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Post by busman on Nov 16, 2018 13:58:42 GMT
That’s the truth. I didn’t even bother reviewing the survey questions as this is a done deal, bar some outrage from local MP’s and councillors. I’m hoping that this isn’t a precursor to cuts to either the 207 or 427, but I fear the worst as TfL feel that the Southall to Acton corridor will be over-bussed once Crossrail opens.
My hope is that they create a link to West Middlesex Hospital by extending the H28 down the Great West Road then via Boston Road to Ealing Hospital. They could then terminate the 195 at Ealing Hospital as well. If they kept the frequencies the same for both routes, that would be one way for to TfL to make cuts whilst creating useful new links.
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Post by busman on Nov 16, 2018 10:27:31 GMT
Extensions/Changes: 167 extended to Debden That was the route but then Essex council refused to pay up and that's why it got cut back to Loughton, pretty much no chance of it ever retuning in the current climate. Now a nice useful dream. 375 to Debden and not middle of nowhere aaa Running via Abridge that would be a very handy link, for enthusiasts at least. Come on Essex CC fund our link 😁
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Post by busman on Nov 16, 2018 3:45:22 GMT
Ealing Bus Review 112 - Extended to North Finchley 🤣 195 - Withdrawn between Brentford and Ealing Hospital. Terminates within Ealing Hospital grounds 207 - Withdrawn between Hayes By Pass and Ealing Hospital. Terminates outside hospital grounds on Uxbridge Road 310 - New route: Hayes By Pass, Southall Town Hall, Ealing Hospital, Boston Manor, Brentford then via 267 to West Middlesex Hospital. Terminates within West Middlesex Hospital grounds taking up stand vacated by the 110. Single deck (as long a vehicle as the turning space in West Middlesex grounds permits, 10.9m if possible otherwise 10.2m), Every 12 mins daytime, 15 mins Sunday, 20 mins evenings 482 - Extended from Southall Town Hall to Hayes By Pass via Uxbridge Road. No change to current frequency 483 - Crazy extension to Windmill Lane goes ahead as proposed with frequency reduction. E1 - Extended from Greenford to Yeading, Barnhill Estate. Peak frequency reduced to every 10mins peaks, every 12 mins on Sundays E9 - Withdrawn E10 - Extended from Ealing Broadway to Osterley Tesco (as currently proposed) E11 - Extended from Ealing Common Warwick Dene to Chiswick Business Park via Elm Grove Road, Ascott Ave, Elderberry Road, Popes Lane, North Circular Road, Gunnersbury Station, Chiswick Business Park. No change to frequency.
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Post by busman on Nov 15, 2018 20:41:19 GMT
Having spent part of my childhood growing up in that neck of the woods, this consultation is nonsense. Windmill Park is within a short walk of the 207 and 427 via footpaths through the estate. TfL are actually taking a bus away from hospital grounds which are located up a steep hill and in use 24/7 to serve an area that will be deserted outside of business hours. This move inconveniences the least mobile passengers, it’s is an absolute joke. What a pointless diversion. I guess if Abelio end up running the 483 it will have some minor operational efficiencies. I suspect that something else is afoot. It’s almost as if making space at Ealing Hospital for another route to terminate is taking precedent over passenger convenience. Maybe the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Hospital ahead of Crossrail opening. Wouldn't the sensible thing to do be to run it to Windmill Lane during business hours and terminate at the hospital at other times? Obviously it goes against TfL standardisation policy. That would be the sensible thing for this route and many others too, where more frequent services over busier parts of the route would better meet demand. TfL’s uniform approach sometimes ties their hands. I can tell you for a fact that the residents of Navigator Drive do not need a decker every 12 minutes or a night bus service beyond the N207. The rationale seems highly dubious to me and I think there are other motives behind this change.
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Post by busman on Nov 15, 2018 16:49:14 GMT
Having spent part of my childhood growing up in that neck of the woods, this consultation is nonsense. Windmill Park is within a short walk of the 207 and 427 via footpaths through the estate. TfL are actually taking a bus away from hospital grounds which are located up a steep hill and in use 24/7 to serve an area that will be deserted outside of business hours. This move inconveniences the least mobile passengers, it’s is an absolute joke. What a pointless diversion. I guess if Abelio end up running the 483 it will have some minor operational efficiencies. I suspect that something else is afoot. It’s almost as if making space at Ealing Hospital for another route to terminate is taking precedent over passenger convenience. Maybe the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Hospital ahead of Crossrail opening. Or maybe they will withdraw the 207 between Ealing Hospital and Hayes By Pass. Not sure how that would flow with their longer term strategy to divert the 427 to Southall Station. The 207 would plug the 2 remaining stand spaces at Ealing Hospital. Also cutting the 207 to Ealing Hospital then diverting the 427 would leave a large hole along the Uxbridge Road corridor. Not even a TfL apprentice planner would be so daft, surely.... Unless TfL abandons its plans to divert the 427. Then chopping back the 207 to Ealing Hospital might be a crazy option for TfL to entertain.
