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Post by vjaska on Dec 22, 2017 0:32:30 GMT
Hi all, I thought I’d start a thread about all the routes that cannot possibly run with double deckers. The purpose is to help those with route ideas and whether or not they are suitable for the vehicles they want to use. I’m sure I’ll miss out some and get some wrong so bear with me but I’ll keep the list updated as more of your facts come in. Please feel free to use the thread as a debate too, just to keep it interesting but try keep the topic to single vs double deck as much as possible. Here we go!!! 33: Hammersmith Bridge. 39: Roads around Southfields. 46: ? I assume this CAN be decked? 72: Hammersmith Bridge 84: ? I think this one can run with deckers 100: Shadwell (?) 108: Blackwall Tunnel 117: Low bridge St. John’s Road, Isleworth 124: Small roads? Where? 130: Bridge Weight restriction? 146: Small roads? Where? 153: Small roads? Where? 162: Small roads? Where? 167: Any low bridges or tight turns? 170: Low bridge Lombard Road, Battersea 187: ? 192: Small roads? Where? 193: Small roads? Where? 206: Queens Park area Roads? 209: Hammersmith Bridge 223: The Avenue, Wembley? 224: ? 225: ? 226: Roads in Ealing? 227: ? 228: Low bridge Old Oak Common Lane, East Acton 232: St. Raphael’s Estate? 233: ? 234: ? 235: Sunbury? NBQ? 255: ? 272: Emlyn Road? Chiswick Grove Park Roads? 273: Small roads? Where? 284: ? 286: ? 288: ? 291: ? 298: ? 299: ? Plenty of help required obviously so let’s keep it fun! I’ll do 300+ later 39 Can accommodate double deckers as far as I'm aware 46 Can be double decked and has been in the past. Seems drivers are no longer trusted to negotiate the arched bridge at Kentish Town West. 124 Narrow roads North Downham estate. 130 Low bridge at Norwood Junction. Could be routed around it but would be time consuming and single deckers are adequate. 146 Narrow roads in Downe, has previously been RT/RM operated by not OPO double deckers. 162 Narrow roads Longlands area. 166 Trees between Chipstead Valley and Banstead. The 39 has low trees in Southfields that prevent it from being double decker - the double decker school route takes a slightly different routing in Southfields avoiding the trees. |
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Post by lwldriver on Dec 22, 2017 0:37:10 GMT
39 Can accommodate double deckers as far as I'm aware 46 Can be double decked and has been in the past. Seems drivers are no longer trusted to negotiate the arched bridge at Kentish Town West. 124 Narrow roads North Downham estate. 130 Low bridge at Norwood Junction. Could be routed around it but would be time consuming and single deckers are adequate. 146 Narrow roads in Downe, has previously been RT/RM operated by not OPO double deckers. 162 Narrow roads Longlands area. 166 Trees between Chipstead Valley and Banstead. The 39 has low trees in Southfields that prevent it from being double decker - the double decker school route takes a slightly different routing in Southfields avoiding the trees. Ah ha I see one of my routes mentioned, the 130 can't because of the Portland Road low bridge. The loading are quite light also. 484 can't because of trees in the Hilly Fields area. P13 can't because of trees and tight sections on routes 162 does not serve Longlands area, I should know as I live there. The area restricting it is a small section of the Edgebury estate. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 22, 2017 0:41:38 GMT
Hi all, I thought I’d start a thread about all the routes that cannot possibly run with double deckers. The purpose is to help those with route ideas and whether or not they are suitable for the vehicles they want to use. I’m sure I’ll miss out some and get some wrong so bear with me but I’ll keep the list updated as more of your facts come in. Please feel free to use the thread as a debate too, just to keep it interesting but try keep the topic to single vs double deck as much as possible. Here we go!!! 33: Hammersmith Bridge. 39: Roads around Southfields. 46: ? I assume this CAN be decked? 72: Hammersmith Bridge 84: ? I think this one can run with deckers 100: Shadwell (?) 108: Blackwall Tunnel 117: Low bridge St. John’s Road, Isleworth 124: Small roads? Where? 130: Bridge Weight restriction? 146: Small roads? Where? 153: Small roads? Where? 162: Small roads? Where? 167: Any low bridges or tight turns? 