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Post by moz on Dec 4, 2018 20:47:47 GMT
Another new bus vid - this time it's boring old Titans around Bexleyheath. (Hides behind sofa)
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Post by moz on Oct 6, 2018 5:32:33 GMT
Between October 1986 and August 1988 route 12 had a schoolday journey bifurcated at Penge via Route 227 to Beckenham Junction Station Localet You learn something new every day! From which direction at Penge? Could this possibly be the ONLY scheduled Routemaster working into Beckenham Junction ever, too? It was Peckham Garage working that started from Peckham, followed the 12 to Penge High Street and then the 227 to Beckenham Junction. It then ran light from Beckenham back to Penge. Moz
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Post by moz on Oct 5, 2018 2:45:06 GMT
Until 1992, the 196 had peak extensions to Islington from it's usual terminus at Oval so it was possible to do a Norwood Junction to Islington journey in one bus - the peak journeys was removed and it was cut back to Brixton as well until 2005 when it was extended in place of the 322 to Elephant & Castle. The 196 peak extensions were from Brixton to Kennington Park, Post Office. There were three early AM Islington journeys introduced to replace the old 172 and these lasted until about '92-ish when they were absorbed into a three journey early AM route 3B from Herne Hill to Angel. Therefore it was possible to travel along Rosebery Avenue on a Cityrama DMS or a Chelsham garage Atlantean. Moz
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Post by moz on Oct 3, 2018 3:04:11 GMT
Going back a good few years, some blindsets were printed with destinations ready for proposed extensions. Three I can think of are NX RM/Ls with 'Kensal Rise' for the 36, Q RM/Ls with 'Norbury Station' for the 159 and KX RM/Ls with 'Notting Hill Gate' for the post-OPO extention of the 390.
Moz
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Post by moz on Sept 18, 2018 4:20:12 GMT
Oh 1980s Night Buses were something else. Only did one night riding on them with friends but still a couple of vivid memories of that night. Being a N2 (I think) at Brixton heading south to somewhere - Crystal Palace possibly. Oh and being at Friern Barnet at eek o'clock in the morning wondering if the bus back to town had gone or not - only hourly back then. Finally getting kicked off a N89 at somewhere like Hanwell and getting a 207 to Uxbridge where we had breakfast in the cafe in the tube station. Sadly I was too young but the one I would of like to have done was the N81 from Trafalgar Square to Gillingham with a T. Also, the old N109 when journeys were split between New Addington & Coulsdon again with a T and the N route that ran from Kingston to somewhere up North West London sounded like fun as well. The Kingston route was the N92, It didn't last long but a definite 'must ride' at the time. There was a single journey that started from Victoria via T Sq out to Kingston that then returned to Potters Bar. Seemed weird to be riding round South West London in a Scania! I believe the remainder of the Kingston journeys were run from HT with Ms. Moz
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Post by moz on Sept 17, 2018 5:40:23 GMT
The N59 was a good laugh from West Dulwich to Stanmore while it lasted, definitely tightly timed and those Metros got no sympathy.
I also heard about (but never saw) garage runs on the 70 from Victoria to NX via the 36.
Moz
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Post by moz on Sept 10, 2018 14:58:21 GMT
But Hopper fare! (That's my go-to response now) Moz Well yes except I didn't comment on the links I commented on capacity. What are people supposed to do? Change buses 5 times to make a journey they can now do on one bus? As if it that would work in somewhere like Brixton or Camberwell / Walworth. If you combine your ideas with what TfL are suggesting you have no link from Walworth to the Holborn area and none to the main West End arteries. The 45 and 171 are being curtailed by TfL and your ideas would leave the 148 and 176 as the only routes beyond Elephant and Castle from the Walworth Road. That strikes me as mad. It's tongue in cheek, but could still be a reality considering some of the other changes TfL are proposing. I do wonder if they're trying to force people onto the Bakerloo Line at Elephant as I think it's the only line with available capacity in rush hours. Moz
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Post by moz on Sept 9, 2018 23:35:37 GMT
Well, assuming the proposed cuts go ahead, I wouldn't be surprised if we see something like this next: Walworth Road. 12 Rerouted between Peckham and Elephant via 343. Walworth Road - Rye Lane link already covered by revised 171. 68 Withdrawn. Already fully duplicated. 136 Withdrawn Elephant - Peckham. Covered by 12. 171 Rerouted between Peckham and New Cross via 343. 343 Withdrawn. Brixton Road/Hill. 45 Withdrawn. See 333. 59 Frequency reduced to 333 levels. Rerouted between Brixton and Kennington via 333. 333 Withdrawn Brixton - Elephant and instead extended via 45 to Camberwell Green. My instincts say the the Walworth Road stuff won't work. That's taking out a LOT of capacity fron routes that are not exactly underused and a corridor that is immensely busy. I also can't see the residents of North Peckham being exactly delighted with just route 12 and I also wonder if NB4Ls can get through the route. IIRC there are a few tightish turns on that stretch. Unless usage of the 59 has dropped like a stone recently I can't see it coping with such a frequency drop. It was not that long ago that TfL were still adding peak jnys to the 59 to try to cope with the demand. I guess one small upside would be that part of Clapham Road gains a bus into zone 1. But Hopper fare! (That's my go-to response now) Moz
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Post by moz on Sept 9, 2018 22:58:21 GMT
Well, assuming the proposed cuts go ahead, I wouldn't be surprised if we see something like this next:
Walworth Road.
