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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 10, 2023 22:29:30 GMT
It’s all well and good cutting services in the off-peak, but it’s the peak that matters, that’s when the most trains are used. Cutting the Epping branch in the peaks needs to be avoided due to no other alternative rail options being very close. You could make minor cuts to the Ruislip, Ealing and Hainault branches. A 30 minute service is far to drastic of a cut from a 9tph service. I'm certainly think a solution should be found to allow a 4 car train on the shuttle which would as planned free up another train. Rob the Waterloo & City line.
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Post by joefrombow on Dec 11, 2023 9:40:05 GMT
This is why a turnback siding at Whitechapel or Liverpool Street would of been ideal for times of disruption even a crossover that way you could run separate services at times of disruption very shortsighted in my opinion but these things will happen from time to time due to the high frequency nature of the service and the length however overall I think it's generally good . As for the Central Line "lack of available stock" surely they should make a new timetable that caters to the stock available plus some leeway for broken trains instead of everyday 10 minute gaps ? Cut the service at the extreme ends Eastbound beyond Woodford a 30 minute service off peak like most Suburban rail services to Epping and same towards Hainault via Grange Hill and then have a ntensive service between Hainault & Newbury Park/Leytonstone to Ealing/Northolt and a 30 minute service to W Ruislip ? Makes no sense to me to have 8 carriage trains carrying fresh air outside of London and 10 minute gaps in the Centre of London on one of the busiest routes , it's like we are basically in a managed decline , also it's been three years and they have two finished trains ? It’s all well and good cutting services in the off-peak, but it’s the peak that matters, that’s when the most trains are used. Cutting the Epping branch in the peaks needs to be avoided due to no other alternative rail options being very close. You could make minor cuts to the Ruislip, Ealing and Hainault branches. A 30 minute service is far to drastic of a cut from a 9tph service. I dont think the 4 car train thing would make much of a difference really and operationally would probably cause issues if any of the two trains have a issue , and 2 trains an hour works at Amersham and Chesham so would most definitely work for the Epping branch and the loop I think drastic measures are needed to keep the core of the route maintained outside of peaks , the good thing is Crossrail is now running which relieves it to a degree but with the Jubilee issues and the Bakerloo soon going to be in a predicament it's hard not too see tfl in a managed decline plus the funding is up for review again in March .
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 11, 2023 9:56:52 GMT
It’s all well and good cutting services in the off-peak, but it’s the peak that matters, that’s when the most trains are used. Cutting the Epping branch in the peaks needs to be avoided due to no other alternative rail options being very close. You could make minor cuts to the Ruislip, Ealing and Hainault branches. A 30 minute service is far to drastic of a cut from a 9tph service. I dont think the 4 car train thing would make much of a difference really and operationally would probably cause issues if any of the two trains have a issue , and 2 trains an hour works at Amersham and Chesham so would most definitely work for the Epping branch and the loop I think drastic measures are needed to keep the core of the route maintained outside of peaks , the good thing is Crossrail is now running which relieves it to a degree but with the Jubilee issues and the Bakerloo soon going to be in a predicament it's hard not too see tfl in a managed decline plus the funding is up for review again in March . Perhaps beyond Loughton could drop to every 20 mins and Woodford to Hainault to every 30 mins in order to still maintain a good service through the central section as it definitely seems everyday now I'm hearing 'running with delays due to non availability of trains'.
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Post by Green Kitten on Dec 11, 2023 12:06:18 GMT
It’s all well and good cutting services in the off-peak, but it’s the peak that matters, that’s when the most trains are used. Cutting the Epping branch in the peaks needs to be avoided due to no other alternative rail options being very close. You could make minor cuts to the Ruislip, Ealing and Hainault branches. A 30 minute service is far to drastic of a cut from a 9tph service. I dont think the 4 car train thing would make much of a difference really and operationally would probably cause issues if any of the two trains have a issue , and 2 trains an hour works at Amersham and Chesham so would most definitely work for the Epping branch and the loop I think drastic measures are needed to keep the core of the route maintained outside of peaks , the good thing is Crossrail is now running which relieves it to a degree but with the Jubilee issues and the Bakerloo soon going to be in a predicament it's hard not too see tfl in a managed decline plus the funding is up for review again in March . If you keep the current frequency off-peak to Woodford (12tph) and cut down to 2ph to Epping, where would you propose the 10tph reverses?