170: Low bridge Lombard Road, Battersea 187: ? 192: Small roads? Where? 193: Small roads? Where? 206: Queens Park area Roads? 209: Hammersmith Bridge 223: The Avenue, Wembley? 224: ? 225: ? 226: Roads in Ealing? 227: ? 228: Low bridge Old Oak Common Lane, East Acton 232: St. Raphael’s Estate? 233: ? 234: ? 235: Sunbury? NBQ? 255: ? 272: Emlyn Road? Chiswick Grove Park Roads? 273: Small roads? Where? 284: ? 286: ? 288: ? 291: ? 298: ? 299: ? Plenty of help required obviously so let’s keep it fun! I’ll do 300+ later The 130 has no weight restriction - just the aforementioned low bridge at Norwood Junction. Woodside Bridge was fixed a few years back and the 312 sees double deckers over the bridge quite often. The 255 can't use deckers due to narrow small roads in the Clapham Park area - Radbourne Road in particular. The turn from Old Devonshire Road into Balham High Road is also potentially a possible cause as well due to how tight it is. The 284 doesn't have an obvious one other than the small roads in Ladywell and at Grove Park. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 22, 2017 0:44:36 GMT
The 39 has low trees in Southfields that prevent it from being double decker - the double decker school route takes a slightly different routing in Southfields avoiding the trees. Ah ha I see one of my routes mentioned, the 130 can't because of the Portland Road low bridge. The loading are quite light also. 484 can't because of trees in the Hilly Fields area. P13 can't because of trees and tight sections on routes 162 does not serve Longlands area, I should know as I live there. The area restricting it is a small section of the Edgebury estate. Indeed, the Edgebury Estate is the offending section for the 162 - I believe it's Dominic Drive in particular but not 100% sure so happy to be corrected. The P13's main culprit is the aforementioned low bridge on Thurlow Park Road at Tulse Hill as well as the trees & tight sections. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 22, 2017 0:51:47 GMT
Trees at St Raphael's have grown really low and that's what's hindering 232 at the moment. But route saw DDs in the past. Here's some random snippets from me: RV1: trees by Oxo Tower have grown massively, with low-hanging branches sometimes touching SD buses. Sadly DDs of the past are ruled out currently 236: just trees 521: Strand Underpass - but only in one direction! 394: small roads, low bridge (can't remember exactly where but near some Hackney college if I recall correctly) 276: low bridge near West Ham sadly 323: low bridge 488: low bridge at Homerton 465: trees in Mickleham area, wasn't always an issue 251: trees and posh residents I believe. Which are silly reasons tbh  331: low trees U2: trees and low hanging wires (that one that slipped out *just* made it) H13: low hanging wires I believe and some trees P5: a lot of low bridges! P13: low bridge near Tulse Hill and small roads. 201: affected by the same bridge as P13 goes under C10: low bridge unfortunately 143: a tighter road with Hail&Ride and nimbys... School shorts run though 184: same as above in all aspects 290: had DDs in the past but is unfortunate to be at SD-only garage 490: SD-only garage sadly, though decker tube strike extras have been known to run on it in the past 355: finally has some DD workings 507: look up a picture of an Oly on this  I'd pay big money for somebody to replicate this! 463 & 470 both can actually take a decker at a push, fun fact. I'm not sure the whole 463 can take a double decker - the school route that runs along doesn't serve all the 463 and there are some tight sections in Coulsdon & also around Pollards Hill if I'm not mistaken. I wonder if the P5 travels under the most low bridges out of any route - one on Thessaly Road on the Patmore Estate, one on Stewart's Road on the Patmore Estate, one on Bedford Road at Clapham North, one on Coldharbour Lane in Brixton & one on Loughborough Road at Loughborough Junction. Outside of those low bridges, it also travels under a further 4 bridges en route. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 22, 2017 1:00:02 GMT
108 - to be pedantic, it's just the Blackwall Tunnel northbound tunnel that prevents deckers as the southbound one has seen deckers run through before. Also, there is a low bridge on Carpenters Road as well.
322 - the small roads between Rosendale Road & Gipsy Road prevent double deckers.
