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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 15, 2017 19:53:20 GMT
Having gone to school in Havering for the past 7 years I've seen it all with the Essex/London arguments, my school was situated literally on the border of Havering and B&D and it was almost every week I was involved in one of the arguments. The one sentence which managed to end it was "Why are we surrounded by London buses then". Romford itself isn't a bad area in my opinion, it's the most multicultural part of Havering and the shops are all useful and having three McDonald's all in one place is quite useful when you need to pop out for lunch. However when you leave Romford..  ...you just can't wait to be back in known territory, I just went to Gallows Corner once and it felt so unwelcoming, couldn't wait to get out of that place. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 17, 2017 18:21:15 GMT
Actually, I think there are a few areas just outside the GLA area that would benefit from being inside the GLA area, rather than Havering's idea...
That might make me unpopular in certain places lol
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Post by vjaska on Jul 17, 2017 21:22:17 GMT
Actually, I think there are a few areas just outside the GLA area that would benefit from being inside the GLA area, rather than Havering's idea... That might make me unpopular in certain places lol Unpopular or not, what you say does make a lot of sense as there is so many benefits to being within the GLA but would it work as well with more areas added in? |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 17, 2017 22:01:56 GMT
Actually, I think there are a few areas just outside the GLA area that would benefit from being inside the GLA area, rather than Havering's idea... That might make me unpopular in certain places lol Unpopular or not, what you say does make a lot of sense as there is so many benefits to being within the GLA but would it work as well with more areas added in? I'm not thinking of huge areas - the two areas that immediately come to my mind are parts of Epping Forest's council area and parts of North Surrey that until quite recently still came under the Met Police area (around Thames Ditton and Molesey) |
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Post by planesandtrains on Jul 17, 2017 22:05:19 GMT
Unpopular or not, what you say does make a lot of sense as there is so many benefits to being within the GLA but would it work as well with more areas added in? I'm not thinking of huge areas - the two areas that immediately come to my mind are parts of Epping Forest's council area and parts of North Surrey that until quite recently still came under the Met Police area (around Thames Ditton and Molesey) Here here, it is annoying that one can use the oyster to make journeys to Dorking/Redhill, yet not on a journey that takes 30 minutes from Kingston. |
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Post by john on Jul 18, 2017 8:13:30 GMT
Having gone to school in Havering for the past 7 years I've seen it all with the Essex/London arguments, my school was situated literally on the border of Havering and B&D and it was almost every week I was involved in one of the arguments. The one sentence which managed to end it was "Why are we surrounded by London buses then". Romford itself isn't a bad area in my opinion, it's the most multicultural part of Havering and the shops are all useful and having three McDonald's all in one place is quite useful when you need to pop out for lunch. However when you leave Romford.. ...you just can't wait to be back in known territory, I just went to Gallows Corner once and it felt so unwelcoming, couldn't wait to get out of that place. Ironically it's around Gallows Corner that I spent much of my early years in the 90s 😂😂😂 the area you really need to avoid is in "the square" (my own description). It's the Briar Road area within Straight Road, Farringdon Avenue, Gooshays Drive and Hilldene Avenue. That's a no go at most times and wouldn't be shocked to hear the moped idiots live around there (ironically the proposed route for the 497 through Harold Hill!!). Take the advise of someone who lived there for 25 years and who knows drives routes through there 😁😁😁 |
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 23, 2017 11:19:49 GMT
Dubbed 'Hexit'...  Where is the need for shorthands? Where is the imagination? Who's the person dubbing? Hillingdon are probably panicking around for a shorthand now that Hexit is taken. Would not be surprised if Ealing come out with eexit with two e's demonstrating the lack of any imagination. Anyway the government is working towards giving local authorities more power over themselves i.e. increased devolution, and also giving them more of their income to themselves. So Havering should sit back and not make things worse for themselves. Could you imagine that the edge of the london map would be trimmed off. It would be dubbed the great 'shavering' of 21st century London. I could not help myself. Sorry. On the plus side...  Paves the way for an Xmas movie  |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 26, 2017 17:01:31 GMT
This evening is when Havering council are to take the vote. Protests are planned outside the town hall before the vote is due to take place.
