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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 15, 2022 5:26:11 GMT
Is it only the daytime service of the 94 that’s being planned to be withdrawn between Marble Arch and Piccadilly Circus? Or is both the daytime and night service of the 94 being withdrawn between Marble Arch and Piccadilly Circus? Daytime 94 service expected to be withdrawn from 21st May between Portman Square (instead of Marble Arch) and Piccadilly Circus. The night service will become N94 and continue to Piccadilly Circus Don’t know if this date is definite, or conditional on Elizabeth line opening mid May Atleats that is some compromise over cutting to Marble Arch as it will actually pick up and drop off on Oxford Street and Portman Square.
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 15, 2022 6:17:39 GMT
Daytime 94 service expected to be withdrawn from 21st May between Portman Square (instead of Marble Arch) and Piccadilly Circus. The night service will become N94 and continue to Piccadilly Circus Don’t know if this date is definite, or conditional on Elizabeth line opening mid May Atleats that is some compromise over cutting to Marble Arch as it will actually pick up and drop off on Oxford Street and Portman Square. It's not compromise, it's called lack of stand space. Went by Marble Arch yesterday and the layby the 30 mostly uses to stand is shut due to the removal of Marble Arch mound. I guarantee you if there was ample space at Cumberland Gate, TfL wouldn't give a toss where the 94 dumps passengers. There's also an argument to be had that the 94's plans should be the last to kick in as Bond Street Station will be delayed opening by a couple months. This however is a logical line of thinking, which will mean TfL will pull the 94 out of Bond Street when Crossrail is nowhere to be seen.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 15, 2022 7:18:21 GMT
Atleats that is some compromise over cutting to Marble Arch as it will actually pick up and drop off on Oxford Street and Portman Square. It's not compromise, it's called lack of stand space. Went by Marble Arch yesterday and the layby the 30 mostly uses to stand is shut due to the removal of Marble Arch mound. I guarantee you if there was ample space at Cumberland Gate, TfL wouldn't give a toss where the 94 dumps passengers. There's also an argument to be had that the 94's plans should be the last to kick in as Bond Street Station will be delayed opening by a couple months. This however is a logical line of thinking, which will mean TfL will pull the 94 out of Bond Street when Crossrail is nowhere to be seen. Maybe they will work on North Row once Bond Street is open. North Row could possibly stand a couple of routes there so maybe the 94 and let's say the 137 could stand there in the future if Marble Arch becomes crowded.
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Post by Alexis on Apr 15, 2022 10:13:16 GMT
I've noticed buses getting busier lately and that very much includes the 94 between Marble Arch and Piccadilly Circus, it's ridiculous that TfL is cutting the route short
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 15, 2022 10:18:20 GMT
I've noticed buses getting busier lately and that very much includes the 94 between Marble Arch and Piccadilly Circus, it's ridiculous that TfL is cutting the route short Iv got on it outside John Lewis before and most the seats have been taken. Like with the 25 TFL were adamant it had to go. I don't have the confidence to say the same number of people travelling up from Acton Green, SB and NHG will still use the route as far as Portman Square.
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Post by cl54 on Apr 15, 2022 10:19:45 GMT
I've noticed buses getting busier lately and that very much includes the 94 between Marble Arch and Piccadilly Circus, it's ridiculous that TfL is cutting the route short The change was because of the Westminster Council scheme to pedestrianise Oxford Street. This is on hold following consultation with local residents. The alternative routes for buses to avoid the closed sections couldn't support the current number of routes along Oxford Street. This was the reason for the curtailment. It's a case of wait and see. (I agree that passenger numbers are rising and Oxford Street was very busy yesterday afternoon.)
