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Post by vjaska on Oct 31, 2016 23:32:28 GMT
The one route I could see some operators being interested in, admittedly only judged on my two visits to Abellio Surrey land (second journey to be written up sometime this week), is the 458 - seems to generate a decent amount of patronage but of course, it all depends if an operator can operate it at the cost of it's contract and whether Surrey is willing to negotiate on that fact.
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Post by TNL33036 on Nov 1, 2016 11:12:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 15:48:22 GMT
Not long to go now, no news yet as to replacements. I'm glad I don't rely on any of these routes !
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Post by paulsw2 on Nov 16, 2016 3:31:41 GMT
I live in Kent now. And I've often wondered what it is that makes Kent citizens happy to board coaches to / from Central London rather than the train. Surrey have no commuter coach routes that I know of. Why is that ? I'm presuming its social economic issues at play. Southeastern Railway is the most probable reason
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Post by snowman on Nov 16, 2016 7:03:00 GMT
I live in Kent now. And I've often wondered what it is that makes Kent citizens happy to board coaches to / from Central London rather than the train. Surrey have no commuter coach routes that I know of. Why is that ? I'm presuming its social economic issues at play. Southeastern Railway is the most probable reason Bit of history, the A2 was greatly improved back in 1980s, the coaches passed the Canary Wharf area which was rather devoid of transport in early 1990s. South Eastern rail wasn't the greatest if you lived in Rainham and Medway towns with its 4VEP units (built 1967-74). Coach was cheaper, although slower. As for Surrey, have you ever seen peak hour traffic on A3 or M3 and it's continuation the A316. The fast bits end further out. There is a lot more focus on fast trains running non stop from Woking or further out. A train from Farnborough takes about 40 minutes, it would taken hour longer by road in rush hour so no-one is going to choose a coach. Similarly in Sussex, ever since the M23 construction was cancelled junction 1-7 there is no quick roads.
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Post by snowman on Nov 16, 2016 10:06:32 GMT
The current London LSP is showing cancellation of routes 446, 458, 513, 514, 515, 555 from 31 Dec. Consultations are closed and new LSP (due Friday 18th) should advise if cancellations were approved. Appears to be no applications for LSP from any replacement Operator.
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Post by twobellstogo on Nov 19, 2016 14:02:27 GMT
The current London LSP is showing cancellation of routes 446, 458, 513, 514, 515, 555 from 31 Dec. Consultations are closed and new LSP (due Friday 18th) should advise if cancellations were approved. Appears to be no applications for LSP from any replacement Operator. With the usual caveats of 'this is what I've heard in the grapevine', it is not looking good that any of the work Abellio is giving up will have any meaningful sort of replacement 😞
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Post by stubag on Nov 19, 2016 14:38:44 GMT
There are meetings and proposals for replacement services from a new operator to the local area. However it's all quite confidential at the moment...and Ive been told in the strictest of confidence. More to be revealed in the coming week.....
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Post by snoggle on Nov 19, 2016 19:07:49 GMT
The current London LSP is showing cancellation of routes 446, 458, 513, 514, 515, 555 from 31 Dec. Consultations are closed and new LSP (due Friday 18th) should advise if cancellations were approved. Appears to be no applications for LSP from any replacement Operator. With the usual caveats of 'this is what I've heard in the grapevine', it is not looking good that any of the work Abellio is giving up will have any meaningful sort of replacement 😞 In the latest TLB there is a remark that the 461 will still run at reduced freqs and the 441 is also having reduced freqs. Beyond that nothing. I wouldn't like to be an airport employee who's rostered over New Year and uses Abellio's (soon non) services.
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Post by M1199 on Nov 19, 2016 19:44:49 GMT
I'm not gonna pretend I know the in's and out's of this, as I don't, but if Abellio are looking at cutting costs, I can't see why they're continuing with the 441. Whenever I see one, they're carrying nothing more than fresh air! Unless it's very well used between Staines and Englefield Green. The 555 on the otherhand, always seems to carry a good/reasonable load. This new operator to the area that's been mentioned, it'd be good if it were Metroline running out of HZ or UX!
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Post by snoggle on Nov 19, 2016 21:01:46 GMT
I'm not gonna pretend I know the in's and out's of this, as I don't, but if Abellio are looking at cutting costs, I can't see why they're continuing with the 441. Whenever I see one, they're carrying nothing more than fresh air! Unless it's very well used between Staines and Englefield Green. The 555 on the otherhand, always seems to carry a good/reasonable load. This new operator to the area that's been mentioned, it'd be good if it were Metroline running out of HZ or UX! Well there are two options re replacement services - assuming there are some! 1. SCC tender a bare minimum service level and it's run by el cheapo, bargain basement operators. 2. A large operator of some standing is prepared to take some level of commercial risk but with SCC funding in support. Those big operators can only really be First, Metroline or RATP. Whether any of them have enough money to burn for at least a year to get something established that might keep / generate some patronage is a debate we've had before. The other possibility is no replacement service whatsoever. I wonder if SCC are "brave" enough to let that happen. The really depressing aspect to a lot of this is all the fancy blurb from Heathrow Airport about how they're going to encourage employees to use public transport to reduce car use and how wonderful future bus links to the airport are going to be. Of course the blurb was written two years and upcoming events will leave a huge gap in public transport access to the airport from the South West.
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Post by tony4387 on Nov 20, 2016 0:08:24 GMT
I wonder if Sullivan buses could be interested in running some services
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Post by vjaska on Nov 20, 2016 4:07:51 GMT
I'm not gonna pretend I know the in's and out's of this, as I don't, but if Abellio are looking at cutting costs, I can't see why they're continuing with the 441. Whenever I see one, they're carrying nothing more than fresh air! Unless it's very well used between Staines and Englefield Green. The 555 on the otherhand, always seems to carry a good/reasonable load. This new operator to the area that's been mentioned, it'd be good if it were Metroline running out of HZ or UX! On my 2 all day Abellio Surrey journeys, the 441 was used quite well between Staines & Englefield Green. The 458 & 555 were also used quite well - on the 458, I had two packed out journeys!
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Post by twobellstogo on Nov 20, 2016 9:47:43 GMT
I wonder if Sullivan buses could be interested in running some services Stranger things have happened, but I can't see it, especially with Sullivan having done so well recently in picking up TfL work in North London.
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Post by tony4387 on Nov 20, 2016 10:18:56 GMT
They already have a base at Thorpe park where they run the Thorpe park express from
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