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Post by sid on Feb 21, 2018 13:11:53 GMT
I really like that 432 idea. Sorry if I've stirred up a hornets nest here You've nothing to apologise for, we should all be able to speak freely without being shouted down by the naysayers who oppose everything with meaningless statements like "route x doesn't need to go to y" and suggesting certain areas are dead. It's actually Anerley Station that is dead and one of the least used stations on LO, hence no ticket gates and not fully staffed. It certainly doesn't justify four bus routes! |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 21, 2018 14:07:11 GMT
I really like that 432 idea. Sorry if I've stirred up a hornets nest here You've not done anything wrong and I don't think anyone has any issues with you or what your said even if they don't share the same opinion. |
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 21, 2018 16:34:31 GMT
On LBC they mentioned there will be no more road improvement schemes due to "lack of funding"... the cupboard is bare. He's blown the budget   |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Feb 21, 2018 16:42:10 GMT
I don't think Crystal Palace - Anerley bit is as bad as Leytonstone - Wanstead.
So we have the Central line...
And W13.
And 66.
And W14.
And 145!!!
I mean what on earth, yet Forest Gate and Leytonstone have no direct bus link!!
66 at least takes a different routing, via New Wanstead and Snaresbrook, so that's fair enough. W14 is all-through so better not to be tampered with.
W13 is an infrequent granny bus so I would therefore nominate the 145 to be curtailed to Wanstead. Just not sure if there's the stand space... :/
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 21, 2018 17:28:17 GMT
I don't think Crystal Palace - Anerley bit is as bad as Leytonstone - Wanstead. So we have the Central line... And W13. And 66. And W14. And 145!!! I mean what on earth, yet Forest Gate and Leytonstone have no direct bus link!! 66 at least takes a different routing, via New Wanstead and Snaresbrook, so that's fair enough. W14 is all-through so better not to be tampered with. W13 is an infrequent granny bus so I would therefore nominate the 145 to be curtailed to Wanstead. Just not sure if there's the stand space... :/ I wouldn't nominate the 145 to be curtailed to Wanstead, even though it parallels other routes it does provide the link from Ilford, Barking, Becontree and Dagenham to Leytonstone and that''s a very well used link. Even though that section seems like it's overbussed all the routes there do have their own crowd and provide their unique links. As for the Leytonstone to Forest Gate link I'm very surprised as to why that's not existed for many years, it's almost a simple around the corner type link that no route provides. The 58 manages to get to Leyton while the 308 manages to get to Wanstead but nothing makes it to Leytonstone  |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 21, 2018 18:41:43 GMT
I mean what on earth, yet Forest Gate and Leytonstone have no direct bus link!! But it does have the GOBLIN rail service - which is having £125m spent on it so don't expect a bus link to ever materialise. Furthermore the Ribbit ticket removes any incentive on TfL to provide new bus links - "just change buses". |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Feb 21, 2018 19:48:52 GMT
I mean what on earth, yet Forest Gate and Leytonstone have no direct bus link!! But it does have the GOBLIN rail service - which is having £125m spent on it so don't expect a bus link to ever materialise. Furthermore the Ribbit ticket removes any incentive on TfL to provide new bus links - "just change buses". A railway connection isn't the same as bus though. First of all the two GOBLIN stations aren't Step Free. People might also want to go to an intermediate point. And children would have to pay to use this link (I mainly mention this as back when I had a Zip Card, I would always choose the free bus over a paid train). Ribbit ticket - doing a 308 + W19 is painful, especially on weekend mornings when 308 is half hourly, and anytime after 8pm + sundays when it is every 20min. W19 isn't best either though much better than the previous 4bph. And for Leytonstone and Wanstead, as I said we have the Central line, which is also much higher frequency than the 4tph Goblin! So I dunno I think the Whipps Cross campaigners need to exploit the whole buses-to-hospitals mania |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 21, 2018 20:08:09 GMT
But it does have the GOBLIN rail service - which is having £125m spent on it so don't expect a bus link to ever materialise. Furthermore the Ribbit ticket removes any incentive on TfL to provide new bus links - "just change buses". A railway connection isn't the same as bus though. First of all the two GOBLIN stations aren't Step Free. People might also want to go to an intermediate point. And children would have to pay to use this link (I mainly mention this as back when I had a Zip Card, I would always choose the free bus over a paid train). Ribbit ticket - doing a 308 + W19 is painful, especially on weekend mornings when 308 is half hourly, and anytime after 8pm + sundays when it is every 20min. W19 isn't best either though much better than the previous 4bph. And for Leytonstone and Wanstead, as I said we have the Central line, which is also much higher frequency than the 4tph Goblin! So I dunno I think the Whipps Cross campaigners need to exploit the whole buses-to-hospitals mania Even though I think the link would be welcome you've answered this yourself, the primary users are likely to be kids and they have unlimited bus travel and are capable of changing buses. As for the Whipps Cross hospital link would that really be needed from Forest Gate? Most of Forest Gate is covered by Newham Hospital. |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Feb 21, 2018 20:11:29 GMT
As for the Whipps Cross hospital link would that really be needed from Forest Gate? Most of Forest Gate is covered by Newham Hospital. Actually it's about 50/50, Dad had his op at Whipps Cross, and I've been admitted to both hospitals in the past. So I'm rather sure that would be used. Also, W19 is well used between Leytonstone and Manor Park so I can't think why the FG link wouldn't be. I doubt it would be just kids, can think of many "average-aged" people utilise this too |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 21, 2018 20:15:56 GMT