P4 - the residents of Dulwich Village and some low trees somewhere are the only obstacles here.
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Post by Whitherminter on Dec 22, 2017 1:03:09 GMT
Hi all, I thought I’d start a thread about all the routes that cannot possibly run with double deckers. The purpose is to help those with route ideas and whether or not they are suitable for the vehicles they want to use. I’m sure I’ll miss out some and get some wrong so bear with me but I’ll keep the list updated as more of your facts come in. Please feel free to use the thread as a debate too, just to keep it interesting but try keep the topic to single vs double deck as much as possible. Here we go!!! 33: Hammersmith Bridge. 39: Roads around Southfields. 46: ? I assume this CAN be decked? 72: Hammersmith Bridge 84: ? I think this one can run with deckers 100: Shadwell (?) 108: Blackwall Tunnel 117: Low bridge St. John’s Road, Isleworth 124: Small roads? Where? 130: Bridge Weight restriction? 146: Small roads? Where? 153: Small roads? Where? 162: Small roads? Where? 167: Any low bridges or tight turns? 170: Low bridge Lombard Road, Battersea 187: ? 192: Small roads? Where? 193: Small roads? Where? 206: Queens Park area Roads? 209: Hammersmith Bridge 223: The Avenue, Wembley? 224: ? 225: ? 226: Roads in Ealing? 227: ? 228: Low bridge Old Oak Common Lane, East Acton 232: St. Raphael’s Estate? 233: ? 234: ? 235: Sunbury? NBQ? 255: ? 272: Emlyn Road? Chiswick Grove Park Roads? 273: Small roads? Where? 284: ? 286: ? 288: ? 291: ? 298: ? 299: ? Plenty of help required obviously so let’s keep it fun! I’ll do 300+ later The 130 has no weight restriction - just the aforementioned low bridge at Norwood Junction. Woodside Bridge was fixed a few years back and the 312 sees double deckers over the bridge quite often. The 255 can't use deckers due to narrow small roads in the Clapham Park area - Radbourne Road in particular. The turn from Old Devonshire Road into Balham High Road is also potentially a possible cause as well due to how tight it is. The 284 doesn't have an obvious one other than the small roads in Ladywell and at Grove Park. With the 284, IIRC it's because of a low bridge in between Catford & Ladywell (not the bridge at Catford but on Bexhill Road). |
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Post by YY13VKP on Dec 22, 2017 1:09:13 GMT
Route 434 cannot take double deckers due to low trees, small roads, parked cars along the route and a tight turning into Ridgemount Avenue.
Route 404 can’t take double deckers due to tight turns and low trees.
Route 455 can’t take double deckers due to a low Bridge at Reedham Station.
Route K1 can’t take double deckers due to tight turnings and narrow roads between Tolworth and Malden Manor Station
Im sure I’ll be able to think of more as they come back to me
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 1:12:34 GMT
Route 434 cannot take double deckers due to low trees, small roads, parked cars along the route and a right turning into Ridgemount Avenue. Route 404 can’t take double deckers due to tight turns and low trees. Route 455 can’t take double deckers due to a low Bridge at Reedham Station. I bet you know nothing about the 434 lol ;-) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 2:46:56 GMT
Updated as couldn’t sleep. Removed: 39: issue around Southfields appears to be around Beaumont Road and is a one way stretch... trees on that side look okay although they may be a little low across the road toward the A3? 46: arch bridge shouldn’t be a problem if signs direct drivers of large vehicles adequately 153 187 206 232 according to google maps the trees don’t look bad, if they are trimmed as suggested in the images deckers should be able to run with foliage management 235 286 288 291 298 RandomBusesGirl could you elaborate on the areas affecting 201, 236 and 251 please so I can check? Don’t need specifics but the general areas would be great so I can investigate. Thanks! |
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Post by M1104 on Dec 22, 2017 3:03:19 GMT
The P13's main culprit is the aforementioned low bridge on Thurlow Park Road at Tulse Hill That same bridge is the only culprit preventing the 201 |
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Post by lwldriver on Dec 22, 2017 3:07:23 GMT
