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Post by wirewiper on Aug 13, 2021 12:53:53 GMT
Just a thought - maybe it's shown as a shuttle on the map at Golders Green as there won't be a through service from Edgware Branch stations (not initially anyway). After those first two morning trains from Battersea to Kennington NB then loop, these same trains form two Battersea to Edgware services. But there isn't a regular all-day service from Edgware Branch stations to Battersea, unless I've read duff information.
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 13, 2021 12:59:43 GMT
After those first two morning trains from Battersea to Kennington NB then loop, these same trains form two Battersea to Edgware services. But there isn't a regular all-day service from Edgware Branch stations to Battersea, unless I've read duff information. Edgware branch stations will only get a direct service to Battersea during peak hours. At all other times it’s the Barnet branch providing the NLE service. Even though the station order on the tweeted photo from Golders Green is wrong, the representation (already appearing at other stations) is closer to what the service pattern will be for majority of traffic hours. Even the peak Battersea service ex-Edgware branch varies between 10 and 20 min intervals so giving the ‘take the first the train and change where necessary’ impression may not be such a bad thing there either imho.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 19:53:57 GMT
If the Northern line was extended to Clapham Junction, would CJ be above or below ground?
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Post by vjaska on Aug 14, 2021 20:10:08 GMT
If the Northern line was extended to Clapham Junction, would CJ be above or below ground? I'd say it would have to be underground as I'm not sure where you could get it to pop out from underground into the open and then where space would be at Clapham Junction above ground. I believe the route to Clapham Junction is safeguarded but a shame a route beyond there to Wandsworth isn't safeguarded at all.
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 15, 2021 6:56:17 GMT
If the Northern line was extended to Clapham Junction, would CJ be above or below ground? I'd say it would have to be underground as I'm not sure where you could get it to pop out from underground into the open and then where space would be at Clapham Junction above ground. I believe the route to Clapham Junction is safeguarded but a shame a route beyond there to Wandsworth isn't safeguarded at all. I suspect the Northern line would get overloaded if extended beyond Clapham Junction, unless other rail improvements (like Crossrail 2) are implemented.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 15, 2021 9:41:40 GMT
I'd say it would have to be underground as I'm not sure where you could get it to pop out from underground into the open and then where space would be at Clapham Junction above ground. I believe the route to Clapham Junction is safeguarded but a shame a route beyond there to Wandsworth isn't safeguarded at all. I suspect the Northern line would get overloaded if extended beyond Clapham Junction, unless other rail improvements (like Crossrail 2) are implemented. Could always connect with the Northern at Balham from CJ
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 15, 2021 10:43:05 GMT
I suspect the Northern line would get overloaded if extended beyond Clapham Junction, unless other rail improvements (like Crossrail 2) are implemented. Could always connect with the Northern at Balham from CJ You’d only do that (sensibly) if you are going south, towards Colliers Wood and Morden. Northbound, you’d go to Waterloo as the network currently stands. If the Northern were extended to Clapham Junction, I think it would cope, just about - those coming from SWR lines are likely to remain on the train to Waterloo, so it’s only Southern/LO commuters, in the main, likely to interchange with the Tube there. Pushing the Northern further to Wandsworth however is likely to overload it.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 15, 2021 11:56:02 GMT
I'd say it would have to be underground as I'm not sure where you could get it to pop out from underground into the open and then where space would be at Clapham Junction above ground. I believe the route to Clapham Junction is safeguarded but a shame a route beyond there to Wandsworth isn't safeguarded at all. I suspect the Northern line would get overloaded if extended beyond Clapham Junction, unless other rail improvements (like Crossrail 2) are implemented. It's been said that the District Line was one of the alternative lines to have been considered extending¹ to Clapham Junction. It's a pity both that and the Northern Line weren't extended there together, perhaps then having future provisions of one of the lines going further. ¹ - branch off between Sloane Square and South Kensington