As for the Whipps Cross hospital link would that really be needed from Forest Gate? Most of Forest Gate is covered by Newham Hospital. Actually it's about 50/50, Dad had his op at Whipps Cross, and I've been admitted to both hospitals in the past. So I'm rather sure that would be used. Also, W19 is well used between Leytonstone and Manor Park so I can't think why the FG link wouldn't be. I doubt it would be just kids, can think of many "average-aged" people utilise this too Fair point if some people get taken to Whipps Cross. I agree a link from Leytonstone to Forest Gate would be used but in today's environment I don't see TfL introducing a route like that when they can just tell people to use the hopper or the Goblin, and most of the time the Goblin costs the same as the bus anyway for adults. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 21, 2018 23:33:41 GMT
[ A railway connection isn't the same as bus though. First of all the two GOBLIN stations aren't Step Free. People might also want to go to an intermediate point. And children would have to pay to use this link (I mainly mention this as back when I had a Zip Card, I would always choose the free bus over a paid train). Ribbit ticket - doing a 308 + W19 is painful, especially on weekend mornings when 308 is half hourly, and anytime after 8pm + sundays when it is every 20min. W19 isn't best either though much better than the previous 4bph. And for Leytonstone and Wanstead, as I said we have the Central line, which is also much higher frequency than the 4tph Goblin! So I dunno I think the Whipps Cross campaigners need to exploit the whole buses-to-hospitals mania All fair enough but TfL's planning system will not prioritise the provision of new bus links that duplicate an existing rail service that is in the progress of receiving a very significant upgrade. You may well be entirely right about the possible prospects for a bus service but the process is weighted against it never mind the financial situation. The link into Whipps Cross Hospital is not featured in the TfL hospital services review. Without political clout behind the demand for a service nothing will happen. Epsom Gen Hosp may get the 470 despite having ludicrously low numbers of users / small catchment area because there has been a very vocal and long running campaign. Ditto over bus access to North Middlesex Hospital from Enfield. |
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Post by busaholic on Feb 22, 2018 0:02:25 GMT
Sorry if I've stirred up a hornets nest here You've nothing to apologise for, we should all be able to speak freely without being shouted down by the naysayers who oppose everything with meaningless statements like "route x doesn't need to go to y" and suggesting certain areas are dead. It's actually Anerley Station that is dead and one of the least used stations on LO, hence no ticket gates and not fully staffed. It certainly doesn't justify four bus routes! From my experience, there may well be more people returning to Anerley Station in the p.m. peak than travel from it in the morning, the reason being that a.m. may be a choice between going to Crystal Palace or Anerley, same service headway, but seats available at C.P. In the evening, just get on the first train to arrive that's not crushed and get off at which it takes you to - and plenty of those then get a bus for a stop or two or three up the hill too. |
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Post by sid on Feb 22, 2018 5:22:54 GMT
You've nothing to apologise for, we should all be able to speak freely without being shouted down by the naysayers who oppose everything with meaningless statements like "route x doesn't need to go to y" and suggesting certain areas are dead. It's actually Anerley Station that is dead and one of the least used stations on LO, hence no ticket gates and not fully staffed. It certainly doesn't justify four bus routes! From my experience, there may well be more people returning to Anerley Station in the p.m. peak than travel from it in the morning, the reason being that a.m. may be a choice between going to Crystal Palace or Anerley, same service headway, but seats available at C.P. In the evening, just get on the first train to arrive that's not crushed and get off at which it takes you to - and plenty of those then get a bus for a stop or two or three up the hill too. None the less four bus routes are excessive, by comparison the busier Gypsy Hill station is served by just one route. |
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Post by galwhv69 on Feb 22, 2018 12:28:52 GMT
From my experience, there may well be more people returning to Anerley Station in the p.m. peak than travel from it in the morning, the reason being that a.m. may be a choice between going to Crystal Palace or Anerley, same service headway, but seats available at C.P. In the evening, just get on the first train to arrive that's not crushed and get off at which it takes you to - and plenty of those then get a bus for a stop or two or three up the hill too. None the less four bus routes are excessive, by comparison the busier Gypsy Hill station is served by just one route. And to worsen the situation its ran with 8.9 metre buses due to restrictions that are often full to the brim |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 22, 2018 12:36:51 GMT
None the less four bus routes are excessive, by comparison the busier Gypsy Hill station is served by just one route. And to worsen the situation its ran with 8.9 metre buses due to restrictions that are often full to the brim Yes but shoving four routes down Gipsy Hill would be an example of overbussing unlike Anerley Hill & Anerley Road where the four routes that run between Crystal Palace & Anerley are there for a good reason. What should of happened at the last contract is upgraded it to 9.6m/9.7m dual door buses with a slight frequency increase rather than speccing the same inadequate length as the previous buses operated. |
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