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Post by wirewiper on Aug 17, 2023 11:09:02 GMT
Today there was a broken down "freight train" as it was put out on press, causing problems at Customs House suspending the line between AbbeyWood and Paddington. I am sure freight trains do not use the Customs House section anymore. Going off topic here but loosely related. Back in the 90s I used to occasionally see freight trains heading towards North Woolwich but could never understand where they went? I assume they might have headed to the North Woolwich area to stand and then head back towards Stratford? No sure why they would have done this.
Going back to the disruption yesterday. Couldn't trains turn around at Canary Wharf? The sidings at North Woolwich had closed well before then. I think most likely engineering trains, and possibly connected with the construction of the Jubilee Line as it would have been a good way of getting construction materials in.
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Post by mkay315 on Aug 21, 2023 10:05:08 GMT
OK seriously what's up with this service. Constant cancellations.
Getting that train to Heathrow may be a bit of a hit and miss. I do hope these issues can be ironed out. I would only take the Piccadilly Line if it's the LAST RESORT!!!
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 21, 2023 11:02:53 GMT
OK seriously what's up with this service. Constant cancellations. Getting that train to Heathrow may be a bit of a hit and miss. I do hope these issues can be ironed out. I would only take the Piccadilly Line if it's the LAST RESORT!!! I think the lack of turnback facilities in the core section was incredibly short sighted. Even a turn back facility at Liverpool Street and enabling reversing at Whitechapel back towards Canary Wharf and Stratford could help avoid the mass "part suspensions" that keep happening if somebody sneezes in the core.
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 21, 2023 11:41:03 GMT
OK seriously what's up with this service. Constant cancellations. Getting that train to Heathrow may be a bit of a hit and miss. I do hope these issues can be ironed out. I would only take the Piccadilly Line if it's the LAST RESORT!!! I think the lack of turnback facilities in the core section was incredibly short sighted. Even a turn back facility at Liverpool Street and enabling reversing at Whitechapel back towards Canary Wharf and Stratford could help avoid the mass "part suspensions" that keep happening if somebody sneezes in the core. There is a Crossover at Liv St and before Tot Ct Rd but very stupid and short sighted not to have one a turn back siding accessible from both ways at Liv St that way could have services from the West run to the City and give versa very short sighted .
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Post by greenboy on Aug 21, 2023 11:42:42 GMT
I think the lack of turnback facilities in the core section was incredibly short sighted. Even a turn back facility at Liverpool Street and enabling reversing at Whitechapel back towards Canary Wharf and Stratford could help avoid the mass "part suspensions" that keep happening if somebody sneezes in the core. There is a Crossover at Liv St and before Tot Ct Rd but very stupid and short sighted not to have one a turn back siding accessible from both ways at Liv St that way could have services from the West run to the City and give versa very short sighted . Probably just down to the cost?
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Post by mkay315 on Aug 21, 2023 12:41:00 GMT
OK seriously what's up with this service. Constant cancellations. Getting that train to Heathrow may be a bit of a hit and miss. I do hope these issues can be ironed out. I would only take the Piccadilly Line if it's the LAST RESORT!!! I think the lack of turnback facilities in the core section was incredibly short sighted. Even a turn back facility at Liverpool Street and enabling reversing at Whitechapel back towards Canary Wharf and Stratford could help avoid the mass "part suspensions" that keep happening if somebody sneezes in the core. It's becoming an everyday occurance at this rate. I get that something like this hasn't been done before but come on we've given these people too much grace now to expect this calamity of a service. They need to fix up. It's bad enough they were delayed for years but to have this as a service is abysmal
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Post by buspete on Aug 21, 2023 14:48:57 GMT
To have extra turn back facilities require considerable more signalling, so more risk of a failure.
It is a vicious circle.
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 21, 2023 14:57:12 GMT
To have extra turn back facilities require considerable more signalling, so more risk of a failure. It is a vicious circle. True but it's a normal part of a railway that's like saying to have more trains is more risk of trains failing for such a high intense service railway surely if not a turn back siding then at least a double crossover in the core , Now if there are delays the trains have nowhere really to turn around which increases the delays .
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 21, 2023 14:58:23 GMT
To have extra turn back facilities require considerable more signalling, so more risk of a failure. It is a vicious circle. It is. Normally resilience in the Central Core can be maintained by isolating the eastern or (more usually) the western section when there are problems. However this particular issue affected the points at Stepney Green on which the entire service through the Central Core is reliant. Pointwork is definitely a weak spot on any railway, particularly if it intensively used (as this example proves) - so ideally there should be the minimum possible.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 21, 2023 21:14:32 GMT
OK seriously what's up with this service. Constant cancellations. Getting that train to Heathrow may be a bit of a hit and miss. I do hope these issues can be ironed out. I would only take the Piccadilly Line if it's the LAST RESORT!!! One reason I think in some ways it is a blessing it runs as two separate railways. Now some would see why I was so concerned about the opening of the core ruining the service on the east.
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Post by mkay315 on Aug 21, 2023 21:41:50 GMT
OK seriously what's up with this service. Constant cancellations. Getting that train to Heathrow may be a bit of a hit and miss. I do hope these issues can be ironed out. I would only take the Piccadilly Line if it's the LAST RESORT!!! One reason I think in some ways it is a blessing it runs as two separate railways. Now some would see why I was so concerned about the opening of the core ruining the service on the east. We have listened and we have heard 😂
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Post by adl on Aug 21, 2023 23:54:46 GMT
Are there any scheduled trips that terminate at Chadwell Heath, train went into the sidings from being in service the other day, pretty sure I saw ‘Chadwell Heath’ on destination board and I know there are turnback sidings at Chadwell Heath
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 22, 2023 21:19:45 GMT
Are there any scheduled trips that terminate at Chadwell Heath, train went into the sidings from being in service the other day, pretty sure I saw ‘Chadwell Heath’ on destination board and I know there are turnback sidings at Chadwell Heath I do not recall scheduled trains to terminate there. After the station heading to Romford, there is a track in the middle, it used to have trains stopping there a lot when testing was being done on trains going through the core over a year ago. There is a small makeshift platform that the driver can stand on outside the cab, around 5 metres long.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 8, 2023 7:45:15 GMT
TfL has confirmed that the Elizabeth Line stations at Bond Street, Tottenham Court Road, Farringdon and Liverpool Street will have 4G and 5G mobile phone coverage by the end of this year, and coverage will be available on all underground sections of the line (stations and tunnels) by the end of Spring 2024.
It's worth noting the the Heathrow Tunnels already have coverage, although this is not provided by TfL.
Coverage is also being extended to more of the Northern Line in the coming weeks and months - it is currently available between Archway and Kentish Town.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 8, 2023 8:54:01 GMT
Are there any scheduled trips that terminate at Chadwell Heath, train went into the sidings from being in service the other day, pretty sure I saw ‘Chadwell Heath’ on destination board and I know there are turnback sidings at Chadwell Heath There are no scheduled trips that terminate at Chadwell Heath. It could be used, however, to turn back anything that is running late. As capitalomnibus said, it was used during testing of the cl345s, and is used sometimes to turnback trains thay have come out of Ilford TMD.
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