Ah ha I see one of my routes mentioned, the 130 can't because of the Portland Road low bridge. The loading are quite light also. 484 can't because of trees in the Hilly Fields area. P13 can't because of trees and tight sections on routes 162 does not serve Longlands area, I should know as I live there. The area restricting it is a small section of the Edgebury estate. Indeed, the Edgebury Estate is the offending section for the 162 - I believe it's Dominic Drive in particular but not 100% sure so happy to be corrected. The P13's main culprit is the aforementioned low bridge on Thurlow Park Road at Tulse Hill as well as the trees & tight sections. You will laugh at how I never mentioned the Thurlow Park Road bridge for the P13, wouldn't think I'd actually been driving it today would you aha |
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Post by lwldriver on Dec 22, 2017 3:12:03 GMT
Hi all, I thought I’d start a thread about all the routes that cannot possibly run with double deckers. The purpose is to help those with route ideas and whether or not they are suitable for the vehicles they want to use. I’m sure I’ll miss out some and get some wrong so bear with me but I’ll keep the list updated as more of your facts come in. Please feel free to use the thread as a debate too, just to keep it interesting but try keep the topic to single vs double deck as much as possible. Here we go!!! 33: Weight restriction Hammersmith Bridge. 72: Weight restriction Hammersmith Bridge 108: Blackwall Tunnel northbound 117: Low bridge St. John’s Road, Isleworth 124: Small roads and tight turns in Downham 130: Low bridge Portland Road, Norwood Junction 146: Narrow lanes, trees and limited passing places High Street, Downe 162: Turns between Domonic Drive and Molescroft, New Eltham 167: Low bridge Roding Road, Loughton 170: Low bridge Lombard Road, Battersea 192: TIght turnaround roads at Little Park Gardens, Enfield 193: Small roads? Where? 209: Weight restriction Hammersmith Bridge 223: Narrow road with limited passing places The Avenue, Wembley? 225: Low bridges Sanford Street and Surrey Canal Road, New Cross 226: Low bridge Twyford Abbey Road, Hanger Lane 227: Low bridge Bromley Road, Shortlands 228: Low bridge Old Oak Common Lane, East Acton 233: ? 234: ? 255: Narrow lanes with limited passing places Old Devonshire Road, Clapham Park 272: Low bridge Fishers Lane, Acton Green 276: Low bridge Manor Road, West Ham 284: Low bridge Bexhill Road, Catford 299: ? Plenty of help required obviously so let’s keep it fun! I’ll do 300+ later 233: The only part preventing DD is the area around Northview/White Oak in Swanley. The route has seen deckers before even I have with my own eyes. |
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Post by lwldriver on Dec 22, 2017 3:15:34 GMT
Trees at St Raphael's have grown really low and that's what's hindering 232 at the moment. But route saw DDs in the past. Here's some random snippets from me: RV1: trees by Oxo Tower have grown massively, with low-hanging branches sometimes touching SD buses. Sadly DDs of the past are ruled out currently 236: just trees 521: Strand Underpass - but only in one direction! 394: small roads, low bridge (can't remember exactly where but near some Hackney college if I recall correctly) 276: low bridge near West Ham sadly 323: low bridge 488: low bridge at Homerton 465: trees in Mickleham area, wasn't always an issue 251: trees and posh residents I believe. Which are silly reasons tbh 331: low trees U2: trees and low hanging wires (that one that slipped out *just* made it) H13: low hanging wires I believe and some trees P5: a lot of low bridges! P13: low bridge near Tulse Hill and small roads. 201: affected by the same bridge as P13 goes under C10: low bridge unfortunately 143: a tighter road with Hail&Ride and nimbys... School shorts run though 184: same as above in all aspects 290: had DDs in the past but is unfortunate to be at SD-only garage 490: SD-only garage sadly, though decker tube strike extras have been known to run on it in the past 355: finally has some DD workings 507: look up a picture of an Oly on this I'd pay big money for somebody to replicate this! 463 & 470 both can actually take a decker at a push, fun fact. C10: The low bridge mentioned can and often does take NIS DD's but as it's an arched bridge it isn't feasible to risk it, other than that it is low tree branches on Long lane that prevent it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 3:48:48 GMT
Attachment DeletedLooks like some of the traffic islands could do with narrowing as well 😂
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I'd pay big money for somebody to replicate this!