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 26, 2017 20:34:45 GMT
This evening is when Havering council are to take the vote. Protests are planned outside the town hall before the vote is due to take place. Checking Twitter and WhatsApp now... getting pretty wild... someone has deliberately kicked a recycling tub across the street as the rioters get out of control... streets full of teargas and baton rounds as Anti TfL protesters take the violence up a notch... meanwhile police storm DW216, bound for Romford on the 370 and remove rioters and troublemakers who have come in from other 'manors', fearing another Tottenham 2011  |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 30, 2017 19:58:43 GMT
Does this mean that FirstGroup would attempt to try and gain a foothold around the Romford area if that actually happened I wonder?.... Even EnsignBus may want to expand. Furthermore, if bus deregulation is extended to Havering as a result, Arriva may run routes such as the 370 commercially. Cross-boundary routes (ie from Barking & Dagenham and Redbridge or further afield) such as routes 5, 86 & 296 would probably remain TfL-controlled, while local routes such as the 193 & 294 would leave TfL and taken up commercially by anyone interested. Losing Havering might make re-election of a Conservative London Mayor a little less likely though. |
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Post by snoggle on Jul 30, 2017 21:52:34 GMT
Does this mean that FirstGroup would attempt to try and gain a foothold around the Romford area if that actually happened I wonder?.... Even EnsignBus may want to expand. Furthermore, if bus deregulation is extended to Havering as a result, Arriva may run routes such as the 370 commercially. Cross-boundary routes (ie from Barking & Dagenham and Redbridge or further afield) such as routes 5, 86 & 296 would probably remain TfL-controlled, while local routes such as the 193 & 294 would leave TfL and taken up commercially by anyone interested. Losing Havering might make re-election of a Conservative London Mayor a little less likely though. The vote was lost so we can forget about a Havering secession from Greater London. A complete and utter waste of time and money in even having the vote. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 0:28:50 GMT
If they do end up leaving the GLA, just give it a year before they want to be a part of it again  All this short termist views aren't helping. Both the local MPs Andrew Rosindell and Jon Cruddas seem to have differing opinions. Labour's Jon Cruddas wants to remain in the GLA while Tory Andrew Rosindell wants to leave the GLA. But that's the thing - who in their right mind would want to leave the GLA? The amount of perks you get from being in the GLA outweighs anything else. If anything, I'm surprised there aren't any non GLA councils wanting to join it. Saying that, we still have people in outer London boroughs like Bromley & Croydon referring to their location as Bromley & Kent not to mention people in Havering as part of Essex when they haven't been for donkeys. I had an argument with a stupid woman at a McDonald's group interview a few years ago. Someone referred to Orpington as being in London, and the woman actualy had a go at him. 'ERM, Orpington is in Kent ACTUALLY!!'. I informed her that she would have been correct 50 years ago, and gave her the history lesson. I didn't get the job but oh well 😂 |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 17, 2017 0:35:00 GMT
But that's the thing - who in their right mind would want to leave the GLA? The amount of perks you get from being in the GLA outweighs anything else. If anything, I'm surprised there aren't any non GLA councils wanting to join it. Saying that, we still have people in outer London boroughs like Bromley & Croydon referring to their location as Bromley & Kent not to mention people in Havering as part of Essex when they haven't been for donkeys. I had an argument with a stupid woman at a McDonald's group interview a few years ago. Someone referred to Orpington as being in London, and the woman actualy had a go at him. 'ERM, Orpington is in Kent ACTUALLY!!'. I informed her that she would have been correct 50 years ago, and gave her the history lesson. I didn't get the job but oh well 😂 I'd say you had a lucky escape I remember being on a Facebook and noticed a post where a number of Croydon residents were trying to justify themselves writing Surrey as part of their address despite sensible people telling them you've been part of London since the 1960's |
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 17, 2017 8:10:41 GMT
I would say you had a lucky escape too!
I really wouldn't be putting a referendum on GLA membership to the people of Bromley - there is a realistic chance the people would vote to leave...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 8:53:09 GMT
I would say you had a lucky escape too! I really wouldn't be putting a referendum on GLA membership to the people of Bromley - there is a realistic chance the people would vote to leave... I'd bet that Bromley Town, Bromley Common, Bickley, Chislehurst, Elmstead, Sundridge, Shortlands, Park Langley, Beckenham, Eden Park, Hayes, Coney Hall, Keston, Leaves Green, Biggin Hill, Downe, Cudham, Hazlewood, Pratts Bottom, Chelsfield, Green Street Green, Farnborough, Locksbottom, Southborough, Petts Wood, Crofton and some of Orpington would vote to leave. Which leaves a quarter of Crystal Palace, Anerley, Penge, small parts of Sydenham, half of Mottingham, the Ramsden Estate side of Orpington, St Mary Cray and St Paul's Cray that would want to stay. The Only Way Is Kent 🙁 |
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...you just can't wait to be back in known territory, I just went to Gallows Corner once and it felt so unwelcoming, couldn't wait to get out of that place.
Where is the need for shorthands? Where is the imagination? Who's the person dubbing? Hillingdon are probably panicking around for a shorthand now that Hexit is taken. Would not be surprised if Ealing come out with eexit with two e's demonstrating the lack of any imagination. 
All this short termist views aren't helping. Both the local MPs Andrew Rosindell and Jon Cruddas seem to have differing opinions. Labour's Jon Cruddas wants to remain in the GLA while Tory Andrew Rosindell wants to leave the GLA.