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Post by Busboy105 on Dec 8, 2023 0:16:38 GMT
Maybe this might wake up some people into fixing the signalling
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Post by matthieu1221 on Dec 8, 2023 1:17:56 GMT
Had a friend stuck in the train immediately behind the GWR one which hit a power pole (?), "tangled wires" apparently.
Evacuation was a complete disaster.
I hope the protocols will be reworked.
Over in Paris, the RATP came under fire for taking 2 hours to evacuate passengers in much tougher circumstances than what happened today on Crossrail. It happened on line 4 so completely underground and driverless. The protocol there for driverless trains used to be that there was a staff member per zone (line divided into 7 zones) who had been trained to evacuate trains. They found out through that experience that it was wholly inadequate to have a single staff member evacuate what could be up to 5 trains as it was that day and reviewed protocol.
Based on the reports the drivers weren't given the go-ahead to evacuate trains via the tracks (though they did let people out one by one to use the track toilet 'facilities'). Was there a kerfuffle between NR and TfL on who was to evacuate the trains? There didn't seem to be much staff anyway that were involved when trains were finally evacuated and they only had the manpower to evacuate a train at a time. It seems the initial plan based on some Tweets was for 'rescue' trains to arrive (at least a single EL train did arrive alongside one of the stranded ones), though it seems like they finally gave up and made passengers walk.
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Post by TA1 on Dec 8, 2023 5:44:15 GMT
Maybe this might wake up some people into fixing the signalling Signalling and Overhead line damage don’t go hand in hand, so don’t quite understand the correlation?
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Post by vjaska on Dec 8, 2023 12:36:50 GMT
Maybe this might wake up some people into fixing the signalling Signalling and Overhead line damage don’t go hand in hand, so don’t quite understand the correlation? You’ll be able to correct me if I’ve got something wrong but I believe the damage to the overhead cables was caused by another train operators train rather than an Elizabeth line one?
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Post by ThinLizzy on Dec 8, 2023 13:05:32 GMT
Signalling and Overhead line damage don’t go hand in hand, so don’t quite understand the correlation? You’ll be able to correct me if I’ve got something wrong but I believe the damage to the overhead cables was caused by another train operators train rather than an Elizabeth line one? I believe it was a GWR unit that came into contact with debris on the Overhead lines
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 8, 2023 15:07:10 GMT
Passengers stuck for hours on Elizabeth line after cables damaged Services to and from Paddington railway station remain disrupted after hundreds of passengers were stranded on dark, cold trains for several hours. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67655656
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 8, 2023 15:27:23 GMT
A year plus has gone by since through service began. It's starting to unfortunately look like the line is constantly going to suffer the same fate as the RER in Paris. With essentially 3 distinct parts of the line, there seems to be 3 times as many issues occurring. Today for instance hasn't been particularly good with first disruption on the Heathrow branch in the morning, then a faulty train affecting Whitechapel to Shenfield at around noon, and now damage to the overhead wires suspending services west of Paddington. Naturally, not helping, the Central Line is as usual, suffering from a lack of trains. Maybe they need to bring out the Central line prototype trains back in service to help cover the shortage of lack of trains.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 8, 2023 16:02:50 GMT
Maybe they need to bring out the Central line prototype trains back in service to help cover the shortage of lack of trains. Except one car (in LTMuseum Depot) all other 1986 Stock was scrapped
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 8, 2023 17:22:42 GMT
Maybe they need to bring out the Central line prototype trains back in service to help cover the shortage of lack of trains. Except one car (in LTMuseum Depot) all other 1986 Stock was scrapped Oh dear, the poor things
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Post by TA1 on Dec 8, 2023 18:00:18 GMT
Except one car (in LTMuseum Depot) all other 1986 Stock was scrapped Oh dear, the poor things If they were still around, doubtful if they’d be compatible with the current signalling system & then factor in the time taken for type training, the current shortfall could cease. Dstock7080 what’s the cause of the shortage of rolling stock? I know many units are running around with graffiti, so are a few of our 700’s on the exterior.