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 15, 2022 10:19:53 GMT
I've noticed buses getting busier lately and that very much includes the 94 between Marble Arch and Piccadilly Circus, it's ridiculous that TfL is cutting the route short The crowd seems to be isolated to some very specific routes. Was on a 55 yesterday, the bus was packed out solid. We eventually got turned at Holborn and there was another 55 behind, should have seen the look on that poor driver's face as an entire packed LT's worth of crowd got off the bus in front and rushed to the bus behind. Needless to say many people got left behind, and many also just walked from there. My 55 remained busy right through to the last stop. I ended up getting a 98 which wasn't very busy, although we kept getting held up by a 390 in front which kept getting stormed by people. So no doubt the 73 cut also still seems to have effects on routes. The 94 was another route which kept getting hit by crowds throughout Oxford Street. If it was up to me what I'd do, and if TfL were hellbent on not increasing anymore buses through Oxford Street is cut the 98 back to Marble Arch, as that route is probably the quietest on the entire road. This opens the door for the 94 to continue through, until at least Oxford Circus while the 8 could be brought in from the other side to provide the City link alongside the 55 to help that route out. The 7 will continue providing the link from Oxford Circus to Edgware Road.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 15, 2022 10:30:04 GMT
I've noticed buses getting busier lately and that very much includes the 94 between Marble Arch and Piccadilly Circus, it's ridiculous that TfL is cutting the route short The crowd seems to be isolated to some very specific routes. Was on a 55 yesterday, the bus was packed out solid. We eventually got turned at Holborn and there was another 55 behind, should have seen the look on that poor driver's face as an entire packed LT's worth of crowd got off the bus in front and rushed to the bus behind. Needless to say many people got left behind, and many also just walked from there. My 55 remained busy right through to the last stop. I ended up getting a 98 which wasn't very busy, although we kept getting held up by a 390 in front which kept getting stormed by people. So no doubt the 73 cut also still seems to have effects on routes. The 94 was another route which kept getting hit by crowds throughout Oxford Street. If it was up to me what I'd do, and if TfL were hellbent on not increasing anymore buses through Oxford Street is cut the 98 back to Marble Arch, as that route is probably the quietest on the entire road. This opens the door for the 94 to continue through, until at least Oxford Circus while the 8 could be brought in from the other side to provide the City link alongside the 55 to help that route out. The 7 will continue providing the link from Oxford Circus to Edgware Road. Not sure if the pedestrian Piazzas are still going ahead at Oxford Circus. If they do then not sending the 98 on diversion may be an attractive proposition. Main issue thou would be having to find stand space for the 8, 55 and 73 east of Oxford Circus. I do think the 94 may be linked still to the plan to pull the 14 back to Piccadilly Circus.
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Post by abellion on Apr 15, 2022 11:44:20 GMT
I've noticed buses getting busier lately and that very much includes the 94 between Marble Arch and Piccadilly Circus, it's ridiculous that TfL is cutting the route short The 94 was always busy imo. Really makes no sense to keep the 98 and have the 94 cut. Busy routes such as the 8, 25, 137 and 159 have all been removed yet the 98 still runs to Holborn with way less passengers compared to all the others.
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Apr 15, 2022 12:40:06 GMT
I've noticed buses getting busier lately and that very much includes the 94 between Marble Arch and Piccadilly Circus, it's ridiculous that TfL is cutting the route short The 94 was always busy imo. Really makes no sense to keep the 98 and have the 94 cut. Busy routes such as the 8, 25, 137 and 159 have all been removed yet the 98 still runs to Holborn with way less passengers compared to all the others. I am not going to lie i work in central, and it alot more sense to cut the 94 over the 98 (From bush to oxford circus, you can catch central) And the make up of the route makes 94 and 113 by extension more expendable than the 98. The 98 gets really busy from TCR onwards, and from oxford street its a wrap. It would also be a travesty to cut the 98 and should not be touched. To Holborn i would say its quite quiet but Westbound is too busy. If anything they need to optimise the frequency of 98 and not cut it. Tbf everyone has different accounts and experience of routes. A few years ago, was it they even flirted with cutting back the 113 to portman square.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 15, 2022 14:01:50 GMT
