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Post by sid on Feb 20, 2018 5:40:29 GMT
I don’t because I’ll end up with a unreliable route as a result. Couldn’t agree more. I think things are best kept as they are, especially with the 157’s improved service under Arriva. What more could you want?? It's about making better use of resources, Crystal Palace to Anerley really doesn't need four routes. Why do you think things are best kept as they are? |
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 20, 2018 11:41:00 GMT
Couldn’t agree more. I think things are best kept as they are, especially with the 157’s improved service under Arriva. What more could you want?? It's about making better use of resources, Crystal Palace to Anerley really doesn't need four routes. Why do you think things are best kept as they are? It may have 4 routes but they come from different locations the 358 comes from Penge, Bromley & Orpington. The 249 & 432 terminate at Anerley that is the quietest section of those routes no need to cut them it is a useful terminus because Crystal Palace cannot hold everything. Extending the 432 to Norwood Junction doesn't achieve anything because the 157 is longer and goes to places where people want to go as well as assisting the 75. The only place I would extend the 432 is to Elmers End. The 157 however directly links Croydon from Anerley no other route does. It isn't underused or broken so doesn't need to be changed. |
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Post by sid on Feb 20, 2018 11:52:20 GMT
It's about making better use of resources, Crystal Palace to Anerley really doesn't need four routes. Why do you think things are best kept as they are? It may have 4 routes but they come from different locations the 358 comes from Penge, Bromley & Orpington. The 249 & 432 terminate at Anerley that is the quietest section of those routes no need to cut them it is a useful terminus because Crystal Palace cannot hold everything. Extending the 432 to Norwood Junction doesn't achieve anything because the 157 is longer and goes to places where people want to go as well as assisting the 75. The only place I would extend the 432 is to Elmers End. The 157 however directly links Croydon from Anerley no other route does. It isn't underused or broken so doesn't need to be changed. The idea is to take one of four routes from Anerley Hill and reroute it via South Norwood Hill. If the 432 went that way it would make for an awkward routing in Crystal Palace hence my suggestion of rerouting the 157 that way and merging the 432 with the 312 to provide some links that the unviable Tramlink extension would have provided. The 249 can be extended to Elmers End and the 75 covers Anerley lights to Croydon via Selhurst. |
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 20, 2018 12:05:09 GMT
It may have 4 routes but they come from different locations the 358 comes from Penge, Bromley & Orpington. The 249 & 432 terminate at Anerley that is the quietest section of those routes no need to cut them it is a useful terminus because Crystal Palace cannot hold everything. Extending the 432 to Norwood Junction doesn't achieve anything because the 157 is longer and goes to places where people want to go as well as assisting the 75. The only place I would extend the 432 is to Elmers End. The 157 however directly links Croydon from Anerley no other route does. It isn't underused or broken so doesn't need to be changed. The idea is to take one of four routes from Anerley Hill and reroute it via South Norwood Hill. If the 432 went that way it would make for an awkward routing in Crystal Palace hence my suggestion of rerouting the 157 that way and merging the 432 with the 312 to provide some links that the unviable Tramlink extension would have provided. The 249 can be extended to Elmers End and the 75 covers Anerley lights to Croydon via Selhurst. There isn’t any need though. South Norwood Hill is dead and already served by buses. The 249 is long enough and traffic prone so doesn’t need an extension. I see nothing wrong with the Anerley terminus it is right by the Station which is a bonus. It may be a quiet area but is busy. It just seems you are attacking Anerley in general and you seem to be the one always moaning about decline in bus usage. |
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Post by sid on Feb 20, 2018 12:24:09 GMT
The idea is to take one of four routes from Anerley Hill and reroute it via South Norwood Hill. If the 432 went that way it would make for an awkward routing in Crystal Palace hence my suggestion of rerouting the 157 that way and merging the 432 with the 312 to provide some links that the unviable Tramlink extension would have provided. The 249 can be extended to Elmers End and the 75 covers Anerley lights to Croydon via Selhurst. There isn’t any need though. South Norwood Hill is dead and already served by buses. The 249 is long enough and traffic prone so doesn’t need an extension. I see nothing wrong with the Anerley terminus it is right by the Station which is a bonus. It may be a quiet area but is busy. It just seems you are attacking Anerley in general and you seem to be the one always moaning about decline in bus usage. Well what a surprise, you're default setting is to disagree with everything. How am I attacking Anerley? How is South Norwood Hill dead? Neither claim makes any sense at all. I don't moan about the decline in bus usage, this thread is about where cuts should be made. This particular idea is about making better use of resources but clearly you're not interested. |
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 20, 2018 12:31:36 GMT
There isn’t any need though. South Norwood Hill is dead and already served by buses. The 249 is long enough and traffic prone so doesn’t need an extension. I see nothing wrong with the Anerley terminus it is right by the Station which is a bonus. It may be a quiet area but is busy. It just seems you are attacking Anerley in general and you seem to be the one always moaning about decline in bus usage. Well what a surprise, you're default setting is to disagree with everything. How am I attacking Anerley? How is South Norwood Hill dead? Neither claim makes any sense at all. I don't moan about the decline in bus usage, this thread is about where cuts should be made. This particular idea is about making better use of resources but clearly you're not interested. Not really but this Idea is isn’t necessary. Seriously, the other day you were moaning about stop closures and were trying to tie it up with bus decline filling threads with clutter like you usually do.  Removing the 157 discourages bus usage. Making better use of resources is not sending it via a South Norwood Hill which is dead. |
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Post by sid on Feb 20, 2018 12:50:12 GMT
