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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 9, 2018 23:41:16 GMT
Well, might aswell have a little look at services within Havering and see what happens from this 😂😂 296 - leave as is. Weekend night service withdrawn Actually, based on patronage levels, this one like in the either top 5 or 8 most used weekend routes, so not the best call! I would also double-deck it, and get rid of 396 - could instead introduce a double run via the hospital - it's a hospital so ought to get away with that It can take 30min+ sometimes to just get from the Hospital to the A12 so if you do that to the 296 you'd completely destroy its usability. It's the whole reason the 396 exists in the first place, personally I'd extend the 396 to Seven Kings however TfL's budget is a comedy show at the moment. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 10, 2018 1:33:46 GMT
Right, let's try one for Brixton though I must stress, I do not want these to happen at all:
2 - Monday-Friday frequency reduced to every 10 minutes, Sunday frequency reduced to every 12 minutes whilst evenings remain every 12 minutes
3 - Monday-Friday frequency reduced to every 10 minutes whilst Sundays & evenings remain every 12 minutes. Curtailed permanently to Trafalgar Square (with some actual Trafalgar Square blinds fitted)
35 - Leave as it is
37 - Leave as it is
45 - Leave as it is
59 - Monday-Friday frequency reduced to every 8 minutes whilst Sundays & evenings remain every 12 minutes
109 - Leave as it is
118 - Leave as it is
133 - Monday-Friday frequency reduced to every 10 minutes, Sundays remain every 12 minutes whilst evening frequency is every 12 minutes throughout the entire evening (currently early evenings is every 8 minutes)
159 - Monday-Friday frequency reduced to every 8 minutes whilst Sundays & evenings remain every 12 minutes
196 - Leave as it is
250 - Monday-Friday frequency reduced to every 10 minutes whilst Sundays & evenings remain every 12 minutes
322 - Leave as it is
333 - Monday-Friday frequency reduced to every 12 minutes whilst Sundays & evenings reduced to every 15 minutes
345 - Monday-Friday frequency reduced to every 10 minutes whilst Sundays & evenings remain every 12 minutes
355 - Leave as it is
415 - Withdrawn completely (not something I took lightly, believe me)
432 - Extended to Old Kent Road, Tesco in place of the 415. Monday-Friday frequency increased to every 10 minutes whilst Sundays & evenings increased to every 12 minutes
P4 - Leave as it is
P5 - Monday-Friday frequency reduced to every 20 minutes whilst Sundays & evenings reduced to every 30 minutes. Sunday hours restricted to 8:00am to 18:00pm but longer dual door buses introduced daily.
690 - Withdrawn without replacement
N2 - Weekend frequency reduced to every 30 minutes
N3 - Weekend frequency reduced to every 30 minutes
35 Night - Leave as it is
37 Night - Leave as it is
N109 - Weekend frequency reduced to every 30 minutes
N133 - Frequency reduced Monday-Sunday to every 30 minutes
159 Night - Frequency reduced Monday-Sunday to every 30 minutes
250 Night - Leave as it is
345 Night - Leave as it is
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Post by ​galwhv69 on Feb 10, 2018 12:14:15 GMT
Right, let's try one for Brixton though I must stress, I do not want these to happen at all:
690 - Withdrawn without replacement
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Post by M1104 on Feb 10, 2018 12:28:50 GMT
Right, let's try one for Brixton though I must stress, I do not want these to happen at all: N109 - Weekend frequency reduced to every 30 minutes 159 Night - Frequency reduced Monday-Sunday to every 30 minutes I would suggest amalgamating the 'night' 159 and N109 into one route. With Oxford Street said to start its closures from September the 1st the 159 will be cut back to Oxford Circus, its night element in essence being short working versions of the N109. |
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 10, 2018 12:30:21 GMT
Right, let's try one for Brixton though I must stress, I do not want these to happen at all:
690 - Withdrawn without replacement
No ,where will those VLA's go? They will be gone anyhow once the N T refurb programme is complete |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 10, 2018 12:33:57 GMT
Right, let's try one for Brixton though I must stress, I do not want these to happen at all:
690 - Withdrawn without replacement
No ,where will those VLA's go? They're apparently due to go once the T refurbs at N are finished as T82 & T83 are meant to become the allocation. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 10, 2018 12:35:23 GMT
Right, let's try one for Brixton though I must stress, I do not want these to happen at all: N109 - Weekend frequency reduced to every 30 minutes 159 Night - Frequency reduced Monday-Sunday to every 30 minutes I would suggest amalgamating the 'night' 159 and N109 into one route. With Oxford Street said to start its closures from September the 1st the 159 will be cut back to Oxford Circus, its night element in essence being short working versions of the N109. I was thinking about that but was on the fence - certainly a good shout. Had this thread not been about cuts, I'd of reintroduced the N159 instead. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 14:39:25 GMT
Are two Croydon to Brixton routes really vital?
