I've been told it's something to do with eng works in the Willesden area. If they let the train run to Barking and run empty back to Willesden it would be too late to reach the depot. I do not know if that is correct or not. Even if that is correct then given the long period over which the 2325 has not operated then either the timetable should have been amended *or* a full rail replacement bus from G Oak to Barking should be provided. It's about clarity for passengers even though I recognise the operational and engineering issues that apply here.
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Post by brutxi on May 15, 2019 23:01:15 GMT
Piling and groundwork have started at the site for Barking Riverside station. Would have thought works would have started earlier. Let’s see if the 2021 deadline sticks...
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Post by snoggle on May 16, 2019 17:16:56 GMT
Piling and groundwork have started at the site for Barking Riverside station. Would have thought works would have started earlier. Let’s see if the 2021 deadline sticks... I doubt it will stick. I expect it to slip because there have been so many delays in the procurement process. I also don't expect it to come in on budget either because there has been so much downward pressure on scope and costs that I think any contractor will inevitably encounter problems and the claims will come rolling in. I don't want it to slip but TfL's records on projects are not good of late. There is also the ominous risk of things like the project assurance process and regulatory sign off not being achieved in time - even on relatively simple schemes. Meridian Water station has fallen foul of that at the last minute.
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Post by snoggle on May 16, 2019 17:19:33 GMT
One small GOBLIN testing development. An extra train was in service this morning shuttling back and forth between Barking and Gospel Oak before returning to Willesden early afternoon. So a further little step up towards replicating the old service level of 4 trains an hour.
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Post by redbus on May 16, 2019 19:30:42 GMT
One small GOBLIN testing development. An extra train was in service this morning shuttling back and forth between Barking and Gospel Oak before returning to Willesden early afternoon. So a further little step up towards replicating the old service level of 4 trains an hour. Trouble is it forgot to pick up the passengers waiting at the stations !!!!
Sorry I could not resist that one.
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Post by snoggle on May 16, 2019 19:32:42 GMT
One small GOBLIN testing development. An extra train was in service this morning shuttling back and forth between Barking and Gospel Oak before returning to Willesden early afternoon. So a further little step up towards replicating the old service level of 4 trains an hour. Trouble is it forgot to pick up the passengers waiting at the stations !!!!
Sorry I could not resist that one.
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Post by snoggle on May 16, 2019 20:56:49 GMT
A direct quote from Railforums UK. Poster is someone called "Greatkingrat".
Looks interesting and fits in with the slow but steady build up of trains on test during the day. Obviously we must wait to see what actually happens!!
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 16, 2019 22:24:27 GMT
A direct quote from Railforums UK. Poster is someone called "Greatkingrat". Looks interesting and fits in with the slow but steady build up of trains on test during the day. Obviously we must wait to see what actually happens!! Looks like the plan is for a Tuesday start www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L61959/2019/05/28/advancedFingers Crossed all goes well and the Goblin finally gets a sane frequency back
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Post by richard on May 16, 2019 22:28:23 GMT
A direct quote from Railforums UK. Poster is someone called "Greatkingrat". Looks interesting and fits in with the slow but steady build up of trains on test during the day. Obviously we must wait to see what actually happens!! Looks like the plan is for a Tuesday start www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L61959/2019/05/28/advancedFingers Crossed all goes well and the Goblin finally gets a sane frequency back Hopfully it gose to plan shame it didn't happen the next day on my birthday 😉😁
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