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Post by busman on Nov 15, 2018 16:34:29 GMT
I wonder what took TfL this long to make this extension. If the bridge was strong enough I would have extended the 483 to West Middlesex Hospital. Three Bridges is a protected monument so will not be altered and has no prospect of being strengthened due to costs I think. I agree it would be very useful to reinstate bus links through Windmill Lane and Tentelow Lane, but that’s not happening anytime soon.
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Post by busman on Nov 15, 2018 16:32:04 GMT
Having spent part of my childhood growing up in that neck of the woods, this consultation is nonsense. Windmill Park is within a short walk of the 207 and 427 via footpaths through the estate. TfL are actually taking a bus away from hospital grounds which are located up a steep hill and in use 24/7 to serve an area that will be deserted outside of business hours. This move inconveniences the least mobile passengers, it’s is an absolute joke. What a pointless diversion. I guess if Abelio end up running the 483 it will have some minor operational efficiencies. I suspect that something else is afoot. It’s almost as if making space at Ealing Hospital for another route to terminate is taking precedent over passenger convenience. Maybe the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Hospital ahead of Crossrail opening.
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Post by busman on Nov 14, 2018 17:35:05 GMT
So 72% of users were opposed or strongly opposed to the changes on the 27, yet TfL decide to move ahead. This is exactly why I don’t take part in these faux consultations.
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Post by busman on Nov 14, 2018 14:43:21 GMT
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Post by busman on Nov 13, 2018 18:11:19 GMT
And here is what the London Assembly have to say about the Central London bus consultation. www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/response_bus_services_consultation_-_final.pdfThey are not terribly happy and who can blame them. All that cuddly extra consultation effort by TfL paying dividends - NOT! For those interested in future bus route changes in outer London look at the very last page - an interesting list including the 112 going to North Finchley!!! That’s a scathing assessment of TfL’s delivery against the Mayor’s commitments. The appendix contribution from the Labour group doesn’t give the full picture as some of those outer London improvements have been counter balanced by cuts of other services. The 112 extension to North Finchley is interesting only for the fact that it doesn’t state what it will be replacing.
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Post by busman on Nov 13, 2018 13:58:50 GMT
Alas, it has closed and the powers that be are busily looking at how they can present the data to support their decision 🙄
This consultation is a farce.
“Our network can be over complicated - where we have multiple routes serving the same area our customers can find it difficult to understand their best travel option. Customers need to understand which route offers them the fastest and most reliable service to their destination.”
Er yes, spider maps with lots of multicoloured lines makes it difficult to find the best option. Whose idea was that? It’s maddening how TfL are using their own cock-ups to justify these cuts.
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Post by busman on Nov 12, 2018 22:13:47 GMT
I don't see why the 73 or 390 can't be diverted via the current 10 routeing. Exactly what I was thinking. Why not just reroute the 390 via the British Museum? Seems bizarre that TfL are unable to provide a bus service along the British Museum/Russell Square corridor. Earlier I noticed that the British Museum northbound bus stop had timetables for both the 10 and 98. There was no notification of the 10’s withdrawal at any bus stop in the area. What are the odds that TfL fails to remove the bus stops/bus tiles and fails to out up notices at each unserved stop leaving many passengers waiting for a bus that will never arrive? It seems like the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing at TfL these days. What an absolute shambles.
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Post by busman on Nov 12, 2018 13:08:40 GMT
Just seen the northbound bus stop outside the British Museum with timetables for both the 10 and the 98. Also there are no notices informing passengers of upcoming changes to the service. There were 6 passengers waiting for the bus and considering the short amount of time the 10 has served the area, the through service to Kings Cross seems much better used compared to when the area was served by the 7 and 98. It will be a shame when the service reverts back to buses terminating at Russell Square.
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Post by busman on Nov 7, 2018 17:23:17 GMT
Back in the late 80’s/90’s there used to be some crazy one-off routes running on boxing day. I’m sure I even remember 82’s to North Finchley turning up in Ealing one year. I think I’ve asked before but to no avail, but I would love to see records of what boxing day routes ran each year during that period. They were truly the stuff of fantasy but unfortunately I never got to ride any of them due to being either too young or too busy blagging my way into pubs with my fake ID 🤣 I might be mistaken but I have vague recollection of a one off 86B route and Capital Citybus doing the 19 for the day. The one-off operators! I’d completely forgotten about that aspect. I wish I had recorded that information somewhere.
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Post by busman on Nov 7, 2018 2:38:16 GMT
Looks like my cynicism about TfL not publishing future consultations was misplaced. In the new Customer Services report that Snowman linked to there is this list of future consultations. The G1, 386 and Croydon routes consultations are brand new. The 470 and 404/434 change has been published on the list before. The Croydon proposal is either going to be ominous or else some extra resources going into the area. My money's going on ominous... I'm guessing the 386 proposal is because they've realised it can no longer turn left out of Woolwich New Road. I suspect they would just alter the Woolwich-bound route so it matches the 51 between Plumstead Common Road and its terminus. That would be the most logical suggestion to me.
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