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Post by joefrombow on Dec 9, 2023 13:14:24 GMT
A year plus has gone by since through service began. It's starting to unfortunately look like the line is constantly going to suffer the same fate as the RER in Paris. With essentially 3 distinct parts of the line, there seems to be 3 times as many issues occurring. Today for instance hasn't been particularly good with first disruption on the Heathrow branch in the morning, then a faulty train affecting Whitechapel to Shenfield at around noon, and now damage to the overhead wires suspending services west of Paddington. Naturally, not helping, the Central Line is as usual, suffering from a lack of trains. This is why a turnback siding at Whitechapel or Liverpool Street would of been ideal for times of disruption even a crossover that way you could run separate services at times of disruption very shortsighted in my opinion but these things will happen from time to time due to the high frequency nature of the service and the length however overall I think it's generally good . As for the Central Line "lack of available stock" surely they should make a new timetable that caters to the stock available plus some leeway for broken trains instead of everyday 10 minute gaps ? Cut the service at the extreme ends Eastbound beyond Woodford a 30 minute service off peak like most Suburban rail services to Epping and same towards Hainault via Grange Hill and then have a ntensive service between Hainault & Newbury Park/Leytonstone to Ealing/Northolt and a 30 minute service to W Ruislip ? Makes no sense to me to have 8 carriage trains carrying fresh air outside of London and 10 minute gaps in the Centre of London on one of the busiest routes , it's like we are basically in a managed decline , also it's been three years and they have two finished trains ?
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Post by matthieu1221 on Dec 9, 2023 14:06:15 GMT
A year plus has gone by since through service began. It's starting to unfortunately look like the line is constantly going to suffer the same fate as the RER in Paris. With essentially 3 distinct parts of the line, there seems to be 3 times as many issues occurring. Today for instance hasn't been particularly good with first disruption on the Heathrow branch in the morning, then a faulty train affecting Whitechapel to Shenfield at around noon, and now damage to the overhead wires suspending services west of Paddington. Naturally, not helping, the Central Line is as usual, suffering from a lack of trains. This is why a turnback siding at Whitechapel or Liverpool Street would of been ideal for times of disruption even a crossover that way you could run separate services at times of disruption very shortsighted in my opinion but these things will happen from time to time due to the high frequency nature of the service and the length however overall I think it's generally good . As for the Central Line "lack of available stock" surely they should make a new timetable that caters to the stock available plus some leeway for broken trains instead of everyday 10 minute gaps ? Cut the service at the extreme ends Eastbound beyond Woodford a 30 minute service off peak like most Suburban rail services to Epping and same towards Hainault via Grange Hill and then have a ntensive service between Hainault & Newbury Park/Leytonstone to Ealing/Northolt and a 30 minute service to W Ruislip ? Makes no sense to me to have 8 carriage trains carrying fresh air outside of London and 10 minute gaps in the Centre of London on one of the busiest routes , it's like we are basically in a managed decline , also it's been three years and they have two finished trains ? The issue with the temporary timetables on not only the Central but also the Jub is that rather than rewrite it entirely to have even intervals they've simply cancelled certain trains leaving uneven gaps. This causes issues with bunching among other things as trains following a large gap will be fuller and have longer dwell times.