Well what a surprise, you're default setting is to disagree with everything. How am I attacking Anerley? How is South Norwood Hill dead? Neither claim makes any sense at all. I don't moan about the decline in bus usage, this thread is about where cuts should be made. This particular idea is about making better use of resources but clearly you're not interested. Not really but this Idea is isn’t necessary. Seriously, the other day you were moaning about stop closures and were trying to tie it up with bus decline filling threads with clutter like you usually do. Removing the 157 discourages bus usage. Making better use of resources is not sending it via a South Norwood Hill which is dead. Ok you disagree.........let's leave it at that! Filling threads with clutter..........oh the irony ! |
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Post by paulsw2 on Feb 20, 2018 14:56:38 GMT
The idea is to take one of four routes from Anerley Hill and reroute it via South Norwood Hill. If the 432 went that way it would make for an awkward routing in Crystal Palace hence my suggestion of rerouting the 157 that way and merging the 432 with the 312 to provide some links that the unviable Tramlink extension would have provided. The 249 can be extended to Elmers End and the 75 covers Anerley lights to Croydon via Selhurst. There isn’t any need though. South Norwood Hill is dead and already served by buses. The 249 is long enough and traffic prone so doesn’t need an extension. I see nothing wrong with the Anerley terminus it is right by the Station which is a bonus. It may be a quiet area but is busy. It just seems you are attacking Anerley in general and you seem to be the one always moaning about decline in bus usage. There is already a route from Crystal Palace which serves Anerley Hill and South Norwood it is the 410 |
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Post by sid on Feb 20, 2018 15:02:46 GMT
There isn’t any need though. South Norwood Hill is dead and already served by buses. The 249 is long enough and traffic prone so doesn’t need an extension. I see nothing wrong with the Anerley terminus it is right by the Station which is a bonus. It may be a quiet area but is busy. It just seems you are attacking Anerley in general and you seem to be the one always moaning about decline in bus usage. There is already a route from Crystal Palace which serves Anerley Hill and South Norwood it is the 410 Indeed there is but I'm not sure how that is relevant? |
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Post by 725DYE on Feb 20, 2018 17:47:33 GMT
Couldn’t agree more. I think things are best kept as they are, especially with the 157’s improved service under Arriva. What more could you want?? It's about making better use of resources, Crystal Palace to Anerley really doesn't need four routes. Why do you think things are best kept as they are? The fact is that such a drastic change all at once would be too complicated for many people. The idea of public transport is that it should be easy to use and simple and to change so many routes at once is only going to be difficult for people to adapt to. And as I said before, theres nothing wrong right now...if it aint broke don't fix it  |
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Post by sid on Feb 20, 2018 18:27:10 GMT
It's about making better use of resources, Crystal Palace to Anerley really doesn't need four routes. Why do you think things are best kept as they are? The fact is that such a drastic change all at once would be too complicated for many people. The idea of public transport is that it should be easy to use and simple and to change so many routes at once is only going to be difficult for people to adapt to. And as I said before, theres nothing wrong right now...if it aint broke don't fix it It's hardly drastic and in case you haven't noticed it is broke which is why this thread is in existence. How is extending the 249 and 432 and rerouting the 157 too complicated? If you can come up with some constructive criticism then fine but there are too many nay sayers on here, if you're opposed to change per say this thread probably isn't for you. |
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Post by danorak on Feb 20, 2018 20:20:26 GMT
It's about making better use of resources, Crystal Palace to Anerley really doesn't need four routes. Why do you think things are best kept as they are? The fact is that such a drastic change all at once would be too complicated for many people. The idea of public transport is that it should be easy to use and simple and to change so many routes at once is only going to be difficult for people to adapt to. And as I said before, theres nothing wrong right now...if it aint broke don't fix it Leaving aside whether I agree with Sid's suggestion, I don't think this holds anymore in the current climate. Unfortunately it is broke, at least in financial terms, and TfL's pounds are going to have to work that bit harder. |
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Post by sid on Feb 21, 2018 0:01:09 GMT
The fact is that such a drastic change all at once would be too complicated for many people. The idea of public transport is that it should be easy to use and simple and to change so many routes at once is only going to be difficult for people to adapt to. And as I said before, theres nothing wrong right now...if it aint broke don't fix it Leaving aside whether I agree with Sid's suggestion, I don't think this holds anymore in the current climate. Unfortunately it is broke, at least in financial terms, and TfL's pounds are going to have to work that bit harder. Exactly it most certainly is broken and at the moment it's hard to see anything but a further decline in passenger numbers. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 21, 2018 1:18:30 GMT
The fact is that such a drastic change all at once would be too complicated for many people. The idea of public transport is that it should be easy to use and simple and to change so many routes at once is only going to be difficult for people to adapt to. And as I said before, theres nothing wrong right now...if it aint broke don't fix it Leaving aside whether I agree with Sid's suggestion, I don't think this holds anymore in the current climate. Unfortunately it is broke, at least in financial terms, and TfL's pounds are going to have to work that bit harder. Yes though you still have to be careful in terms of what you change - you can't just make cuts for the sake of it or you end up worsening situations even when considering the finances |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 10:57:48 GMT
Not for me  !
I'd withdraw the 157 , no I'm not planning to axe it just reroute it via Church Road and South Norwood Hill, extend the 432 from Anerley to Norwood Junction then replacing the 312 to Croydon using the 197 stand and I'd extend the 197 to South Croydon Garage where many go OOS for driver changeovers anyway. A few new links, and no significant ones lost, for very little outlay.
As for the 249 if it really cannot be accommodated in the bus station it would have to continue to Anerley but maybe make it a bit more useful by going the extra mile or so to Elmers End?
I really like that 432 idea. Sorry if I've stirred up a hornets nest here |
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Removing the 157 discourages bus usage. Making better use of resources is not sending it via a South Norwood Hill which is dead. 
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