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 11, 2023 12:31:21 GMT
I dont think the 4 car train thing would make much of a difference really and operationally would probably cause issues if any of the two trains have a issue , and 2 trains an hour works at Amersham and Chesham so would most definitely work for the Epping branch and the loop I think drastic measures are needed to keep the core of the route maintained outside of peaks , the good thing is Crossrail is now running which relieves it to a degree but with the Jubilee issues and the Bakerloo soon going to be in a predicament it's hard not too see tfl in a managed decline plus the funding is up for review again in March . If you keep the current frequency off-peak to Woodford (12tph) and cut down to 2ph to Epping, where would you propose the 10tph reverses? I would not cut quite so drastically - maybe 4tph to Hainault via Woodford, 4tph to Loughton only and 4tph through to Epping.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 11, 2023 12:46:59 GMT
It’s all well and good cutting services in the off-peak, but it’s the peak that matters, that’s when the most trains are used. Cutting the Epping branch in the peaks needs to be avoided due to no other alternative rail options being very close. You could make minor cuts to the Ruislip, Ealing and Hainault branches. A 30 minute service is far to drastic of a cut from a 9tph service. I dont think the 4 car train thing would make much of a difference really and operationally would probably cause issues if any of the two trains have a issue , and 2 trains an hour works at Amersham and Chesham so would most definitely work for the Epping branch and the loop I think drastic measures are needed to keep the core of the route maintained outside of peaks , the good thing is Crossrail is now running which relieves it to a degree but with the Jubilee issues and the Bakerloo soon going to be in a predicament it's hard not too see tfl in a managed decline plus the funding is up for review again in March . I’m not sure that’s a fair comparison - I could be wrong but I imagine more people go to & from Epping than Chesham whilst Amersham has Chiltern services as well as the Metropolitan
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 11, 2023 13:03:13 GMT
I dont think the 4 car train thing would make much of a difference really and operationally would probably cause issues if any of the two trains have a issue , and 2 trains an hour works at Amersham and Chesham so would most definitely work for the Epping branch and the loop I think drastic measures are needed to keep the core of the route maintained outside of peaks , the good thing is Crossrail is now running which relieves it to a degree but with the Jubilee issues and the Bakerloo soon going to be in a predicament it's hard not too see tfl in a managed decline plus the funding is up for review again in March . I’m not sure that’s a fair comparison - I could be wrong but I imagine more people go to & from Epping than Chesham whilst Amersham has Chiltern services as well as the Metropolitan I would say Epping would have more all day demand to it then Amersham/Chesham particularly with Westfield attracting demand from Essex whereas Amersham/Chesham is far more commuter orientated hence why really LU were able to get away with just the fast trains in one direction in the peaks. I might be wrong but I think iv read that those fast trains account for 70% of demand on the outer section.
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Post by joefrombow on Dec 11, 2023 13:57:00 GMT
If you keep the current frequency off-peak to Woodford (12tph) and cut down to 2ph to Epping, where would you propose the 10tph reverses? I would not cut quite so drastically - maybe 4tph to Hainault via Woodford, 4tph to Loughton only and 4tph through to Epping. Hainault via Woodford only gets 3tph at present I believe , I don't think 2tph would be a issue at all in the slightest and maybe 3 tph to Epping 6 to Loughton and then so on and so forth but surely a 8 carriage 3tph on a Tuesday morning at 11.00 in Epping is better than a 10 minute gap at the same time at Oxford Circus ? But whatever happens a complete rewrite of the timetable if only temporarily is needed , just had a look now and minor delays is showing and a 10 min gap is showing at Oxford Circus with only 1 Hainault via Newbury pk train showing for the next 30 minutes .