12 Rerouted between Peckham and Elephant via 343. Walworth Road - Rye Lane link already covered by revised 171. 68 Withdrawn. Already fully duplicated. 136 Withdrawn Elephant - Peckham. Covered by 12. 171 Rerouted between Peckham and New Cross via 343. 343 Withdrawn.
Brixton Road/Hill.
45 Withdrawn. See 333. 59 Frequency reduced to 333 levels. Rerouted between Brixton and Kennington via 333. 333 Withdrawn Brixton - Elephant and instead extended via 45 to Camberwell Green.
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Post by moz on Sept 9, 2018 22:09:52 GMT
I'm curious to see what TfL have in store for inner south London. I may have a go at the Brixton/Walworth Road reductions...
Moz
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Post by moz on Aug 23, 2018 2:10:04 GMT
Looks a lot like London is going through what Budapest did about a decade or more ago. Remove overlaps, cut routes and force people to change. This happened not long after most of the top brass (mainly dyed in the wool transport people) were replaced by government sympathetic "Yes folk" and Graduate managers. Thankfully, it's turned a corner and now new, properly useful links are being either created or recreated.
Can't wait to see what TfL have up their sleeves for Walworth Road and Brixton Hill...
Moz
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Post by moz on Aug 17, 2018 2:01:24 GMT
The 311 idea is absolutely mental. Craziest idea I’ve seen in a long, long time. I actually think splitting the 11 is a good idea and is the only one from the list I agree with. The 11 simply runs through way too much congestion to work effectively & in today's day & age where congestion is only increasing even more, I think the 11 change would of happened regardless of the financial situation as it's not surprising that the route regularly falls over the minute something goes wrong in Central London or along the King's Road. My issue with the 311 is having it run to Oxford Circus - personally, I'd run it Aldwych via the 11 more like a conventional split as I can see the 311 being cut in a few years as I can't see much demand for a link between Sloane Square & Mayfair when the major user would be wealthy people or those who prefer to travel by Uber & taxis. Now if I really had my way, I'd then put the 22 back to Piccadilly Circus and save the C2 by restoring it to Victoria but we all know that won't happen. Knew I had a few of these stashed away. We used to whine like hell about these duties as they were too far padded and we were constantly having to wait time at almost every timing point...
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Post by moz on Aug 15, 2018 17:56:46 GMT
Mods - feel free to move or remove this if you feel it is in the wrong place.
Answers the question of what will replace the 10 to Russell Square as well as a few other queries.
Moz
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Post by moz on Aug 10, 2018 17:48:22 GMT
There doesn't seem to be any mention of what replaces the 10 routing via Russell Square as the 3 proposal seems to have been dropped. Could easily be covered by rerouting the 14 north of TCR over the 10 to either Euston or Kings Cross.
Moz
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Post by moz on Aug 10, 2018 17:37:57 GMT
I'm not able to answer most of your questions, but I'll have a go at a couple. No, EU domestic driving hours didn't apply in the late '80s; no, drivers weren't always paired up with the same conductors, particularly when a garage still operated two or three crew routes, but they could ask to be e.g. there were at one time many married couples as crews, although I never heard of one where the wife was the driver! Norwood had the highest preponderance of these back in the 1960s, as I have a London Transport Magazine, produced for staff, from the period featuring some of them, on routes recognisable today like the 137 and the 3. More (!) recently there is a video on YouTube featuring the last day of crew operation on the 8 at Bow, heavily featuring a husband and wife crew who operated the last journey, and they revealed they'd been working together on the buses for decades. Sorry, I'm useless at links, but if I found it easily enough you'll be able to. Hope that's a little useful. Crews were normally paired up on a Rota we used to work a 5 day week with split rest days Sun mon sun tues sun we’d sun thurs sun fr sat sun and repeat Hated those split rest days. However, at RA it was simpler - every weekend off! Moz
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