The 94 was always busy imo. Really makes no sense to keep the 98 and have the 94 cut. Busy routes such as the 8, 25, 137 and 159 have all been removed yet the 98 still runs to Holborn with way less passengers compared to all the others. I am not going to lie i work in central, and it alot more sense to cut the 94 over the 98 (From bush to oxford circus, you can catch central) And the make up of the route makes 94 and 113 by extension more expendable than the 98. The 98 gets really busy from TCR onwards, and from oxford street its a wrap. It would also be a travesty to cut the 98 and should not be touched. To Holborn i would say its quite quiet but Westbound is too busy. If anything they need to optimise the frequency of 98 and not cut it. Tbf everyone has different accounts and experience of routes. A few years ago, was it they even flirted with cutting back the 113 to portman square. The 113 was going to be cut to Portman Square had the Full pedestrianisation going ahead as it would have been pointless to send it on diversion to reach Marble Arch when through routes like the 2, 13 etc would have had to.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 15, 2022 14:39:32 GMT
The 94 was always busy imo. Really makes no sense to keep the 98 and have the 94 cut. Busy routes such as the 8, 25, 137 and 159 have all been removed yet the 98 still runs to Holborn with way less passengers compared to all the others. I am not going to lie i work in central, and it alot more sense to cut the 94 over the 98 (From bush to oxford circus, you can catch central) And the make up of the route makes 94 and 113 by extension more expendable than the 98. The 98 gets really busy from TCR onwards, and from oxford street its a wrap. It would also be a travesty to cut the 98 and should not be touched. To Holborn i would say its quite quiet but Westbound is too busy. If anything they need to optimise the frequency of 98 and not cut it. Tbf everyone has different accounts and experience of routes. A few years ago, was it they even flirted with cutting back the 113 to portman square. The same exact argument could be used that you could get the Jubilee Line from Bond Street to Kilburn/Willesden Green instead of the 98. Ideally the 94 & 98 should continue down Oxford Street.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 15, 2022 18:55:38 GMT
It's not compromise, it's called lack of stand space. Went by Marble Arch yesterday and the layby the 30 mostly uses to stand is shut due to the removal of Marble Arch mound. I guarantee you if there was ample space at Cumberland Gate, TfL wouldn't give a toss where the 94 dumps passengers. There's also an argument to be had that the 94's plans should be the last to kick in as Bond Street Station will be delayed opening by a couple months. This however is a logical line of thinking, which will mean TfL will pull the 94 out of Bond Street when Crossrail is nowhere to be seen. Maybe they will work on North Row once Bond Street is open. North Row could possibly stand a couple of routes there so maybe the 94 and let's say the 137 could stand there in the future if Marble Arch becomes crowded. I would think that there will be a lot of opposition to a stand on North Row. If the 94 is going to terminate at Portman Square the only thing I can think is the 30 will be rerouted the same way as the other routes towards Marble Arch and the current route 30 stop on Portman Street will become the 94 stand. It was pretty much inevitable that the 94 would be cut back when Crossrail opened and as you mentioned previously this arrangement is a lot better than it terminating at the Marble Arch roundabout with the set down and first pick up point in Bayswater Road.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 15, 2022 19:07:19 GMT
Maybe they will work on North Row once Bond Street is open. North Row could possibly stand a couple of routes there so maybe the 94 and let's say the 137 could stand there in the future if Marble Arch becomes crowded. I would think that there will be a lot of opposition to a stand on North Row. If the 94 is going to terminate at Portman Square the only thing I can think is the 30 will be rerouted the same way as the other routes towards Marble Arch and the current route 30 stop on Portman Street will become the 94 stand. It was pretty much inevitable that the 94 would be cut back when Crossrail opened and as you mentioned previously this arrangement is a lot better than it terminating at the Marble Arch roundabout with the set down and first pick up point in Bayswater Road. Why would it have always been in accordance with Crossrail? It serves no stations to do with Crossrail and I imagine that whilst the Central Line will have capacity freed up I don’t know if people will specifically change their journey patterns because of that.
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Post by YX10FFN on Apr 15, 2022 19:11:29 GMT
I don't understand this idea that you have to tear away routes from Oxford Street because Wigmore Street "can't support them". Sure, when Oxford Street had over 10 routes on it throwing them all on Wigmore Street with the additional local traffic that road has wouldn't have been practical. But we are talking about just a couple routes now. Why sever long standing bus connections which are very well used, just because you don't want to have to deal with diverting them round one section of the route?
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