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Post by joefrombow on Dec 11, 2023 14:04:48 GMT
I dont think the 4 car train thing would make much of a difference really and operationally would probably cause issues if any of the two trains have a issue , and 2 trains an hour works at Amersham and Chesham so would most definitely work for the Epping branch and the loop I think drastic measures are needed to keep the core of the route maintained outside of peaks , the good thing is Crossrail is now running which relieves it to a degree but with the Jubilee issues and the Bakerloo soon going to be in a predicament it's hard not too see tfl in a managed decline plus the funding is up for review again in March . If you keep the current frequency off-peak to Woodford (12tph) and cut down to 2ph to Epping, where would you propose the 10tph reverses? Woodford , Loughton & Debden ? And maybe 2 tph is a bit drastic but you get the jist , 8 carriage trains carrying fresh air is ridiculous when you have overcrowding in the City Centre
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 11, 2023 14:06:28 GMT
I would not cut quite so drastically - maybe 4tph to Hainault via Woodford, 4tph to Loughton only and 4tph through to Epping. Hainault via Woodford only gets 3tph at present I believe , I don't think 2tph would be a issue at all in the slightest and maybe 3 tph to Epping 6 to Loughton and then so on and so forth but surely a 8 carriage 3tph on a Tuesday morning at 11.00 in Epping is better than a 10 minute gap at the same time at Oxford Circus ? But whatever happens a complete rewrite of the timetable if only temporarily is needed , just had a look now and minor delays is showing and a 10 min gap is showing at Oxford Circus with only 1 Hainault via Newbury pk train showing for the next 30 minutes . Could even cut the Ealing Broadway service to every 15 mins now that the Elizabeath line is pretty frequent on that section to Bond Street/TCR and Lpool St and I'm sure 4tph would be sufficient to West Acton and use the spare for a couple more North Acton to Leytonstone/Newbury Park services.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 11, 2023 15:06:36 GMT
If you keep the current frequency off-peak to Woodford (12tph) and cut down to 2ph to Epping, where would you propose the 10tph reverses? Woodford , Loughton & Debden ? And maybe 2 tph is a bit drastic but you get the jist , 8 carriage trains carrying fresh air is ridiculous when you have overcrowding in the City Centre Really? At times in the peak they are very busy
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 13, 2023 8:37:57 GMT
If you keep the current frequency off-peak to Woodford (12tph) and cut down to 2ph to Epping, where would you propose the 10tph reverses? Woodford , Loughton & Debden ? And maybe 2 tph is a bit drastic but you get the jist , 8 carriage trains carrying fresh air is ridiculous when you have overcrowding in the City Centre Severe delays this morning between White City and Ealing Broadway/West Ruislip and Leytonstone and Hainault and Woodford and Epping. Minor delays on rest. It would seem the central area is getting the trains today and extremities a reduced freq as people have suggested might work better if less trains are available.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 13, 2023 10:56:22 GMT
Woodford , Loughton & Debden ? And maybe 2 tph is a bit drastic but you get the jist , 8 carriage trains carrying fresh air is ridiculous when you have overcrowding in the City Centre Severe delays this morning between White City and Ealing Broadway/West Ruislip and Leytonstone and Hainault and Woodford and Epping. Minor delays on rest. It would seem the central area is getting the trains today and extremities a reduced freq as people have suggested might work better if less trains are available. The service problems seemed to be between North Acton, Ealing Broadway and West Ruislip and also between Leytonstone, Hainault, Woodford and Epping owing to shortages of trains.
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Post by joefrombow on Dec 13, 2023 14:47:23 GMT
Severe delays this morning between White City and Ealing Broadway/West Ruislip and Leytonstone and Hainault and Woodford and Epping. Minor delays on rest. It would seem the central area is getting the trains today and extremities a reduced freq as people have suggested might work better if less trains are available. The service problems seemed to be between North Acton, Ealing Broadway and West Ruislip and also between Leytonstone, Hainault, Woodford and Epping owing to shortages of trains. Common sense seems to be prevailing however in all honesty think a timetable rewrite is needed so they can stop with the minor delays/severe delays everyday it's not ideal but better than current situation and also if you know your train is 3/4ph instead of the usual 8ph you can plan for it , also see Piccadilly is showing shortage of trains luckily Elizabeth line covers the Heathrow section of that but worrying times either way .
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 13, 2023 23:39:23 GMT
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