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Post by WH241 on Dec 9, 2023 14:10:29 GMT
A year plus has gone by since through service began. It's starting to unfortunately look like the line is constantly going to suffer the same fate as the RER in Paris. With essentially 3 distinct parts of the line, there seems to be 3 times as many issues occurring. Today for instance hasn't been particularly good with first disruption on the Heathrow branch in the morning, then a faulty train affecting Whitechapel to Shenfield at around noon, and now damage to the overhead wires suspending services west of Paddington. Naturally, not helping, the Central Line is as usual, suffering from a lack of trains. This is why a turnback siding at Whitechapel or Liverpool Street would of been ideal for times of disruption even a crossover that way you could run separate services at times of disruption very shortsighted in my opinion but these things will happen from time to time due to the high frequency nature of the service and the length however overall I think it's generally good . As for the Central Line "lack of available stock" surely they should make a new timetable that caters to the stock available plus some leeway for broken trains instead of everyday 10 minute gaps ? Cut the service at the extreme ends Eastbound beyond Woodford a 30 minute service off peak like most Suburban rail services to Epping and same towards Hainault via Grange Hill and then have a ntensive service between Hainault & Newbury Park/Leytonstone to Ealing/Northolt and a 30 minute service to W Ruislip ? Makes no sense to me to have 8 carriage trains carrying fresh air outside of London and 10 minute gaps in the Centre of London on one of the busiest routes , it's like we are basically in a managed decline , also it's been three years and they have two finished trains ? I was thinking the same when the whole core section closed on Thursday night. I think there is a cross over at Canary Wharf? They could have pehaps run a Abbey Wood to Canary Wharf service this would have at least provided a onwards connection onto the Underground.
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Post by Green Kitten on Dec 10, 2023 8:55:54 GMT
A year plus has gone by since through service began. It's starting to unfortunately look like the line is constantly going to suffer the same fate as the RER in Paris. With essentially 3 distinct parts of the line, there seems to be 3 times as many issues occurring. Today for instance hasn't been particularly good with first disruption on the Heathrow branch in the morning, then a faulty train affecting Whitechapel to Shenfield at around noon, and now damage to the overhead wires suspending services west of Paddington. Naturally, not helping, the Central Line is as usual, suffering from a lack of trains. This is why a turnback siding at Whitechapel or Liverpool Street would of been ideal for times of disruption even a crossover that way you could run separate services at times of disruption very shortsighted in my opinion but these things will happen from time to time due to the high frequency nature of the service and the length however overall I think it's generally good . As for the Central Line "lack of available stock" surely they should make a new timetable that caters to the stock available plus some leeway for broken trains instead of everyday 10 minute gaps ? Cut the service at the extreme ends Eastbound beyond Woodford a 30 minute service off peak like most Suburban rail services to Epping and same towards Hainault via Grange Hill and then have a ntensive service between Hainault & Newbury Park/Leytonstone to Ealing/Northolt and a 30 minute service to W Ruislip ? Makes no sense to me to have 8 carriage trains carrying fresh air outside of London and 10 minute gaps in the Centre of London on one of the busiest routes , it's like we are basically in a managed decline , also it's been three years and they have two finished trains ? It’s all well and good cutting services in the off-peak, but it’s the peak that matters, that’s when the most trains are used. Cutting the Epping branch in the peaks needs to be avoided due to no other alternative rail options being very close. You could make minor cuts to the Ruislip, Ealing and Hainault branches. A 30 minute service is far to drastic of a cut from a 9tph service.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 10, 2023 12:57:07 GMT
This is why a turnback siding at Whitechapel or Liverpool Street would of been ideal for times of disruption even a crossover that way you could run separate services at times of disruption very shortsighted in my opinion but these things will happen from time to time due to the high frequency nature of the service and the length however overall I think it's generally good . As for the Central Line "lack of available stock" surely they should make a new timetable that caters to the stock available plus some leeway for broken trains instead of everyday 10 minute gaps ? Cut the service at the extreme ends Eastbound beyond Woodford a 30 minute service off peak like most Suburban rail services to Epping and same towards Hainault via Grange Hill and then have a ntensive service between Hainault & Newbury Park/Leytonstone to Ealing/Northolt and a 30 minute service to W Ruislip ? Makes no sense to me to have 8 carriage trains carrying fresh air outside of London and 10 minute gaps in the Centre of London on one of the busiest routes , it's like we are basically in a managed decline , also it's been three years and they have two finished trains ? It’s all well and good cutting services in the off-peak, but it’s the peak that matters, that’s when the most trains are used. Cutting the Epping branch in the peaks needs to be avoided due to no other alternative rail options being very close. You could make minor cuts to the Ruislip, Ealing and Hainault branches. A 30 minute service is far to drastic of a cut from a 9tph service. I'm certainly think a solution should be found to allow a 4 car train on the shuttle which would as planned free up another train.
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