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Post by M1104 on Feb 10, 2018 15:39:52 GMT
Are two Croydon to Brixton routes really vital? As the 250 is the only bus that goes along the full length of heavily residential Green Lane I'd say it's vital for the direct connections to rail services and retails at Brixton[1], Streatham and Croydon. Same logic for the 109 through Norbury. [1] - tube in particular for Central London and beyond |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 10, 2018 16:52:26 GMT
Are two Croydon to Brixton routes really vital? Beware the error of comparing origin and destination and not considering intermediate points served. Brixton and Streatham have extremely high levels of bus usage so it is no surprise there are multiple routes and overlaps. Croydon is also a major transport hub and an employment centre. Again no surprise that it is served by several routes across multiple corridors. London's suburbs aren't the equivalent of some provincial little town where one or two core routes with no service down side roads or into different areas will suffice. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 10, 2018 17:18:25 GMT
Are two Croydon to Brixton routes really vital? Absolutely vital because the already busy 109 would be horrendous to use given it’s already very busy currently. You only have to see the two routes during the peaks to see how much it’s needed because being the direct route, the 109 fills up super quick so the 250 then takes the rest plus the big demand from Brigstock Road & Thornton Heath into Streatham & Brixton - lots of end to end journeys occur on both the 109 & 250 which further showcase how vital they are. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 17:39:39 GMT
I see thanks I wasn't sure.
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Post by sid on Feb 10, 2018 18:53:01 GMT
Are two Croydon to Brixton routes really vital? I don't know about vital but the 250 serves a different function. You could also question whether four routes are needed between Sydenham and Croydon but again they all serve different functions. I suppose we could go back to the 159 going to Thornton Heath Clock Tower and put another route along Brigstock Road (the 64?) but I don't think Green Lane and Parchmore Road passengers would want to lose their direct link to Croydon. Probably best leaving things as they are in this instance. |
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Post by sid on Feb 10, 2018 19:00:40 GMT
I've only just realised that the reduction on the RV1 commenced today, makes it even more alarming that I saw an RV1 going over Waterloo Bridge completely devoid of passengers about midday today. Can't help feeling that the writing is on the wall for this route?
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Post by vjaska on Feb 10, 2018 19:12:44 GMT
Are two Croydon to Brixton routes really vital? I don't know about vital but the 250 serves a different function. You could also question whether four routes are needed between Sydenham and Croydon but again they all serve different functions. I suppose we could go back to the 159 going to Thornton Heath Clock Tower and put another route along Brigstock Road (the 64?) but I don't think Green Lane and Parchmore Road passengers would want to lose their direct link to Croydon. Probably best leaving things as they are in this instance. The 250 is vital because in breaking that through link in Thornton Heath, you run a massive risk of heaping further pressure onto the 109 and the 250 sees end to end journeys as well as the 109 so I don’t see the merits in extending the 159 to Thornton Heath especially as there isn’t much room for something so frequent to terminate nor do I see why you’d duplicate the 198 between Thornton Heath & East Croydon. |
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,where will those VLA's go?
