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Post by COBO on Jun 10, 2023 1:11:19 GMT
Would this height be to low for double deckers?
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Post by vjaska on Jun 10, 2023 12:36:02 GMT
Would this height be to low for double deckers? Yes as full height double deckers nowadays are 14’6”
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Post by COBO on Jun 10, 2023 12:53:29 GMT
Would this height be to low for double deckers? Yes as full height double deckers nowadays are 14’6” Thanks.
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Post by busboy17 on Sept 11, 2023 11:16:35 GMT
Could the P12 not go down kimberley avenue instead of gibbons Road then couldn't it take DD?
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Post by COBO on Sept 19, 2023 21:22:03 GMT
Is it true the reason why the 218 can’t get double deckers is because of the road layout of Westfields Road, Northfields Road and Eastcield Road? I ask because what about roads could prevent dds?
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 19, 2023 21:53:41 GMT
I suppose what I was getting at was TfL were promoting the 312 as being run with clean and green electric buses and were in essence better for the environment than the buses they were replacing. The embarrassing part being that it's not a good look when those very buses are out of service for long periods and older, less environmentally friendly, buses are drafted in to ensure the service is maintained. And yes, I get your point that the everyday punters don't care what bus runs the route as long as it gets them home. Incidentally, when does the contract come up for the 312? Presumably new electrics would be ordered by whoever wins the contract? I'm not aware of TfL doing much promoting of the 312 and when the EMC's were introduced about 8 years ago I think it was very much a case of suck it and see and obviously electric buses have advanced considerably since then. The 312 was a perfect testbed being a short route that terminates at the garage so it was easy to switch buses around as required. I think the current contract has a few years left to run but I would imagine new buses will be ordered when it's retendered if Arriva retain it. There is a proposal to extend the 312 to Purley Old Lodge Lane but whether that will ever happen remains to be seen. I think it should be going ahead next year when the S2 starts though there has still been no mention other then the 439 and S2 now being awarded and the 455 has not been.
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Post by cardinal on Sept 20, 2023 6:28:29 GMT
Is it true the reason why the 218 can’t get double deckers is because of the road layout of Westfields Road, Northfields Road and Eastcield Road? I ask because what about roads could prevent dds? Would suggest the overhanging trees along those roads coupled with parking issues would make the use of DD impractical.
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 28, 2023 15:45:40 GMT
Is it true the reason why the 218 can’t get double deckers is because of the road layout of Westfields Road, Northfields Road and Eastcield Road? I ask because what about roads could prevent dds? I thought it was resident objection
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Sept 28, 2023 19:52:13 GMT
To the benefit of those who are not on the big Facebook groups: On Saturday after Orpington open day we took my double-decker WVL204 over entire length of 233, including Longlands Road and Northview Estate, and pleased to say we got around ok. Trees may have been lowish at the latter, but nothing too crazy, and with caution and slow speed it was fine. So 233 is definitely DD clear just for reference
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Sept 28, 2023 19:58:22 GMT
To the benefit of those who are not on the big Facebook groups: On Saturday after Orpington open day we took my double-decker WVL204 over entire length of 233, including Longlands Road and Northview Estate, and pleased to say we got around ok. Trees may have been lowish at the latter, but nothing too crazy, and with caution and slow speed it was fine. So 233 is definitely DD clear just for reference So it's not length restricted?!?! It uses 8.9m buses at the minute so quite surprising that a Gemini could navigate the route.
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 28, 2023 20:19:50 GMT
To the benefit of those who are not on the big Facebook groups: On Saturday after Orpington open day we took my double-decker WVL204 over entire length of 233, including Longlands Road and Northview Estate, and pleased to say we got around ok. Trees may have been lowish at the latter, but nothing too crazy, and with caution and slow speed it was fine. So 233 is definitely DD clear just for reference The last time a double decker worked the 233 in service was before DT won it in 2008. 486
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Post by busoccultation on Sept 28, 2023 20:29:26 GMT
To the benefit of those who are not on the big Facebook groups: On Saturday after Orpington open day we took my double-decker WVL204 over entire length of 233, including Longlands Road and Northview Estate, and pleased to say we got around ok. Trees may have been lowish at the latter, but nothing too crazy, and with caution and slow speed it was fine. So 233 is definitely DD clear just for reference So it's not length restricted?!?! It uses 8.9m buses at the minute so quite surprising that a Gemini could navigate the route. Nope, 233 uses every single E200 length at MB which means the 8.9m, 9.7m, 10.2m and 10.8m variants are all regularly used on the 233. The R2 is another MB route that uses all lengths of the E200's based there.
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Sept 28, 2023 21:11:50 GMT
So it's not length restricted?!?! It uses 8.9m buses at the minute so quite surprising that a Gemini could navigate the route. Indeed as busoccultation says, all length E200s regularly work the route. 10.8m may be a bit tighter but still regularly happen, and the WVL is actually shorter than those at 10.05m long. The small midibus allocation is a leftover from some old agreement on the H&R section. I seriously hope it won't be enforced over the new contract given how busy the route is nowadays!
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Post by redexpress on Sept 29, 2023 10:49:55 GMT
So it's not length restricted?!?! It uses 8.9m buses at the minute so quite surprising that a Gemini could navigate the route. Indeed as busoccultation says, all length E200s regularly work the route. 10.8m may be a bit tighter but still regularly happen, and the WVL is actually shorter than those at 10.05m long. The small midibus allocation is a leftover from some old agreement on the H&R section. I seriously hope it won't be enforced over the new contract given how busy the route is nowadays! Yes that was the old trick to placate residents who protested against bus services down new bits of road - promise to use the smallest possible buses to minimise disruption. The same trick was pulled with the 324, which had 10.2m buses ordered and delivered for the route, but eventually had to be introduced with 9m buses. Thankfully that "restriction" was very quickly forgotten and the 324 gained bigger buses within a few years.
The 233 agreement is much older than that (1998 I think) so if we keep quiet hopefully no-one will remember it
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Post by londonbuses on Nov 1, 2023 14:14:59 GMT
Can the R11 take double deckers?
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