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Post by VMH2537 on Aug 15, 2021 12:46:46 GMT
I suspect the Northern line would get overloaded if extended beyond Clapham Junction, unless other rail improvements (like Crossrail 2) are implemented. Could always connect with the Northern at Balham from CJ The argument for a extension to Balham is mostly coming from to relieve congestion on the Morden branch. There were reports that the Northern Line's upgrade to 36tbph once splitted will match demand, Crossrail 2 wasn't nessesary to serve Tooting or Balham
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 15, 2021 13:58:53 GMT
Could always connect with the Northern at Balham from CJ The argument for a extension to Balham is mostly coming from to relieve congestion on the Morden branch. There were reports that the Northern Line's upgrade to 36tbph once splitted will match demand, Crossrail 2 wasn't nessesary to serve Tooting or Balham I meant the Northern beyond CJ if it gets extended to rejoin the line there. However the NL would need to be split
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2021 16:40:18 GMT
This is more of a fantasy idea but I'd quite like the Northern line to extend to Roehampton, maybe calling at Clapham Junction, Wandsworth Town, Putney Heath and Roehampton with new stations being built at the latter two. This would provide a tube where no tube calls at.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 15, 2021 20:42:38 GMT
This is more of a fantasy idea but I'd quite like the Northern line to extend to Roehampton, maybe calling at Clapham Junction, Wandsworth Town, Putney Heath and Roehampton with new stations being built at the latter two. This would provide a tube where no tube calls at. It might be more cost-effective to let the Northern Line terminate at Battersea, but build a District Line spur from Putney Bridge to Roehampton via Wandsworth and Putney (SWR). Then half the current Wimbledon District Line trains would divert to Roehampton. There are plenty of National Rail trains from Clapham Junction & Wimbledon to Central London so the former is fine without the Underground and the latter would cope with fewer Underground trains.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 15, 2021 21:22:51 GMT
This is more of a fantasy idea but I'd quite like the Northern line to extend to Roehampton, maybe calling at Clapham Junction, Wandsworth Town, Putney Heath and Roehampton with new stations being built at the latter two. This would provide a tube where no tube calls at. It might be more cost-effective to let the Northern Line terminate at Battersea, but build a District Line spur from Putney Bridge to Roehampton via Wandsworth and Putney (SWR). Then half the current Wimbledon District Line trains would divert to Roehampton. There are plenty of National Rail trains from Clapham Junction & Wimbledon to Central London so the former is fine without the Underground and the latter would cope with fewer Underground trains. The routing to Clapham Junction has been safeguarded AFAIK for any future expansion and I think it would be a sensible addition, certainly more so than extending the Central to Harlow.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 24, 2021 17:59:29 GMT
It's been reported that test runs have had northbound trains entering Nine Elms Station at 38mph (28 mph southbound) during decelerations, this being from tunnel speeds of up to around 50+ mph.
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 25, 2021 17:18:14 GMT
This is more of a fantasy idea but I'd quite like the Northern line to extend to Roehampton, maybe calling at Clapham Junction, Wandsworth Town, Putney Heath and Roehampton with new stations being built at the latter two. This would provide a tube where no tube calls at. Not sure if there would be enough demand at Roehampton to justify a tube extension there, while Putney and Wandsworth already have frequent SWR services (plus the District line at Putney). Although a line to Roehampton could be made more useful if continued to Kingston - which is a large and busy town centre, offering a more frequent and direct connection into central London. Ideally, I think the Northern Line extension needs to just go to Clapham Junction - where the route has been safeguarded. This isn't much further than the Battersea terminus, but would offer improved interchange opportunities at Clapham beyond Victoria/Waterloo. Clapham Junction would likely attract a lot of passengers as the first stop, so continuing beyond Clapham could cause a lot of overcrowding. However, I don't think an extension from Battersea to Clapham Junction should go ahead until upgraded are carried out on the Northern Line and additional trains ordered or made available - in order to provide the sufficient frequency that would be needed there.
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